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Author Message colobobcat66 General User Member Since: 9/1/2006 Location: Watching the bobcats run outside my window., CO Post Count: 4,552 Status: Offline     The Big East-What a joke!    Posted: 9/7/2010 3:23:46 PM  The wackiest thing  about the whole BCS thing is that the Big East is a BCS conference in football.  Year in and year out it is hard to say that they even have 1 team in the top 10.  After this year, when it's not likely that they have any teams with even just 1 loss and more than likely 2 losses, why do they qualify a team to a BCS bowl?   The system is broken and the fact that the Big East is a BCS conference proves it as much as anything.  They only have 8 teams so they can share the wealth-what a crock!  Well at least Syracuse beat Akron so they must be great. Back to Top Bert Presley General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Where OHIO is winning and Miami is getting whipped, OH Post Count: 370 Status: Offline     RE: The Big East-What a joke!    Posted: 9/7/2010 4:35:46 PM  I urge that we join the Big Easy, I mean East. I am and forever will be the Wizard of OU. DocBobcat was my Principal; and is still one cool Cat. OHIO BOBCATS 2011,2012 MAC EAST FOOTBALL CHAMPIONS                                2012 Independence Bowl Champions                                2012 Famous Idaho Potato Bowl Champions                                2011 MAC Tournament Champions (Field Hockey)                                2012 MAC Tournament Champions (Mens Basketball)                                2012 NCAA Tournament Sweet 16 (Mens Basketball)                                  Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,209 Status: Offline     RE: The Big East-What a joke!    Posted: 9/7/2010 5:13:10 PM  Big East has one advantage over all the other BCS conferences in that they've hand picked every member since the early 90's. There are no Duke's or Baylors hopelessly weighing the league down. The overall strength of the conference is then high and with 2 top 25 finishers every year they come out looking okay with only 8 members. With all the changes possible in upcomming years most of the BE might end up joining another BCS conference and what is left will not even be worth OHIO's time. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top colobobcat66 General User Member Since: 9/1/2006 Location: Watching the bobcats run outside my window., CO Post Count: 4,552 Status: Offline     RE: The Big East-What a joke!    Posted: 9/7/2010 6:25:48 PM  I'm not so sure about no bottom dwellers-how about Syracuse.  It seems the last time they were a factor in football they had Ernie Davis.  USF, Rutgers and U Conn are both fairly new to big time football with no history to speak of.  Big markets is all I see.  Louisville had a few good years-what have they done lately. I just don't get it. Last Edited: 9/7/2010 6:26:17 PM by colobobcat66 Back to Top John C. Wanamaker General User Member Since: 1/2/2005 Post Count: 1,103 Status: Offline     RE: The Big East-What a joke!    Posted: 9/7/2010 7:00:32 PM  Wes wrote: Big East has one advantage over all the other BCS conferences in that they've hand picked every member since the early 90's. There are no Duke's or Baylors hopelessly weighing the league down. The overall strength of the conference is then high and with 2 top 25 finishers every year they come out looking okay with only 8 members. With all the changes possible in upcomming years most of the BE might end up joining another BCS conference and what is left will not even be worth OHIO's time. SI rates Syracuse as the worse DI BCS program, I think the anchor around their neck is a tad heavier than Duke or Baylor. "Half the money I spend on advertising is wasted; the trouble is I don't know which half." Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,456 Status: Offline     RE: The Big East-What a joke!    Posted: 9/7/2010 7:34:35 PM  John C. Wanamaker wrote: Wes wrote: Big East has one advantage over all the other BCS conferences in that they've hand picked every member since the early 90's. There are no Duke's or Baylors hopelessly weighing the league down. The overall strength of the conference is then high and with 2 top 25 finishers every year they come out looking okay with only 8 members. With all the changes possible in upcomming years most of the BE might end up joining another BCS conference and what is left will not even be worth OHIO's time. SI rates Syracuse as the worse DI BCS program, I think the anchor around their neck is a tad heavier than Duke or Baylor. Agreed here. Baylor and Duke have realistic shots at bowl games this year. Syracuse and Louisville are still rebuilding. On the other hand, six out of the eight teams in the conference went to bowl games last year. However, most of the wins were from beating up on each other, and not necessarily OOC schedules. They did go 2-2 in bowls against other BCS conferences though. I dont think they are as bad as people think, but dont throw Baylor and Duke under the bus when Louisville and Syracuse have their own problems. Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,209 Status: Offline     RE: The Big East-What a joke!    Posted: 9/7/2010 9:27:25 PM  If I were to take a look at the last decade of football I would say that Syracuse and Louisville have been more on the level of UNC and NCState in football than Duke and Wake. Syracuse was the number 2 eastern power behind Penn State for many years. Louisville for all their recent shortfalls on the football field opened an expanded to 55,000 Papa John's stadium this year. Ohio is playing a money game at this expanded stadium in a couple of seasons. In the 90's the Big East was like the Mountain West with Miami, VT, and usually Syracuse in the top 3 but many schools struggling to put 25,000 in the stands. They only had 3 or 4 bowl tie-ins the fact that the conference even was accepted into the BCS was highly questioned but justified with Miami Fl and its relationship to the Orange Bowl BCS game. Programs like Rutgers and Temple were never in major conferences before and they couldn't put 15,000 in the house. BCS status began to help recruiting and suddenly the middle part of the football conference became a lot better around 2001-2002 with Pitt, WVU, Boston College stepping up and becoming regular 8 win teams. Miami, VT, BC leave in 2004-05 but the Big East also cuts Temple which helps Rutgers take off and they've become in their own right 50,000 a game draw. UConn comes into the Big East off the bat as a 40,000 draw. When you are considering defining a conference as a major  player it doesn't hurt that Pitt, Syracuse, UConn and Louisville are at the very top of the basketball world. Compare them overall in football and basketball to say Oregon State, Mississippi, Texas Tech, Kansas State and I would say the Big East schools have better brands. Cincinnati is the weakest football draw in the BE at 35,000 right now but they've got national basketball titles. I would put their total brand value over a Wake Forest or Miss St. Adding Cincinnati and Louisville to the Big East over East Carolina was a good move brand wise for the conference and that is the strategy. Its a conference with 8 mid level BCS football programs but with very top level basketball.  Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,456 Status: Offline     RE: The Big East-What a joke!    Posted: 9/7/2010 10:54:39 PM  Wes wrote: If I were to take a look at the last decade of football I would say that Syracuse and Louisville have been more on the level of UNC and NCState in football than Duke and Wake. Syracuse was the number 2 eastern power behind Penn State for many years. Louisville for all their recent shortfalls on the football field opened an expanded to 55,000 Papa John's stadium this year. Ohio is playing a money game at this expanded stadium in a couple of seasons. In the 90's the Big East was like the Mountain West with Miami, VT, and usually Syracuse in the top 3 but many schools struggling to put 25,000 in the stands. They only had 3 or 4 bowl tie-ins the fact that the conference even was accepted into the BCS was highly questioned but justified with Miami Fl and its relationship to the Orange Bowl BCS game. Programs like Rutgers and Temple were never in major conferences before and they couldn't put 15,000 in the house. BCS status began to help recruiting and suddenly the middle part of the football conference became a lot better around 2001-2002 with Pitt, WVU, Boston College stepping up and becoming regular 8 win teams. Miami, VT, BC leave in 2004-05 but the Big East also cuts Temple which helps Rutgers take off and they've become in their own right 50,000 a game draw. UConn comes into the Big East off the bat as a 40,000 draw. When you are considering defining a conference as a major  player it doesn't hurt that Pitt, Syracuse, UConn and Louisville are at the very top of the basketball world. Compare them overall in football and basketball to say Oregon State, Mississippi, Texas Tech, Kansas State and I would say the Big East schools have better brands. Cincinnati is the weakest football draw in the BE at 35,000 right now but they've got national basketball titles. I would put their total brand value over a Wake Forest or Miss St. Adding Cincinnati and Louisville to the Big East over East Carolina was a good move brand wise for the conference and that is the strategy. Its a conference with 8 mid level BCS football programs but with very top level basketball.  There lies the problem. When Miami, VT, and Boston College bolted for the ACC, the Big East pretty much was sent to the back of the line. Miami won their BCS title while in the Big East in 2001. VT got to the title game only to lose in 1999. Since, the conference really hasn't done much. Sure, Cincy went undefeated two years in a row only to get beat twice. I think they need to get Boston College back IMO. They dont really belong in the ACC anyways. At least it will bring back another decent football school you can hang your hat on. Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,209 Status: Offline     RE: The Big East-What a joke!    Posted: 9/7/2010 11:18:30 PM  GoCats105 wrote: Wes wrote: If I were to take a look at the last decade of football I would say that Syracuse and Louisville have been more on the level of UNC and NCState in football than Duke and Wake. Syracuse was the number 2 eastern power behind Penn State for many years. Louisville for all their recent shortfalls on the football field opened an expanded to 55,000 Papa John's stadium this year. Ohio is playing a money game at this expanded stadium in a couple of seasons. In the 90's the Big East was like the Mountain West with Miami, VT, and usually Syracuse in the top 3 but many schools struggling to put 25,000 in the stands. They only had 3 or 4 bowl tie-ins the fact that the conference even was accepted into the BCS was highly questioned but justified with Miami Fl and its relationship to the Orange Bowl BCS game. Programs like Rutgers and Temple were never in major conferences before and they couldn't put 15,000 in the house. BCS status began to help recruiting and suddenly the middle part of the football conference became a lot better around 2001-2002 with Pitt, WVU, Boston College stepping up and becoming regular 8 win teams. Miami, VT, BC leave in 2004-05 but the Big East also cuts Temple which helps Rutgers take off and they've become in their own right 50,000 a game draw. UConn comes into the Big East off the bat as a 40,000 draw. When you are considering defining a conference as a major  player it doesn't hurt that Pitt, Syracuse, UConn and Louisville are at the very top of the basketball world. Compare them overall in football and basketball to say Oregon State, Mississippi, Texas Tech, Kansas State and I would say the Big East schools have better brands. Cincinnati is the weakest football draw in the BE at 35,000 right now but they've got national basketball titles. I would put their total brand value over a Wake Forest or Miss St. Adding Cincinnati and Louisville to the Big East over East Carolina was a good move brand wise for the conference and that is the strategy. Its a conference with 8 mid level BCS football programs but with very top level basketball.  There lies the problem. When Miami, VT, and Boston College bolted for the ACC, the Big East pretty much was sent to the back of the line. Miami won their BCS title while in the Big East in 2001. VT got to the title game only to lose in 1999. Since, the conference really hasn't done much. Sure, Cincy went undefeated two years in a row only to get beat twice. I think they need to get Boston College back IMO. They dont really belong in the ACC anyways. At least it will bring back another decent football school you can hang your hat on. Pitt and WVU stepped it up in the 2001-02 time frame and that really helped ease the transition when Miami and VT left. South Florida and Louisville also walked into the Big East at the top 25 level. The Big East lucked out really that everyone began to pull their weight. With the way the BCS rules are scripted the gap between the Big East and the non-BCS conferences is large enough that they don't have to worry about the MAC or CUSA taking their seat at the table. They could actually take on a couple of project football schools like a Memphis as strong as what they are top to bottom at this point and give them 5 years to bring recruiting up to BCS par. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,499 Status: Offline     RE: The Big East-What a joke!    Posted: 9/8/2010 1:41:12 AM  Wes wrote: B.... There are no Duke's or Baylors hopelessly weighing the league down. The overall strength of the conference is then high....... Per this week's Sagarin Predictor numbers: Duke - 67.18 Baylor - 70.38 From the Big East: U. Conn - 65.89 Louisville - 67.52 Cincinatti - 69.52 Average Ratings By Conference for BCS Conferences: SE 79.41 B12 - 77.83 B12 - 77.17 P10 - 76.74 ACC - 76.55 Big East - 72.41 The Big East does have teams comparable to Duke and Baylor, and the overall strength of the conference is low compared to the other BCS conferences. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,209 Status: Offline     RE: The Big East-What a joke!    Posted: 9/8/2010 9:01:55 AM  L.C. wrote: Wes wrote: B.... There are no Duke's or Baylors hopelessly weighing the league down. The overall strength of the conference is then high....... Per this week's Sagarin Predictor numbers: Duke - 67.18 Baylor - 70.38 From the Big East: U. Conn - 65.89 Louisville - 67.52 Cincinatti - 69.52 Average Ratings By Conference for BCS Conferences: SE 79.41 B12 - 77.83 B12 - 77.17 P10 - 76.74 ACC - 76.55 Big East - 72.41 The Big East does have teams comparable to Duke and Baylor, and the overall strength of the conference is low compared to the other BCS conferences. That is this week after week 1. What have the numbers looked like over the past 4-5 years. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top John C. Wanamaker General User Member Since: 1/2/2005 Post Count: 1,103 Status: Offline     RE: The Big East-What a joke!    Posted: 9/8/2010 9:51:38 AM  Good article on the Sagarin Ratings for the Conferences and how the Bowls played out last season. http://www.azcentral.com/sports/heatindex/articles/2010/0... "Half the money I spend on advertising is wasted; the trouble is I don't know which half." Back to Top TheRealMikeDrake General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Delaware, OH Post Count: 300 Status: Offline     RE: The Big East-What a joke!    Posted: 9/8/2010 11:22:29 AM  Thanks for the link, I always enjoy the articles about the computer rankings. But, isn't this a little bit of weak (simplistic?) interpretation?  *I would argue the computer rankings (specifically the one questioned here, Sagarin) are more tailored for rankings teams, and the conference rankings are secondary.  The top 10 teams last year according to Sagarin were Bama, Florida, Texas, TCU, Boise, OSU, Va Tech, Cincy, Iowa, and Penn st.  I would say that's probably pretty close to accurate (for the record TCU and Boise are les than a point different from each other).  *What bragging rights does highest rated (or best) conference garner?  That doesn't equate to best team, just strongest average of team or lowest number of pushovers relative to conference size. *To choose a small sample size to disprove the ratings is just a bad idea to begin with.  Especially when bowls for the most part are just a mish-mash of teams, and teams don't do on to advance and play other teams. Computers are always going to be flawed.  The good models account for what they can.  Home field, relative score within reason, when teams play, how the game was played.  There are always going to be intangibles that can't be accounted for, I grant you that.  However I prefer systematic grading over the human element any day of the week to eliminate the subjectivity. Back to Top Showing Replies:   1 - 13  of 13 Posts Jump to Page:   1 View Other 'Ohio Football' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 306 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 304 Guests 2 Registered Users:   oupaw, shabamon There are no other users looking at this page.

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