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Virginia Tech and Northwestern come to mind. Seems it made economic sense for Duke this year as well. Great coach and representative. Love it. Back to Top Recovering Journalist General User Member Since: 8/17/2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Post Count: 1,852 Status: Offline     RE: I...LOVE...David...Cutcliffe....    Posted: 9/1/2010 9:58:09 PM  I think we're all frustrated to miss out on great non-conference home games, but most of us are realistic. And before you become apoplectic about my contentment with "mediocrity," tell me: Do you honestly believe that our program has the finances to turn down $500,000+ paydays any time soon? Answer with your head, not your heart. Despite your saber-rattling and threats to stop donating, I think we all know you're a true fan. But Duke? Duke is what you hold up as a realistic example to emulate? They're a wealthy private school and their athletic budget is more than $71 million -- and breaks even thanks to hoops and licensing. They play in the ACC. Their stadium seats 39,000. The university is in a large, growing affluent community. Yeah, they're just like us. I wish everyone had the passion you do about Ohio athletics. I actually enjoy your posts (even the ones where you froth at the mouth). It's good to have people pushing for excellence, but I cannot understand your implacable schedule anger. Last Edited: 9/1/2010 9:58:55 PM by Recovering Journalist Back to Top Chimokee General User Member Since: 8/13/2006 Post Count: 29 Status: Offline     RE: I...LOVE...David...Cutcliffe....    Posted: 9/2/2010 12:00:04 AM  Recovering Journalist wrote: I think we're all frustrated to miss out on great non-conference home games, but most of us are realistic. And before you become apoplectic about my contentment with "mediocrity," tell me: Do you honestly believe that our program has the finances to turn down $500,000+ paydays any time soon? Answer with your head, not your heart. Despite your saber-rattling and threats to stop donating, I think we all know you're a true fan. But Duke? Duke is what you hold up as a realistic example to emulate? They're a wealthy private school and their athletic budget is more than $71 million -- and breaks even thanks to hoops and licensing. They play in the ACC. Their stadium seats 39,000. The university is in a large, growing affluent community. Yeah, they're just like us. I wish everyone had the passion you do about Ohio athletics. I actually enjoy your posts (even the ones where you froth at the mouth). It's good to have people pushing for excellence, but I cannot understand your implacable schedule anger. Damn, you're good!! Nebraskan For Ohio Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: I...LOVE...David...Cutcliffe....    Posted: 9/2/2010 2:44:26 AM  What's the point of this post really.  There's no comparison to OHIO's situation. You're Love game face ready to rant as we're a couple days away from Woffy?!  In the same vein--well, actually a much bigger, mainstream, makes-sense one--I'm ready to slam back at your inappropriate fantasies.  Whatever that means. The Love, it's time to put all schedule regret aside and slam hard rootin' for the 'Cats.  The better we do, the more substantial we are and you help us become, the closer we should get to the kind of sched that you want. Do you have your Wofford game face on? Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top Flomo-genized General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 574 Status: Offline     RE: I...LOVE...David...Cutcliffe....    Posted: 9/2/2010 8:15:04 AM  Recovering Journalist wrote: I think we're all frustrated to miss out on great non-conference home games, but most of us are realistic. And before you become apoplectic about my contentment with "mediocrity," tell me: Do you honestly believe that our program has the finances to turn down $500,000+ paydays any time soon? Answer with your head, not your heart. We are turning down 3 of those types of paydays every season through 2015.  We only have one big guarantee game scheduled for each of the next 6 seasons.  We have decided to turn down big paydays to play the likes of Idaho, North Texas, and New Mexico State, not to mention a series of I-AA opponents at home. Last Edited: 9/2/2010 9:51:43 AM by Flomo-genized Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,499 Status: Offline     RE: I...LOVE...David...Cutcliffe....    Posted: 9/2/2010 6:22:39 PM  Monroe Slavin, CPA wrote: What's the point of this post really.  There's no comparison to OHIO's situation.... Actually there is a direct comparison. Duke went ahead and kept the home game, and was able to leverage it into massive season ticket sales. Ohio had the same opportunity, first with Pittsburgh, and then with U.Conn. They were able to fill the stadium both times, but only by discounting tickets, and the interest in that single game did not translate into season ticket sales. Having made the comparison, we can either choose to ignore the results and pretend that the Ohio situation is the same as Duke, or we can look at alternative possible solutions. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top Brian Smith (No, not that one) General User Member Since: 2/3/2005 Post Count: 3,019 Status: Offline     RE: I...LOVE...David...Cutcliffe....    Posted: 9/3/2010 2:31:20 PM  And it also shows why you should never undercut your pricing model by practically giving away tickets to games like UConn. It didn't breed loyalty later in the season and it made our reasonable ticket prices seem steep the rest of the season.  If your tickets are only worth $10 against a Big East school, what are they worth against Kent State or Akron? $3? Back to Top Tim Burke General User Member Since: 11/23/2004 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Post Count: 607 Status: Offline     RE: I...LOVE...David...Cutcliffe....    Posted: 9/3/2010 8:42:15 PM  Brian Smith wrote: And it also shows why you should never undercut your pricing model by practically giving away tickets to games like UConn. It didn't breed loyalty later in the season and it made our reasonable ticket prices seem steep the rest of the season.  If your tickets are only worth $10 against a Big East school, what are they worth against Kent State or Akron? $3? All tickets should be sold at a price low enough that the attendance is (capacity - 1).  Ohio '99 EMU '00 USF '08(?) Back to Top Athens Block General User Member Since: 7/15/2010 Post Count: 201 Status: Offline     RE: I...LOVE...David...Cutcliffe....    Posted: 9/3/2010 9:23:51 PM  L.C. wrote: Monroe Slavin, CPA wrote: What's the point of this post really.  There's no comparison to OHIO's situation.... Actually there is a direct comparison. Duke went ahead and kept the home game, and was able to leverage it into massive season ticket sales. Ohio had the same opportunity, first with Pittsburgh, and then with U.Conn. They were able to fill the stadium both times, but only by discounting tickets, and the interest in that single game did not translate into season ticket sales. Having made the comparison, we can either choose to ignore the results and pretend that the Ohio situation is the same as Duke, or we can look at alternative possible solutions. I usually agree with you LC, but I think you're a little off here... UCONN and Alabama are absolutely no comparison.  Last year's UCONN at normal prices would draw a touch better than Kent State, it's not even in the same universe as the following Alabama has, especially the year after winning a National Championship...  UCONN was our only chance to fill a stadium last year, and the $5 tickets did that...  Had we won the game, I'd imagine we would have seen a bit more loyalty throughout the season... but... what breeds loyalty?  Wins... wins, wins, wins, wins, wins... lots of em... in consecutive years... Back to Top Brian Smith (No, not that one) General User Member Since: 2/3/2005 Post Count: 3,019 Status: Offline     RE: I...LOVE...David...Cutcliffe....    Posted: 9/4/2010 2:23:20 AM  Tim Burke wrote: Brian Smith wrote: And it also shows why you should never undercut your pricing model by practically giving away tickets to games like UConn. It didn't breed loyalty later in the season and it made our reasonable ticket prices seem steep the rest of the season.  If your tickets are only worth $10 against a Big East school, what are they worth against Kent State or Akron? $3? All tickets should be sold at a price low enough that the attendance is (capacity - 1).  So the Cleveland Indians should be selling tickets for $1 five rows up? If your product is not valued, you have to charge the very few who do value it a little bit more to subsidize the continuance of it. If OU football games are only worth $10 of entertainment to the fans who go to Peden, the program is insolvent. And if we didn't put the ticket prices in the student fees, it really would be insolvent. I look at ticket sales like online newspapers. If you give people something for free, they expect it to be free evermore. They then feel like you've ripped them off when you ask for money for access to articles or actually ask them to pay a reasonable amount to watch a Division I football game. UConn screwed up people's perceptions about the worth of an OU football game. They're still comparing that deal to paying $20 for watching OU play Wofford in their minds. I know that because my own father complained to me.  He, the cheapest man in the world,  and my mom went to last year's home opener for $20.  Going to a WOFFORD GAME (as he expasperated into my ear on the cell phone yesterday) is costing him more than that. He found it strange. I told him to shut up and pay it, in kinder terms than that. I value Ohio football, so I don't think it's unreasonable to pay up to $35 per ticket to watch it play at Peden. You can't make money with penny candy if the customer dislikes the flavor. So you have to find out who values the product by charging more....and yes, bringing in better competition to merit the hike. Over the last half decade the Ohio football program has charged less for its marquee games and more for its crappier games. That's just backwards. UConn was a game worth paying $35 for...so why did people get in for $10? Last Edited: 9/4/2010 2:29:21 AM by Brian Smith (No, not that one) Back to Top Athens Block General User Member Since: 7/15/2010 Post Count: 201 Status: Offline     RE: I...LOVE...David...Cutcliffe....    Posted: 9/4/2010 11:58:35 AM  Brian Smith wrote: UConn was a game worth paying $35 for...so why did people get in for $10? It's called sampling.  UCONN was a chance to get literally thousands of people in the door who wouldn't normally come.  Those people are absolutely not going to pay $35 to come see a 4-8 team (which we were at the time) play a mediocre Big East program.  By letting them in the door at a reduced rate it gives them a chance to see what the product is all about.  If they enjoy it (again... if we WIN...this all boils down to wins) then several of them come back because they had such a great time.  We need fans at this point... we need lots of them, and offering reduced rates to get them in the building is a great way to do it... I never thought I'd see the day that people were complaining about a $5 ticket...   Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: I...LOVE...David...Cutcliffe....    Posted: 9/4/2010 1:01:58 PM  Both sides are correct:  Pricing tickets too cheaply sets a perception of what they are worth, making higher prices after a discount a mental barrier to further purchases ('why so expensive now?!').  But prices do have to be low enough to get people in, to produce revenue for the program. So, it's a balancing act.  Which means, in America, that you'll get carped at by both sides and be regarded as 100% wrong no matter how you price the tickets. As many of us have posted so often, the real answer is probably in winning.  That should solve a host of pricing and quality of opponent issues. So, what's the immediate solution for you?  Back the Bobcats! Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! 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