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Casper71
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Time for the MAC to...

Posted: 8/19/2010 3:33:13 PM

Seriously think about adding WKU and Middle Tenn? Add Marshall and you have 16 teams to break into two Divisions....could work.

Gotta believe the WAC may come after the Louisiana teams in the Sun Belt. If I was their Commish, I'd be a bit worried...

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RE: Time for the MAC to...

Posted: 8/19/2010 3:38:26 PM

There is no WAC.

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RE: Time for the MAC to...

Posted: 8/19/2010 3:51:37 PM

Yep, the race is on to corner the goliath media market that is Lafayette, LA ....

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RE: Time for the MAC to...

Posted: 8/19/2010 4:07:05 PM

I think it's more likely that the WAC would try to raid CUSA. They would view those schools as more on their level than the Sun Belt schools.

If expansion included Temple for football/basketball and WKU for all sports, that would benefit the MAC.

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RE: Time for the MAC to...

Posted: 8/19/2010 5:31:32 PM

Jeff McKinney wrote:

The WAC is left with San Jose, Utah State, New Mexico State, Idaho, Louisiana Tech and Hawaii. (Looks like our future schedule...OUch) Why would anyone leave CUSA for that? Actually, no one currently in FBS, even in the Sun Belt, is joining that group. The best those schools can hope for is schools like North Dakota or Montana will the jump up just so they can stay afloat.

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RE: Time for the MAC to...

Posted: 8/19/2010 6:06:48 PM

Tom Dienhart of Rivals just posted on his twitter today :

Rivals' Houston site reports a super conference of 20 teams may be formed among the best of the Mountain West and C-USA.about 4 hours ago via web
Then later:

Rather than a 20-team C-USA/MWC, I'm told it may be more likely that C-USA adds two teams to grow to 14. The additions: TCU and Temple.12 minutes ago via web

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RE: Time for the MAC to...

Posted: 8/19/2010 6:19:23 PM

Temple isn't any more likely to bring its b-ball program to CUSA than to the MAC. And do those CUSA programs watch the football attendance figures in Philly? 17,000 reported attendance, closer to 9,000.

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RE: Time for the MAC to...

Posted: 8/19/2010 8:47:37 PM

If and a big "if" Temple goes to CUSA it will be for all sports including basketball.

FWIW department, a Temple fan posted the below in the CUSA board regarding the possibility of
Temple joining CUSA.

I'm not really sure. I dont even know how I feel about it. I think in a perfect world, we fit better institutionally in the ACC and BE, but it's a big upgrade over the MAC for football. It's probably a wash for basketball. I kinda wish the CUSA schools were better at basketball, in which case, I'd be all for it. It's just out of nowhere reall

yhttp://ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=448003

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RE: Time for the MAC to...

Posted: 8/19/2010 8:49:22 PM

I don't want to offend you, but I don't see The Herd rejoining the MAC.

Last Edited: 8/19/2010 8:52:02 PM by Flat Tire

Bobcat321
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RE: Time for the MAC to...

Posted: 8/20/2010 12:53:03 AM

Casper71 wrote:

Seriously think about adding WKU and Middle Tenn? Add Marshall and you have 16 teams to break into two Divisions....could work.

No more directionals!!!!! We've already gone way past our daily allowance.

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RE: Time for the MAC to...

Posted: 8/20/2010 9:41:31 AM

Here's a directional for the MAC...

BOTTOM OF THE TOILET BOWL

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RE: Time for the MAC to...

Posted: 8/21/2010 7:27:16 AM

I have to agree with Love on this. No offense to either WKU or Mid Tenn or whoever, but if the MAC is seriously contemplating such a move, it might as well just drop to FCS/D-IA or whatever. Right now both the MAC and the Sun Belt appear to be nothing more than glorified wannabees. As has been stated many times by many people on here, OUr program will hopefully be able to some day get out of this joke of a conference.

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RE: Time for the MAC to...

Posted: 8/21/2010 9:21:52 AM

well stated, OU79, I agree completely.

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RE: Time for the MAC to...

Posted: 8/21/2010 12:19:31 PM

To finish the sentence...disband.

Let the so-called mid-major programs go independent. Take up four or five big money games per year and go build a program with the cash.

Being locked into playing low-revenue, never-watched games is a recipe for disaster in this college football landscape.

Get two powerhouse Big Ten schools on the schedule every year and play them at their place or at a neutral site. Play one low-level Big Ten team every year and get them to do a game at Peden every three years. I'll take the money, pay the coaches and update the facilities and take our chances. Play an SEC team every year. Play one of the service academies every year. Play Marshall, Miami, Kent State, Akron, Toledo and BG.

That would be an acceptable, even exciting vision for the future of the program, I think. We'd take some lumps some years, but it'd be a program legitimized and more valuable, solvent.

Otherwise, make the MAC into its own version of the Ivy League and play football at a regional level and stop trying to compete with the Wal-Marts of college football.

We're sitting on the fence right now. Either get in the scrum or be above it.

It's getting tiring propping up the corpse the likes of Eastern Michigan. Just euthanize this conference and let everyone fend for themselves.

Last Edited: 8/21/2010 12:23:22 PM by Brian Smith (No, not that one)

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RE: Time for the MAC to...

Posted: 8/21/2010 4:08:19 PM

Some kind of a bobcatattack.com record: Four posts in a row that I agree with at a nearly 99 and 44/100 percent level. To take off from that reference, let's get out the Ivory soap and clean off the dirt and scum of this conference and look to a brighter future. I'm not as vocal as some of these aforementioned folks, at least on a consistent basis (I do have my moments), but I'm ready for a change. I'm hoping that a stellar record in football and basketball in 2010-11 will be the springboard for some creative changes in direction and focus in the Athletic Department. GO OHIO!

Last Edited: 8/21/2010 4:09:19 PM by OhioCatFan

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RE: Time for the MAC to...

Posted: 8/21/2010 9:32:17 PM

Bobcat Love wrote:

Yep, the race is on to corner the goliath media market that is Lafayette, LA ....

BL, you know better than to hinge the discussion on "market size"! After all, the Big Ten's "big score" was market 105 (Lincoln-Hastings-Kearney)! Or was it? Actually, it was the 'Huskers.

Shall I continue? Yes, I think I shall. Tallahassee (No. 106), Boise (No. 112), Lansing (115), Lafayette (123). Shall I continue? Yes!!!! Columbia-Jefferson City (137), Lubbock (143), Gainesville (160), Charlottesville (183).

The fact is that many of the BCS schools are not in largely populated areas. I've just picked on a few places. You can spend the rest of the evening discovering other out-of-the-way places that are popular by going over this list: http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/2009-2010-dma-ranks.pdf.

Last Edited: 8/21/2010 9:39:22 PM by Cat4ever

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RE: Time for the MAC to...

Posted: 8/21/2010 9:43:40 PM

Brian Smith wrote:

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No reason to take up space repeating your thoughts, Brian. They are fascinating. Used to be that "Independents" were nearly everywhere. And I have to wonder if that might be the most interesting way for OUr football program to go -- if we could get a schedule. That might be a challenge. But your ideas are very interesting.

Last Edited: 8/21/2010 9:44:29 PM by Cat4ever

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Posted: 8/22/2010 3:14:50 AM

If we leave the MAC where do we go? Ideally, the best of the MAC and C-USA East need to disband and form 2 new confrences; I think the Big East might even be involved if the football/basketball split ever occurs.

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RE: Time for the MAC to...

Posted: 8/22/2010 8:06:47 AM

I just finished reading the thread "OHIO vs Marshall Game" on this board and it really gives one pause to consider just where the MAC is heading. Apparently down the toilet if it is not already there. What got my attention the most were the articles on the possible CUSA/MWC championship game. This is so because in reading those articles it is obvious that those two conferences are being proactive in trying to obtain an automatic BCS bid. Whether or not that actually happens is another story. What is important is the fact that they appear to have a plan and are at least attempting to do something. What I see from the MAC is nothing at best. Therefore, I would hope that OUr program would be trying to come up with some plan to either bolt the conference or go independent with the hope of escaping this joke of a conference. If the MAC continues its current course, we will be nowhere in a few years if we are not already there now. In my opinion, the MAC as it currently stands/operates is not an option, and adding another directional FCS/I-AA team to the conference only takes us farther down the tank and into the sewage below.

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RE: Time for the MAC to...

Posted: 8/22/2010 9:55:01 AM

The Situation wrote:

Rather than a 20-team C-USA/MWC, I'm told it may be more likely that C-USA adds two teams to grow to 14. The additions: TCU and Temple.12 minutes ago via web

The Temple/TCU is one of the other scenarios we have heard recently. A lot of this could hinge on the decision that BYU plans to make. The news of the C-USA/MWC merger with a play-in championship game for a birth in a one of the BCS games might keep BYU interested to stay on board instead of going independent. I think thats why the BYU going independent talk has quieted down since the news broke. Make no mistake about it, both CUSA and MWC are trying to gain BCS bowl bids. My hunch is that the two of them will work together to get it done.

Last Edited: 8/22/2010 9:57:06 AM by WeAreMarshall

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RE: Time for the MAC to...

Posted: 8/22/2010 10:08:46 AM

Bert Presley wrote:

Just a question for you-is Ohio among the best of the MAC?

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Posted: 8/22/2010 10:41:49 AM

colobobcat66 wrote:

Bert Presley wrote:

Just a question for you-is Ohio among the best of the MAC?

CMU is probably the most coveted MAC school, if any of them are coveted. After that I don't know what other schools would be above us.

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Posted: 8/22/2010 11:19:55 AM

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

colobobcat66 wrote:

Bert Presley wrote:

Just a question for you-is Ohio among the best of the MAC?

CMU is probably the most coveted MAC school, if any of them are coveted. After that I don't know what other schools would be above us.

If we're talking football, I'd have to say that Miami, Toledo and Bowling Green are ahead of us. They have much more of a winning tradition over the last 25-30 years and have better facilities. Facitilty-wise we're not even in the same ballpark as those schools.

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RE: Time for the MAC to...

Posted: 8/22/2010 11:22:44 AM

I know this is not going to be a popular opinion on this board but I think we need to stop pointing the finger at the MAC as the culprit. If you think its crucial for Ohio to move to another conference why is it that Boise State has a preseason #3 ranking out of the WAC which may be the very worst conference in college football? They've been able to run through that conference every year and pick up some Fiesta Bowl victories in the process. Twenty years ago I would have said the MAC was holding Ohio back when it was 1 bowl and no television. The opportunites are there today we have to take advantage. Ohio needs to do what Boise State has done by winning and building up its financial support.

To address another issue is whether Peden Stadium is sufficient to attract a fan following, again here I would have said 20 years ago it wasn't up to par. I know parents who have gone on college tours recently asking about the football team that plays in that big stadium. The structure is of a 40,000 seat stadium if the endzones were filled in with seats (granted thats not the case). Its a major college caliber stadium. The biggest need I see is more premium seating for the stadium. Redeck the main grandstands and eliminate that annoying causeway in front of the first row, two more rows of seats can be fitted in. What should be done is installing benchbacks in the first 10 rows like the Phillips Club. I think you could fit 2,000 more seats within the main grandstand by reducing wasted space. Raise the new rows higher to improve the line of sight to the field. I can't think this would cost very much in today's economy compared with other ideas like the Indoor Practice Facility which given that other MAC schools have them is not reflected by greatly improved recruiting (think Western Michigan here). Down the road if the OHIO makes a couple of BCS bowls then a major improvement like an IPF would be justified.

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RE: Time for the MAC to...

Posted: 8/22/2010 11:40:16 AM

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

colobobcat66 wrote:

Bert Presley wrote:

Just a question for you-is Ohio among the best of the MAC?

CMU is probably the most coveted MAC school, if any of them are coveted. After that I don't know what other schools would be above us.

I disagree with you completely on this. Miami has only one MAC championship in the last 25 years and that one is now 7 or 8 years ago. Overall Peden Stadium is a better facility than BG's, particularly the grounds and the tailgating park. Its an awesome setting for college football. Tradition really is what a program has done in the last 5-10 years. Boise State as an example is regarded as having a lot of tradition and they didn't have WAC titles in the 80's. They have a tradition of playing on TV, earning top 25 rankings over the last 5-10 years. TCU is the same way, the program was on life support drawing 12,000 a game in the early 80's. Where is TCU today? Colorado State was the top MWC/WAC teams in the 90's with top 20 rankings only to be reduced to the level of Wyoming in recent years. Things change. I can tell you though the most coveted school in the MAC right now is Temple with its large Philadelphia market and a program that is building tradition.

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