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Bobcat Love
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the LOVE is melting down....

Posted: 7/26/2010 5:58:08 PM

If you continue to win MAC East titles, you will get to play in Big Games against the likes of Marshall, Norfolk State, Marshall, Louisiana-Lafayette, Marshall, Wofford, Marshall, and Marshall again.

Good for Toledo. Shows me they care about their fan base and don't want to bore them to tears with 6 years of god-awful football scheduling. In fact, they put a good opponent in front of their fans year-in and year-out.

Our fans just lineup to take a suckle at the Schaus/Solich teet with 4,200 other people to watch the lowest rungs of D-1 football parade themselves through Peden.

2 MAC East title with horrible scheduling and I see absolutely no residual interest building in the program. Same season ticket sales, same stale marketing, same lemming fans willing to accept this garbage.

Time to try something different. Time to take a radical approach that will actually put students and new fans in seats. Time to schedule.

Quit moaning about more MAC East titles...it won't matter if we win 10 in a row. Beat somebody. Plain and simple. Stop showing off these Patzy opponents between the lines at Peden like some ugly girl forced into a debutante ball.

Say what you want, but right now - this football program is a laughingstock. Toledo/Miami Fl only cements it. Complete embarrassment to me as an alumnus and now 5 year season ticket holder. I really can't take much more of this.

How hard is it to actually work the phones and email to get a quality opponent into the place??????? Obviously it makes the Manhattan Project look easy.

I'm throwing down the gauntlet right now...If I don't see a press release by 1/1/11 stating that one of the following opponents is scheduled to play Ohio at Peden Stadium in the next 4 years - I'm done giving all monies to the Athletic Department. No more Bobcat Club. No more basketball tickets. No more football tickets. All monies will go to the College of Business.

Florida State
North Carolina State
North Carolina
Syracuse
Iowa
Purdue
Michigan State
Penn State
Wisconsin
Nebraska
Tennessee
Texas A&M
Missouri
Kansas
Kansas State
Texas Tech
Boise State
Oregon
UCLA
Oregon
LSU
Arkansas
Auburn
Alabama
Virginia Tech (could have solved this whole problem already)
Mississippi State
Mississippi

The Toledo news changes the whole game. It used to be about getting name-brand opponents into Peden. That ship has sailed baby. Now it's about getting name-brand GOOD opponents into Peden. I just can't deal with the garbage coming out of Peden any longer. It's time to be a real program or lose fans. I'm talking with my wallet now.

LOVE

PS - As far as Hocutt is concerned, this is all I need to see from that clown:

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/06TH9Jp6SagE3/610x.jpg

colobobcat66
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RE: the LOVE is melting down....

Posted: 7/26/2010 7:10:23 PM

You said the same thing about not renewing FB tickets earlier and didn't follow through. Please go away like you said you would, it's getting old. More and more extreme ranting each time. Because Toledo schedules Miami. Now, it's just good BCS programs. Why did you leave out Notre Dame and USC? (Syracuse-good brand name-you've got to be kidding.)

Really, is there anything short of doing everything you want that will pacify you? Not likely. When you run the athletic department, you can do what you wish, I guess. What makes you think that we will do a lot better with season tickets- what impact did it have when we played Pittsburgh or Connecticut? We sold out those games supposedly by giving away a lot of tickets. We are still in a crawling or maybe baby steps in getting to where everyone wants us. There are about 3 BCS teams a year playing at MAC stadiums, we had one last year. I hope we can change our schedules as we get better to play some of the teams you want in Peden, if not I can live with what we have-you can't. By the way, change the economics of working living in SE Ohio and then let's talk.

Last Edited: 7/26/2010 7:12:37 PM by colobobcat66

Monroe Slavin
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RE: the LOVE is melting down....

Posted: 7/26/2010 8:26:24 PM

Love is yelling so I just thought I'd help by putting it in approp-sized type.

Bobcat Love wrote:

Yeah. That works.

Last Edited: 7/26/2010 8:27:47 PM by Monroe Slavin

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RE: the LOVE is melting down....

Posted: 7/26/2010 8:58:11 PM

Honest to god Slavin, you've posted about 4,000 times since I've been on this site - and I'm pretty sure not ONE post has ever had anything of substance.

Font sizes, colors, and effects don't hide the fact you know nothing about what's going on in Athens and with the program(s).

Bert Presley
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RE: the LOVE is melting down....

Posted: 7/26/2010 9:14:31 PM

I understand your anger. If we are to be a big time program, we have to face big time opponents. I also understand the logic of: If you want to put fans in the stands you need to bring in someone besides a FCS school or a FBS patsy.

My Logic is different, and I want you to think about it. Our focus shouldn't be on OOC games at all. If we win the MAC East year in and year out we will be in a bowl game every year and create support. If we do that, then we can compete with the lower and mid tier teams in the BCS Confrences. In order to play those teams home and home they need something to gain. Toledo is playing Miami(FL) because Ohio is a huge recruiting ground and this gives them exposure here (along with their game with State). We should be trying to get games against Indiana, Illinois, Kentucky, Purdue, Syracuse, Pitt, UCONN, Maryland, Louisville, and Northwestern at Peden sometime with in the next 7 years. I understand our schedule is booked through 2015 more or less; but these are schools we should be looking at to face as they are local and are teams we can and have defeated and would draw fans. For now, we need a step by step approach. The first step of the approach is winning 6 games in the MAC every year.

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RE: the LOVE is melting down....

Posted: 7/26/2010 9:19:31 PM

Bobcat Love wrote:

Start stocking up on canned goods; the Love and I agree on something (not the scheduling issue).

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RE: the LOVE is melting down....

Posted: 7/26/2010 9:23:50 PM

colobobcat66 wrote:

I agree with the idea here. There were some odd teams to leave off the list and some teams included that were odd.

Also, if Love holds to what he said, then he will be done with athletics because his demands will not be met in that time constraint. We are a long way from being able to schedule a game like that. We don't have the attendance for those teams to have interest in agreeing to a 1-for-1.

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RE: the LOVE is melting down....

Posted: 7/26/2010 9:40:16 PM

Love.. I am getting weary of a townie that cleans toilets in Bush Hall takeing potshots at Athletics

Pete Chouteau
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RE: the LOVE is melting down....

Posted: 7/26/2010 9:48:51 PM

I'm not really sure why an announcement from the northwest corner of the state should elicit such a draconian response from the southeast contingent.

Toledo is running their program the way Toledo wants to run it. Ohio's scheduling strategy has been made clear for some time now.

I don't see the value in demanding some sort of arms race response to Toledo's move.

Not to mention that Miami (FL) football is pretty much living off the ghosts of the past right now.

Monroe Slavin
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RE: the LOVE is melting down....

Posted: 7/26/2010 9:51:12 PM

SBH wrote:

Bobcat Love wrote:

Start stocking up on canned goods; the Love and I agree on something (not the scheduling issue).

Good to see that the irrational and impetuous have identified the problem. What ever happened to the days of: 'I'm done with this board! Done!...Oh, here I am back a few days later as Emeritus.' So, Love what's the diff between your posts before you quit and when you came back Emeritus?

Hey you guys, check this out. News came out about a MAC school scheduling a nice opponent at home and Love went off! Bet you had no idea that he'd respond that way.

Answer this for me: When we put a beat down on FATMAN and contend highly this year but Toledo doesn't, does that mean that we should all bleat about the lack of the schedule and begin to pray at the temple of Toledo? Or should we appreciate that a program is being built at O-H-I-O?

Place hands on neck, remove head from arse.

Monroe Slavin
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RE: the LOVE is melting down....

Posted: 7/26/2010 9:52:01 PM

And I want to thank Love, The for raising the heat here today. Was gettin' kinda boring.

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RE: the LOVE is melting down....

Posted: 7/26/2010 10:26:43 PM

Why couldn't the future Kentucky or Louisville games be one-for-one games? I agree to an extent Love we need a non-conference game at least one to hang our hats on. The Pitt and U Conn games were great but there has to be somebody decent that we can sign a home-and-home series with. A middle of the road Big 11 team or a Mountain West team. I would be satisfied with that.

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RE: the LOVE is melting down....

Posted: 7/26/2010 11:02:29 PM

ytownbobcat wrote:

Love.. I am getting weary of a townie that cleans toilets in Bush Hall takeing potshots at Athletics

who is this townie you speak of? I know the love, and he is no townie.

Also, i would just like to point out those who had 20 days in The Love Blowup game get the prize, you can contact each other to figure out how to split the pot.

Last Edited: 7/26/2010 11:03:34 PM by Suga Fries

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OhioCatFan
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RE: the LOVE is melting down....

Posted: 7/26/2010 11:39:15 PM

I agree that we need to have a better home schedule in future years. Unlike some others, I don't think the current schedule for the next five years as announced is set in stone. I suspect that after we have a very successful year this fall and win our first bowl game in school history, we will see some changes in the schedule. While I don't think we'll see the teams on BL's list in Peden stadium in that time span, we might very well see teams like Indiana, Purdue, Louisville, or even Illinois. But, for now, LET'S GO OUT AN ROOT OHIO ON TO A BANNER YEAR IN 2010!

BTW, BL is completely right about the VT game previously scheduled for Athens. But, the perp there has left town and we are the better for it.

P.S. I'm a townie, but I never cleaned toilets in Bush Hall. I did clean windows in Grosvenor when it was a dorm, and I also washed dishes in that dorm's cafeteria.

Last Edited: 7/26/2010 11:41:30 PM by OhioCatFan

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RE: the LOVE is melting down....

Posted: 7/27/2010 8:47:36 AM

Pete Chouteau wrote:

I'm not really sure why an announcement from the northwest corner of the state should elicit such a draconian response from the southeast contingent.

Toledo is running their program the way Toledo wants to run it. Ohio's scheduling strategy has been made clear for some time now.

I don't see the value in demanding some sort of arms race response to Toledo's move.

Not to mention that Miami (FL) football is pretty much living off the ghosts of the past right now.

I think Toledo has already won the arms race since we gave up the "Fire in the Hole" Cannon.

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RE: the LOVE is melting down....

Posted: 7/27/2010 8:56:38 AM

What Ohio really needs to do is play less non-conference home games and more road big-money games each year. Athletics needs the money badly.

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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RE: the LOVE is melting down....

Posted: 7/27/2010 11:43:14 AM

Bobcat Love wrote:

If I don't see a press release by 1/1/11 stating that one of the following opponents is scheduled to play Ohio at Peden Stadium in the next 4 years - I'm done giving all monies to the Athletic Department. No more Bobcat Club. No more basketball tickets. No more football tickets. All monies will go to the College of Business.

Florida State - no way
North Carolina State - okay
North Carolina - okay
Syracuse - okay
Iowa - okay
Purdue - okay
Michigan State - no value for them
Penn State - oh please
Wisconsin - no value for them
Nebraska - only because of Solich's connections, which probably makes this NOT happen.
Tennessee - okay
Texas A&M - tough sell
Missouri - okay
Kansas - okay
Kansas State - okay
Texas Tech - okay
Boise State - makes no sense for their recruiting
Oregon - makes no sense for their recruiting
UCLA - makes no sense for their recruiting
Oregon - makes no sense for their recruiting
LSU - makes no sense
Arkansas - okay
Auburn - makes no sense
Alabama - grow up
Virginia Tech (could have solved this whole problem already)
Mississippi State - okay
Mississippi - okay

If you are going to rant, at least be realistic. I'd add Wake, Louisville, Kentucky, Virginia to the okay list. Okay means a home and home may be sellible...maybe. We need to target down BCS programs.

Last Edited: 7/27/2010 11:44:43 AM by cc-cat

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Posted: 7/27/2010 11:54:33 AM

The other thing we have going against us in this is not only are we located in one of the worst parts of the state, anyone see that depressing Dateline piece a few days ago can attest to that, but we have no television deal either. We have to play on some random 8:23 ESPNU Tuesday time slot for us to even whif any game being televised. I have to think that if we could somehow get any kind of television deal along the lines of us being on that Christian television station a few years ago then we would have more leverage of getting quality teams coming to Peden.

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RE: the LOVE is melting down....

Posted: 7/27/2010 12:22:30 PM

To Love...in THEORY I TOTALLY agree with you.

To Love and Others...in REALITY we are not going to see this happen with our limited stadium size and resources.

The only logical alternative is to draw a circle 300/350 miles from Athens or Columbus or wherever and schedule teams inside that circle so the BOBCAT NATION can travel and see their team compete. Places like UK, Louisville, Cincy. the OSU, Mich, Mich St, Indiana, Pitt, Marshall, etc. meet that criteria.

That way, our team will get a payday and our fans can have some fun tailgating in the opponents back yard.

If and when we beat some of the above teams on a regular basis, then we can talk about stadium expansion, change in scheduling philosophy, etc. and our case will be much stronger!

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RE: the LOVE is melting down....

Posted: 7/27/2010 1:53:00 PM

Obo Love, in response to those of you who disagree with his tired rant--you know, the one that apppears here every 45-60 days or so about 'lousy football sched, I'm taking my money and going home'--let me correct your point of view:

Honest to god (fill yourname in here), you've posted about 4,000 times since I've been on this site - and I'm pretty sure not ONE post has ever had anything of substance.

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Posted: 7/27/2010 4:37:49 PM

Excuse me, Ryan and Ted ... I thought the resuscitated BA.com was rant-proofed (?!) ... That the viral infestation of schedule-bashing bummary had been dispatched to the great commodium in the sky and could not return (?!) ... What gives?

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RE: the LOVE is melting down....

Posted: 7/27/2010 6:35:18 PM

Ohio Hoops wrote:

Umm ... I think you got that wrong. Southeast Ohio is actually the best part of the state. Most people are doing OK in them thar hills, Ann Curry and her furrowed brow notwithstanding.

Been to Toledo lately? Ashtabula? Steubenville? They've got all the unemployment but none of the charm, beauty and basic awesomeness of SE Ohio. The latest figures don't even back up the contention that the counties around Athens are particularly bad:

lmi.state.oh.us/laus/Ranking.pdf

Program directors at NBC, ABC, etc. know they can send out a few e-mails, roust up a David Wilhelm or an old J-school contact and get an easy story that makes our area seem pathetic and dependent on handouts. Most of the people I know, however, would probably send them on their way (and possibly recommend a new place to store their camera).

Back to the topic, even the real economic struggles are a poor excuse for scheduling weaknesses. When Iowa State and Seneca Wallace came to Peden, they didn't ask about local per capita income as far as I know. Or Pitt, or UConn. There should be more of that type of home-game opponent to make things interesting and help justify the big-time investment. It'd be interesting to know if the lack of great non-conf. opponents is a result of strategy, i.e. seeking more sure wins, or just an inability to get it done.

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RE: the LOVE is melting down....

Posted: 7/27/2010 7:11:40 PM

Explain to me what grand change in Bobcat Athletics you're hoping to have happen because we schedule ONE quality OOC home again a year-

- Increased season ticket sales? doubtful
- Better record? doubtful
- Better chance of winning the MACC? nope
- Better chance at winning a bowl game? doubtful

I don't see how adding one quality OOC home game a year will have any signifcant impact financially or on student/townie support. Winning on TV (MACC and Bowl) is what people want to see. One good home game doesn't change the fact that Peden Stadium is located in the middle of nowhere.

The only substantive effect I can see of us scheduling a big name to come in and beat us on our own field is that it gives some people on this site something to brag about.

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RE: the LOVE is melting down....

Posted: 7/27/2010 7:33:29 PM

I would just like over a 4 year cycle for us to play a big name program on a home and home basis not for the money, because we wouldn't make any. Not for an increased chance of winning the Confrence, because it won't. And not for the victories, because facing the schools won't guarantee us those victories. I want to do it for the chance of having our kids face great opponents. Chad Brinker in the dome comes to mind. I think most of the players who come here want to win a MAC Title but realize they won't play in a BCS Bowl, wouldn't it be nice to have them play a BCS Bowl in Peden? I would love for us to face Oregon State at Peden and then go out West, our own version of a Rose Bowl for some of these players. It is also possible, maybe we have a game against Texas Tech, our own little Cotton Bowl. Yeah, we go to the GMAC Bowl and face the best in the Sun Belt, and in the Pizza Bowl we face the bottom rung of the MAC or a C-USA also ran. No great bowl game, but scheduling this way gives us 2 years to build wins and 2 years where we lose one extra game, but our goal has to be the same year in and year out; Winning The MAC East and the MAC Title Game.

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RE: the LOVE is melting down....

Posted: 7/27/2010 10:44:35 PM

This may be first, but who can prove it since all the history has been lost, but I actually agree with everything in Putnam Field's last post. This is the BEST part of the Buckeye State -- that's why it was settle first and all the rest of the state was second choice. If you don't like our hills, flatlander, just go back to Pancake City (aka Cowtown) and enjoy your boring landscape and the equally boring people (with a few notable exceptions) who populate the place!

Last Edited: 7/27/2010 10:45:56 PM by OhioCatFan

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