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spongeBOB CATpants
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   Posted: 3/11/2020 7:57:46 AM 
. wrote:
When did real life become an episode of First Take?

Nobody cares what any of you think.


I mean this is a message board.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coronavirus and the conference tourneys?
   Posted: 3/11/2020 8:02:57 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Ted Thompson wrote:
OHSAA now family only. What am I missing about all of this?


As someone on the front lines so to speak, this is all coming down from the governors office. Remember two weeks ago he bagged the Arnold exposition, before any known cases in Ohio, and only a handful (less than 10) in the US. Organizations and schools have had very little choice in this matter when the governor calls a state of emergency and then strongly suggest that events be family only, what do you do?

As for Universities closing in person classes that’s just silly, the governor again is behind this. Dining halls and dorms will be open not to mention local establishments. These kids will be way more in contact on campus without in person classes than they ever were going to be sitting in Bentley Hall.


My daughter is playing in an AAU basketball tournament in Ohio this weekend. Columbus Blue Jackets will play in front of fans. Schools, churches, work continue. Just seems like we are cherry-picking athletics. If you need to shut EVERYTHING down, OK. But this just seems ineffective and nonsensical.


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   Posted: 3/11/2020 8:09:04 AM 
Read this before being so quick to scoff or get mad about a hoops tournament. And before you impugn the source, this is from a conservative Rupert Murdoch-owned publication.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/10/italian-doctor-at-heart-of-... /
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coronavirus and the conference tourneys?
   Posted: 3/11/2020 8:15:38 AM 
rpbobcat wrote:
To me this is a perfect example of "over hyping" when it comes to Coronavirus.

New Jersey just reported its first death from Coronavirus.

I work with the town where the man lived.

I was at a meeting there last night.

Yes,he tested positive for Corona.

But,he had emphysema,hypertension,diabetes,and cardiac problems.
His cause of death was a heart attack.(he survived one Monday,then had a second).

Yes,he tested positive,but its a stretch to say Coronavirus was the cause of death.



Some would say he deserved it, they should make him the picture of it, God forbid. They have said that it has a 3% mortality rate and that elderly people and people with chronic illnesses face the most risk. The problem is that the disease is very infectious, it has the potential of overwhelming our healthcare system, our healthcare professionals don’t have enough mask and ventilators so they will eventually ramp up testing in the known problem areas for 14 days and we could be back to normal in a month or two. If we keep following faux news and stop attacking the real problem, it may persist for longer than it has too. Trump called for closing the southern border and a giant payroll tax, he is reassuring the American public that he is in the fight. There will be no more press conferences with 10 minutes of opening praise for him, it will now be about containing the Wuhan virus. Let’s cut the fed rate to zero and go to negative interest rates, he has a hunch that cutting rates will work. Or they could do something like by securities offer small businesses lower rates at the discount window.
Graffz06 I wish your conspiracies would go viral, you would have about 3 nuts believing you. They are incredibly insightful and believable.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Coronavirus and the conference tourneys?
   Posted: 3/11/2020 8:40:00 AM 
I am and have always been a proud under-reacter to basically everything, so my natural reaction is to be annoyed by this and think it is an overkill. But I do understand it is a complicated situation and there comes a time where measures like this are necessary. We have experts saying this is necessary and other experts saying it is not. Like it or not, there is a line for how deadly and widespread a virus is before these actions occur. For me, it feels like the virus is both not as deadly and not as widespread to warrant this reaction yet.

I also wonder what kind of standard we are setting and how it will be followed in the future. Both with the staying power of this virus, but inevitable future viruses and other public health concerns. It kind of reminds me of how schools have inconsistent standards with snow days. They're quicker to cancel when they have plenty of calamity days left, but there have been times where they keep school open when conditions were worse than on previous days that were cancelled. Same thing here, it is easy to handle some empty sporting events and a couple weeks of online classes...but what about when that turns into months and months?

Also...the politicizing of this is really annoying. Come on.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Coronavirus and the conference tourneys?
   Posted: 3/11/2020 9:08:55 AM 
Ted Thompson wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Ted Thompson wrote:
OHSAA now family only. What am I missing about all of this?


As someone on the front lines so to speak, this is all coming down from the governors office. Remember two weeks ago he bagged the Arnold exposition, before any known cases in Ohio, and only a handful (less than 10) in the US. Organizations and schools have had very little choice in this matter when the governor calls a state of emergency and then strongly suggest that events be family only, what do you do?

As for Universities closing in person classes that’s just silly, the governor again is behind this. Dining halls and dorms will be open not to mention local establishments. These kids will be way more in contact on campus without in person classes than they ever were going to be sitting in Bentley Hall.


My daughter is playing in an AAU basketball tournament in Ohio this weekend. Columbus Blue Jackets will play in front of fans. Schools, churches, work continue. Just seems like we are cherry-picking athletics. If you need to shut EVERYTHING down, OK. But this just seems ineffective and nonsensical.



Exactly, the governor has obviously hit his head. Ironically he knows that the ventilations system is superior at Nationwide and Cavs games. Yet, Cavs play in same arena as MAC Championships, yet somehow the ventilation isn’t as good if the Cavs are not playing
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coronavirus and the conference tourneys?
   Posted: 3/11/2020 9:21:55 AM 
The issue is not simply those attending a game - it is that if those attending come in contact with the virus (which is becoming more and more likely) they become carriers - and it quickly spreads to those less able to handle the virus. We have entered the containment stage.

Last Edited: 3/11/2020 9:22:40 AM by cc-cat

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   Posted: 3/11/2020 9:28:45 AM 
cc-cat wrote:
The issue is not simply those attending a game - it is that if those attending come in contact with the virus (which is becoming more and more likely) they become carriers - and it quickly spreads to those less able to handle the virus. We have entered the containment stage.



I am as disappointed as anyone about the cancellations. In an effort to cut through the political positioning I offer this article. The reason to cancel events now is part of an overall strategy- not an attempt to create a political advantage. I submit for your consideration.

And Go Bobcats!

Why ‘flattening the curve’ may be the world’s best bet to slow the coronavirus

For many countries staring down fast-rising #coronavirus case counts, the race is on to “flatten the curve.”

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/11/flattening-curve-coro... /


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  Message Not Read  RE: Coronavirus and the conference tourneys?
   Posted: 3/11/2020 9:53:07 AM 
Anyone know if our band and cheerleaders are going? I saw on another forum that Miami's band is not making the trip.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coronavirus and the conference tourneys?
   Posted: 3/11/2020 10:15:15 AM 
shabamon wrote:
Anyone know if our band and cheerleaders are going? I saw on another forum that Miami's band is not making the trip.


The band was canceled, I'd assume no cheerleaders, bands or dance teams across the board. Would seem exceptionally silly with no fans there.

Last Edited: 3/11/2020 10:17:42 AM by HeHateMiami

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  Message Not Read  RE: Coronavirus and the conference tourneys?
   Posted: 3/11/2020 10:18:55 AM 
cc-cat wrote:
The issue is not simply those attending a game - it is that if those attending come in contact with the virus (which is becoming more and more likely) they become carriers - and it quickly spreads to those less able to handle the virus. We have entered the containment stage.


Yes very true and we are ill equipped to deal with the problem. We have only tested 5000 people, while China and Korea have tested millions and Italy has tested hundreds of thousands.
CDC Director Robert Redfield told POLITICO on Tuesday that he is not confident that U.S. labs have an adequate stock of the supplies used to extract genetic material from any virus in a patient’s sample — a critical step in coronavirus testing.

“The availability of those reagents is obviously being looked at,” he said, referring to the chemicals used for preparing samples. “I’m confident of the actual test that we have, but as people begin to operationalize the test, they realize there’s other things they need to do the test.”

The coronavirus task force convened by the White House is also aware of the shortages, and one official said members are working on it.

The growing scarcity of these “RNA extraction” kits is the latest trouble for U.S. labs, which have struggled to implement widespread coronavirus testing in the seven weeks since the country diagnosed its first case. Epidemiologists and public health officials say that the delayed rollout, caused in part by a botched CDC test, has masked the scope of the U.S. outbreak and hobbled efforts to limit it.


If enough processing kits aren’t available, the risk that testing will be disrupted is “huge,” said Michael Mina, associate medical director of molecular diagnostics at Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston.

“RNA extraction is the first step in being able to perform” a coronavirus test, he said. “If we cannot perform this step, the [coronavirus] test cannot be performed.”

Qiagen, a major supplier of the kits, confirmed that its product is backordered due to “the extraordinary pace” at which the world has increased coronavirus testing over the last few weeks.

Public health labs across the U.S. have tested more than 5,000 people, according to the Trump administration. HHS Secretary Alex Azar told lawmakers on Tuesday that U.S. labs’ capacity could grow to 10,000-20,000 people per day by the end of the week.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/20...


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  Message Not Read  RE: Coronavirus and the conference tourneys?
   Posted: 3/11/2020 10:59:50 AM 
allen wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
To me this is a perfect example of "over hyping" when it comes to Coronavirus.

New Jersey just reported its first death from Coronavirus.

I work with the town where the man lived.

I was at a meeting there last night.

Yes,he tested positive for Corona.

But,he had emphysema,hypertension,diabetes,and cardiac problems.
His cause of death was a heart attack.(he survived one Monday,then had a second).

Yes,he tested positive,but its a stretch to say Coronavirus was the cause of death.



Some would say he deserved it, they should make him the picture of it, God forbid. They have said that it has a 3% mortality rate and that elderly people and people with chronic illnesses face the most risk. The problem is that the disease is very infectious, it has the potential of overwhelming our healthcare system, our healthcare professionals don’t have enough mask and ventilators so they will eventually ramp up testing in the known problem areas for 14 days and we could be back to normal in a month or two. If we keep following faux news and stop attacking the real problem, it may persist for longer than it has too. Trump called for closing the southern border and a giant payroll tax, he is reassuring the American public that he is in the fight. There will be no more press conferences with 10 minutes of opening praise for him, it will now be about containing the Wuhan virus. Let’s cut the fed rate to zero and go to negative interest rates, he has a hunch that cutting rates will work. Or they could do something like by securities offer small businesses lower rates at the discount window.
Graffz06 I wish your conspiracies would go viral, you would have about 3 nuts believing you. They are incredibly insightful and believable.


Allen,all I'm saying is that,given this person's underlying conditions,saying he died from Corona is a bit of a stretch.

I posted about some information about this man this morning.

Some follow up information:
He was unmarried,no kids or grand kids.
No "attachment" to the community (schools,church,civic groups).
So, after looking into it,they decided to keep schools open,
and do like they have been doing.
Heavy cleaning every night.

I was at a meeting last night with the municipality's OEM.
They had attended a County OEM meeting that day.

They stressed the need not to over react or panic.
They said right now you should follow the recommendations
of the CDC,including frequent hand washing.

We were also told that NJ declared a "state of emergency" only to help
with federal funding and expedite getting supplies for first responders.
Not because of any expected explosion in the number of Corona cases.

The overall gist:Be cautious,but go on with your life.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Coronavirus and the conference tourneys?
   Posted: 3/11/2020 11:01:42 AM 
allen wrote:
cc-cat wrote:
The issue is not simply those attending a game - it is that if those attending come in contact with the virus (which is becoming more and more likely) they become carriers - and it quickly spreads to those less able to handle the virus. We have entered the containment stage.


Yes very true and we are ill equipped to deal with the problem. We have only tested 5000 people, while China and Korea have tested millions and Italy has tested hundreds of thousands.
CDC Director Robert Redfield told POLITICO on Tuesday that he is not confident that U.S. labs have an adequate stock of the supplies used to extract genetic material from any virus in a patient’s sample — a critical step in coronavirus testing.




I think this is the most missed point here. A lot of people are citing low positive case numbers and using that as evidence that cases are rare. In the US, we're not testing people at the rate of other countries. We have no idea what those numbers mean.

But it is clear to me that everybody on both sides of the political isle acknowledge this is a big deal in their own way. The Trump admin is about to push for a huge economic stimulus between now and November to combat the global recession that's looming. If this wasn't a real threat, would they do that?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coronavirus and the conference tourneys?
   Posted: 3/11/2020 12:03:13 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
allen wrote:
cc-cat wrote:
The issue is not simply those attending a game - it is that if those attending come in contact with the virus (which is becoming more and more likely) they become carriers - and it quickly spreads to those less able to handle the virus. We have entered the containment stage.


Yes very true and we are ill equipped to deal with the problem. We have only tested 5000 people, while China and Korea have tested millions and Italy has tested hundreds of thousands.
CDC Director Robert Redfield told POLITICO on Tuesday that he is not confident that U.S. labs have an adequate stock of the supplies used to extract genetic material from any virus in a patient’s sample — a critical step in coronavirus testing.




I think this is the most missed point here. A lot of people are citing low positive case numbers and using that as evidence that cases are rare. In the US, we're not testing people at the rate of other countries. We have no idea what those numbers mean.

But it is clear to me that everybody on both sides of the political isle acknowledge this is a big deal in their own way. The Trump admin is about to push for a huge economic stimulus between now and November to combat the global recession that's looming. If this wasn't a real threat, would they do that?


There are all kinds of opinions out there on testing.

I was listening to a discussion on what criteria should be used.

The consensus was that,in countries where the virus is widespread,more extensive testing is needed then in the US.

They felt that,right now, the US should concentrate testing on people who show symptoms or are likely to have come into contact with people who are/could be infected.

A big problem they said is that 80% of infected people will never show any symptoms.

You can't test everyone.

They also said "timing" is critical,especially with people with no symptoms.

A person could test negative today,positive tomorrow.

Regardless of the health threat to the US,no question,Corona is a threat to the world wide economy.

Airlines and cruise lines are already taking a big hit.

I presume that will carry over to vacation destinations in the states.

Manufacturing in China seems to be coming back.
But who knows how long before its back to normal.

Same thing,Italy is a relatively large economy to have virtually shut down.

The oil price war between the Saudi's and Russia will lower gas prices.
But if that market stays depressed,it can hurt our economy,especially the
petroleum industry,including fracking.

Maybe the seriousness of the problem will force both sides to work together.
At least until this "crisis" is resolved.

Then again,I also believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.








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   Posted: 3/11/2020 12:34:29 PM 
rpbobcat wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
allen wrote:
cc-cat wrote:
The issue is not simply those attending a game - it is that if those attending come in contact with the virus (which is becoming more and more likely) they become carriers - and it quickly spreads to those less able to handle the virus. We have entered the containment stage.


Yes very true and we are ill equipped to deal with the problem. We have only tested 5000 people, while China and Korea have tested millions and Italy has tested hundreds of thousands.
CDC Director Robert Redfield told POLITICO on Tuesday that he is not confident that U.S. labs have an adequate stock of the supplies used to extract genetic material from any virus in a patient’s sample — a critical step in coronavirus testing.




I think this is the most missed point here. A lot of people are citing low positive case numbers and using that as evidence that cases are rare. In the US, we're not testing people at the rate of other countries. We have no idea what those numbers mean.

But it is clear to me that everybody on both sides of the political isle acknowledge this is a big deal in their own way. The Trump admin is about to push for a huge economic stimulus between now and November to combat the global recession that's looming. If this wasn't a real threat, would they do that?


There are all kinds of opinions out there on testing.

I was listening to a discussion on what criteria should be used.

The consensus was that,in countries where the virus is widespread,more extensive testing is needed then in the US.

They felt that,right now, the US should concentrate testing on people who show symptoms or are likely to have come into contact with people who are/could be infected.

A big problem they said is that 80% of infected people will never show any symptoms.

You can't test everyone.

They also said "timing" is critical,especially with people with no symptoms.

A person could test negative today,positive tomorrow.

Regardless of the health threat to the US,no question,Corona is a threat to the world wide economy.

Airlines and cruise lines are already taking a big hit.

I presume that will carry over to vacation destinations in the states.

Manufacturing in China seems to be coming back.
But who knows how long before its back to normal.

Same thing,Italy is a relatively large economy to have virtually shut down.

The oil price war between the Saudi's and Russia will lower gas prices.
But if that market stays depressed,it can hurt our economy,especially the
petroleum industry,including fracking.

Maybe the seriousness of the problem will force both sides to work together.
At least until this "crisis" is resolved.

Then again,I also believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.










This is not what Dr. Fauci and Dr. Redfield said, Fauci said we could have millions of infections if we don’t act quickly. I know emergency management officials in New York and New Jersey and they are saying something totally different. I don’t know which fox show that you are watching, but they are lying to you. Dr. Fauci is a republican, Angela Merle said 60% of Germans could be infected. We will be building tents outside of hospitals to test people so that they don’t have to enter emergency rooms. Let’s be rational and not like Matt gaetz, who is a lackey. The congresses doctor was just advised that 75-150 million could be infected, this can be seen on Axios.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.axios.com/congressional-...


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   Posted: 3/11/2020 12:45:09 PM 
CBI cancelled. It seems unlikely we'd make the NIT as an at-large so it's The Big Dance or bust now.

edit: Wait, is the CIT still a thing?

Last Edited: 3/11/2020 12:45:46 PM by The Optimist


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   Posted: 3/11/2020 1:20:18 PM 
WHO just declared a global pandemic. More and more stuff will get canceled and/or performed in empty venues.

This is pretty sobering for anyone still worried about basketball. It includes a lot of sourcing and background, unlike the posts accusing DeWine and others of overreacting:

https://www.vox.com/2020/3/10/21171217/coronavirus-covid-...
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   Posted: 3/11/2020 1:47:02 PM 
This article is about how fast and how under the radar this can spread. It's understandable why events are being cancelled or going on without crowds.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/03/11/nation/how-biogen-... /

Also, I heard a CDC official say that the test kits require that RNA be extracted from virus cells before the actual testing can be done. Labs have an extreme shortage of this "material" required for the extraction and the kits don't include it. Hence the backlog testing.
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   Posted: 3/11/2020 2:01:08 PM 
Washington's governor has banned events of more than 250 people. The NCAA has first and second round games scheduled for Spokane. Wonder if they'll change locations or limit ticket sales.


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   Posted: 3/11/2020 2:10:29 PM 
So 20,000+ (some estimates have it closer to 50K) will die in the US alone from the flu between October and March. Why do we ever allow large group gatherings?
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   Posted: 3/11/2020 2:22:22 PM 
It does seem to me though that only banning certain events, like basketball games, seems like a piecemeal or halfhearted effort. Either make people stay at home or don't. A basketball games is cancelled. A parade is cancelled. OK so those people all don't meet at one venue. Big deal. They in all likelihood are still going to leave their homes during those times. They will go to restaurants, they will go to grocery stores, they will go to movie theaters, they will go to bars, church services, salons/barbershops, etc. They will still find a way to physically interact with other people.

Boston, Chicago and Cleveland have all cancelled their St. Patrick Day parades. I don't know about Boston but I'm pretty sure the drunk hordes that show up for the parade up here in Cleveland aren't staying home next Tuesday. Bars will still be packed and the virus will still spread.

So if we're really concerned with implementing effective containment, either cancel all events or don't bother.

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   Posted: 3/11/2020 2:30:13 PM 
Recovering Journalist wrote:
WHO just declared a global pandemic. More and more stuff will get canceled and/or performed in empty venues.

This is pretty sobering for anyone still worried about basketball. It includes a lot of sourcing and background, unlike the posts accusing DeWine and others of overreacting:

https://www.vox.com/2020/3/10/21171217/coronavirus-covid-...


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   Posted: 3/11/2020 2:36:15 PM 
Golden State will play a game with no fans. I hope that we can ramp up testing in the next few weeks so that we can know where we stand.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/11/golden-state-warriors-to-...

Last Edited: 3/11/2020 2:38:30 PM by allen


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   Posted: 3/11/2020 2:37:29 PM 
OUVan wrote:
So 20,000+ (some estimates have it closer to 50K) will die in the US alone from the flu between October and March. Why do we ever allow large group gatherings?


The low end of CDC estimates for flu is 9 million cases and 12,000 deaths for a death rate of .1%. The WHO has calculated an estimated death rate for COVID-19, based on China, Italy, Iran and So Korea of 3.4%.
So business as usual for COVID-19 could be 9 million cases and 300,000 deaths.

Keep in mind there is no vaccine yet for COVID-19 and the secondary infection rate is 1:2.5 vs the flu 1:.6

But don't worry, keep moving, nothing to see here.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coronavirus and the conference tourneys?
   Posted: 3/11/2020 2:47:47 PM 
I will say, I saw Northwestern football paused it's renewal campaign to allow folks to get over the threat of Corona and impact of economics from the last few weeks. I hope more schools and teams consider this approach, especially if this goes longer into spring
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