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sargentfan
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Hustle Belt ribbing us on our name

Posted: 8/20/2010 9:58:50 AM

http://www.hustlebelt.com/2010/8/17/1626573/silly-style-sticklers-ohio-doesnt#add-comment

I and some other Bobcat fans have left some love for our school in the comments.

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RE: Hustle Belt ribbing us on our name

Posted: 8/20/2010 10:10:12 AM

When I was in my hometown it was always O.U.....oh....he's going to O.U......or....are you going to watch the broadcast tonight of O.U. at The Tangerine Bowl......never she goes to Ohio.......or I'm spending the weekend at Ohio....sure you are.....that's where you friggin live...I think all of this germinated in the late 70's and 80's and with the lawsuit......me thinks like the writer that it's a tad silly.....hey....triple word score for me for using germinated in a sentence.

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Posted: 8/20/2010 11:06:15 AM

I defer to Dr. Alden and Love's buddy on this one. Thanks Dr. Glidden!

http://thepost.baker.ohiou.edu/archives/102297/ohio.html

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Posted: 8/20/2010 11:09:23 AM

I personally glad that our university (or at least the Athletic Department) goes out of their way to establish a firm policy/request for this.

When you watch the ticker for NCAA scores-be it football or basketball, 98% plus of the schools shown are referenced in the exact same way. You always see Indiana, Arizona, Vanderbilt. You do not see U. of Texas, Auburn U. or Penn State U.

I personally do not have a problem with OU as a secondary reference but "Ohio U." just makes my skin crawl. I suppose if our beloved university were to have a much richer/successful record we would be much more of an established and household name in athletics over the past 75 years. And as much as it pains me, we partially have Ohio A&M to thank for this struggle-theri fascination to simply put "Ohio" on so many things just blows my mind as I know there is no way Florida State would dare want to be confused with Florida or Virginia Tech dare be confused with UVA.

That being said, I am reminded of a great quote from one of the litany of pee-wee sports themed movies from the early to mid 1990's-The Big Green: "even bad teams have names".

Ohio-The State University

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Posted: 8/20/2010 11:36:31 AM

agreed with remarks both here and on the blog. I don't mind OU (but not O.U.) as a casual and regional reference but prefer OHIO in national coverage, and Ohio U makes me throw up in my mouth a little. Although I knew about the trademark battle with Ohio A&M I never realized THEY sued US. The balls of that, it makes me hate their omission of the word State that much more.

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Posted: 8/20/2010 12:50:08 PM

Is there anyone who loves our esteemed university more than Vern Alden?

We've been blessed with some outstanding presidents over the years.

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RE: Hustle Belt ribbing us on our name

Posted: 8/20/2010 1:17:33 PM

From The Post article linked to earlier in this string:

"I don't comprehend the concept of one institution owning 'Ohio'," said Andy Geiger, Ohio State's athletics director.

"Both have great traditions of being in Ohio. We'd promise never to use 'Ohio' in green and white, and I'm sure Ohio University would promise never to use 'Ohio' in scarlet and gray. But by no means will we back down from this," he said.

If those comments accurately reflect what then Ohio State AD Andy Geiger said, I can't draw an absolute conclusion about him. I vacillate between "arrogant" and "clueless/dimwitted."

From East Lansing comes this late-breaking news: "Michigan State promises they won't use just 'Michigan' in maize and blue on their athletics uniforms." How about this? They don't use "Michigan" at all, at least on their recent BB unies!

The people at A&M are ... Nuts!

IMO, we shouldn't have allowed them to continue doing their script "Ohio." The comment should have been, "We don't give a damn who dots the "i"; we want to know who's going to cross the "t's" ...

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RE: Hustle Belt ribbing us on our name

Posted: 8/20/2010 2:55:47 PM

I can really tell I am one of the "old guys" on this blog whenever this topic comes up. I graduated from Ohio U! in 1971 and it was ALWAYS OU or Ohio U when I was in school. I do remember helmets with the State outline on them and I remember basketball jersys have always (I think) just had OHIO on them.

But please, it was then and is even now often referred to as OU or Ohio U just so people know we are not talking about the ohio state u.

Just to piss 'em off, I would spell out O-H-I-O U! and have a tuba puctuate the dot on the exclamation mark!

It appears to me that trying to get OU and Ohio U out of the media over the last however many years has largely failed, even in Ohio. I think most of the broadcasters in cincinnati (even Popo and Broo) often talk about it as OU.

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Posted: 8/20/2010 3:19:40 PM

Casper71 wrote:

It appears to me that trying to get OU and Ohio U out of the media over the last however many years has largely failed, even in Ohio. I think most of the broadcasters in cincinnati (even Popo and Broo) often talk about it as OU.

I absolutely disagree with you here. Has it been 100% successful? Of course not, but it's only been 15 years, fighting an uphill battle, armed with modest athletics tradition versus the 800 lb gorilla in cowtown. The difference between now and then is unbelievable. No one expected it to happen overnight. People need to quit s**king hind tit because something is hard. To quote Martin Sheen in the American President...Fight the fights that need fighting. Take what's ours. Win or lose on 9/18, WE ARE OHIO. Period.

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Posted: 8/20/2010 3:25:25 PM

Casper71 wrote:

But please, it was then and is even now often referred to as OU or Ohio U just so people know we are not talking about the ohio state u.

Just to piss 'em off, I would spell out O-H-I-O U! and have a tuba puctuate the dot on the exclamation mark!

It appears to me that trying to get OU and Ohio U out of the media over the last however many years has largely failed, even in Ohio. I think most of the broadcasters in cincinnati (even Popo and Broo) often talk about it as OU.

Since they changed the website from ohiou.edu to ohio.edu I think there are alot less students that know the school as Ohio U. OU is really a regional thing, so it makes sense to try to change the culture for it as well. It should become more of a short-hand for the short-hand OHIO for alums.

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Posted: 8/20/2010 3:53:25 PM

Casper71 wrote:

I can really tell I am one of the "old guys" on this blog whenever this topic comes up. I graduated from Ohio U! in 1971 ... It appears to me that trying to get OU and Ohio U out of the media over the last however many years has largely failed, even in Ohio. I think most of the broadcasters in cincinnati (even Popo and Broo) often talk about it as OU.

Oh friendly ghost, I am older than thou ... And while I, too, grew up with the nomenclature "OU" and "Ohio U," I also understand the importance of making an effort to preserve "marks" and, while sportscasters tend to use the "U" or "University" in the context of OUr school's name, I definitely have observed a change in the media since the brouhaha with the Upstate Nuts -- that is, regular references in schedules and scores that depict us simply as "Ohio."

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RE: Hustle Belt ribbing us on our name

Posted: 8/20/2010 4:13:36 PM

Cat4ever wrote:

From The Post article linked to earlier in this string:

"I don't comprehend the concept of one institution owning 'Ohio'," said Andy Geiger, Ohio State's athletics director.

That makes my blood boil. I hope Frank posts this in the locker room.

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RE: Hustle Belt ribbing us on our name

Posted: 8/20/2010 4:16:43 PM

There are some who believe President Alden's tenure was far from perfect.

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RE: Hustle Belt ribbing us on our name

Posted: 8/20/2010 4:35:09 PM

The Situation wrote:

Cat4ever wrote:

From The Post article linked to earlier in this string:

"I don't comprehend the concept of one institution owning 'Ohio'," said Andy Geiger, Ohio State's athletics director.

That makes my blood boil. I hope Frank posts this in the locker room.

Edit: I see that this has already come up, but still think it's worthy of being reposted.

I'd go with what the guys on ESPN's College Football Live said just yesterday. They were picking out how A+M was going to fare with this year's schedule. When it came to facing the Bobcats, one of the arrogant pricks literally said, "Are you serious?" when asking who would win the battle of Ohio.

I'm thinking along the lines of, "Yes, we're serious!"

Last Edited: 8/20/2010 4:37:11 PM by Jughead

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Posted: 8/20/2010 5:04:12 PM

SBH wrote:

There are some who believe President Alden's tenure was far from perfect.

Hard to believe, but some people feel the same about me. (T. I. C.)

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RE: Hustle Belt ribbing us on our name

Posted: 8/20/2010 8:59:54 PM

Just got my tickets for the A&M game. We weren't going to go because of the horrible seats we had last time, but one of my wife's high school friends got us two seats in the "Club 1" area, which is I think part of the friend's husband's company's "club area." At any rate, the point here is that the tickets say that OSU is playing OHIO, and they also have an image of our helmets with OHIO on them. So in two places the tickets refer to us as OHIO. I will give them credit in that ever since the out-of-court settlement they have been very good about referring to us properly. I remember last time when we took a shuttle bus to the parking lot it said OHIO game on it, as did the scoreboard in the stadium. So, I would say that we are making progress on the name front. Eventually some of the recalcitrant media will get the word as they see how the Evil Empire itself is handing the issue.

Last Edited: 8/20/2010 9:02:36 PM by OhioCatFan

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Posted: 8/20/2010 10:41:43 PM

SBH wrote:

There are some who believe President Alden's tenure was far from perfect.

I'm far from perfect myself.

During Dr. Alden's tenure Ohio was able to expand its research capacity, the regional campus system was established and the Honors College was created. I believe this was also an era of expanded international presence. The university acquired more land and property -- some of which perhaps contributed to some financial woes in the 70s after university enrollments plummeted . However, some of the expanded footprint has contributed to what I think is one of the most beautiful campuses around. And, Ohio showed excellence in several sports including baseball, basketball and football.

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Posted: 8/20/2010 11:38:57 PM

Just to clear this up, the reason the school's media guide does not want to refer to us as OU is because after the big battle over the use of the name "Ohio" with state back in 99, the Atheletic department thought it would be prudent to not use the term OU since Oklahoma trademarked it way back when.

Actually if somebody could post this on the Hustle Belt board, it would make me feel better.

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Posted: 8/21/2010 3:52:44 PM

A point of clarification, Vern the Fern, as we affectionately called him, did not create the branch system. This was done, mainly, under the leadership of President John Calhoun Baker and President Herman Gerlach James as well as Dean Adolph H. Armbruster. However, The Fern did expand the branch concept into a regional campus concept and worked hard to expand the whole Ohio University system.

Last Edited: 8/21/2010 4:11:18 PM by OhioCatFan

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Posted: 8/21/2010 11:35:26 PM

My guess is we have done a better job convincing ESPN and USATODAY to use OHIO than we have the "ohio" media. And, actually I do remember my first football game with "rip em up tear em up give em hell O-H-I-O. And, "let's go O-H-I-O".

So, I know the O-H-I-O thing has been around a while and I can accept it...just too bad it will be 50 years before the OU and Ohio U will be gone (as will i)!

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Posted: 8/23/2010 9:59:29 AM

Sorry to stray off topic, but I'd like to expand on my earlier note about Vern Alden. A few facts about his tenure:

1. The size of the administration under Alden grew by more than 25%. Many of these people were Harvard types who had plans to bring the "Great Society" to SE Ohio. They couldn't find enough office space for these employees and there were many complaints that they were all trying to reinvent the wheel with wild programs that didn't make sense for a Midwestern university. Ultimately, many of them became frustrated and left after a few years, but the bloated administration numbers remained.

2. Alden took a Robert McNamara approach to building the university -- spend as much as you can on buildings and then open the doors to anyone you can find to fill the space. As a result, there were MANY students who didn't belong in a college, much less a mid-size university in SE Ohio. The whole "Harvard on the Hocking" approach brought a fairly sizable contingent of East Coast students to Athens. Many of them brought their appetites for drugs and alcohol with them. These, folks, were the beginnings of the "party school" image.

3. Alden had a hard time keeping the finances in balance as he went on his building spree. Ironically, he dragged his feet after having promised the faculty that he would replace the hopelessly outdated Chubb library. He then got a "promise" of a large donation from a board member to build the Convo, and when those funds never materialized was forced to downsize the original library structure. Needless to say, the faculty was pissed...yet the board named the library after him.

4. He couldn't afford to pay most non-faculty employees a living wage. The food service and maintenance staffs went on strike and the university got horrible press because students couldn't eat in the cafeterias.

5. Eventually the party school image, student unrest and weak academic standards began to affect the university's ability to attract quality highs school students. Later, enrollment dropped (after the Kent shootings) and Alden's pyramid scheme looked awfully reckless.

6. Alden ultimately was asked by the faculty to resign and he did. The board then brought in the wrong guy (Claude Sowle) to clean up the mess and we basically ended up in state receivership due to all of the debt.

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Posted: 8/23/2010 10:14:31 AM

OhioCatFan wrote:

The tickets they gave out to OBC members were better this year, actually got section 1A, unlike last time when I was up on C deck.

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Posted: 8/23/2010 10:24:49 AM

sargentfan wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

The tickets they gave out to OBC members were better this year, actually got section 1A, unlike last time when I was up on C deck.

Good to know that OBC members are being treated better this time. The seats we got via OBC last time were the worst seats I've ever had at any stadium, in any sport, in my entire life. We were in the back row, under the upper deck with two pillars blocking our view of the field. I happy to hear that they cleaned up their act.

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Posted: 8/23/2010 10:41:56 AM

SBH wrote:

. . . He then got a "promise" of a large donation from a board member to build the Convo, and when those funds never materialized was forced to downsize the original library structure. Needless to say, the faculty was pissed...yet the board named the library after him. . . .

The guy who promised the funds was local automobile mogul Fred R. Beasley, who at one time owned more Ford dealerships than any other person in the country. I believe it was something like 50 dealerships at its height. He was extremely wealthy and had more than enough money to make good on his pledge. Unfortunately, two factors intervened to prevent the money from reaching the University coffers: 1. He had a tiff with Alden shortly after agreeing to the deal, 2. At about this time members of his family had him declared mentally incompetent to handle his own financial affairs. Those family members did not want to honor his commitment to the Convocation Center.

SBH wrote:

Alden ultimately was asked by the faculty to resign and he did. The board then brought in the wrong guy (Claude Sowle) to clean up the mess and we basically ended up in state receivership due to all of the debt.

Amen! As I often put it, Sowle made the worst of a bad situation. He is best described as a learned fool. Among his more ingenious moves were the elimination of the School of Architecture, the "give away" of the Portsmouth Branch, the unsuccessful attempt to eliminate the College of Engineering (at a time when the supply of engineers was going down and demand for their services was going up), the elimination of the varsity hockey program, the tearing down of Ewing and Super halls, and the "open budget hearings" that resulted in the worst in-fighting among colleges and departments ever witnessed in the Western academic world. He was a disaster. Oh, did I mention that he was once picked up by police drunk in a gutter in Columbus after a Board of Trustees meeting?

Last Edited: 8/23/2010 7:41:55 PM by OhioCatFan

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Posted: 8/23/2010 5:53:38 PM

SBH wrote:

Sorry to stray off topic, but I'd like to expand on my earlier note about Vern Alden. A few facts about his tenure:

The whole "Harvard on the Hocking" approach brought a fairly sizable contingent of East Coast students to Athens. Many of them brought their appetites for drugs and alcohol with them. These, folks, were the beginnings of the "party school" image.

SBH, I can't take you to task on most of your points without undertaking some research for which I don't have time. But on the comment above, either you are way off base or Vernon Alden worked spectacularly fast:

He arrived at Ohio University in 1962.
I arrived at Ohio University in 1963.
At the time I arrived on campus, Playboy magazine was proclaiming Ohio University as the Midwest's playground.
Also coincident with my arrival on campus: sanctions by the university to quell the St. Patty's Day revelry that apparently was way out of hand. That certainly couldn't have happened through the single St. Patty's Day of Dr. Alden's tenure! In fact, it would seem that the university under President Alden observed the craziness and was taking steps to curb it.

Not sure why you're so determined to run down Vernon, but don't build your case with hogwash that can be discounted so easily.

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