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brucecuth
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  Message Not Read  mike mitchell and the dysfunctional raiders....
   Posted: 9/5/2010 11:12:52 AM 
from profootballtalk.com...

Remember Mike Mitchell?  He was the No. 47 overall pick in the 2009 draft, the safety from Ohio University that Mike Mayock and the rest of the nation of draftniks thought Oakland took about five rounds too early.

On Saturday, Mitchell was reportedly the subject of a behind-the-scenes battle between Raiders owner Al Davis and the team's coaching staff.  We'll let you guess who won.

Let's back the story up for a minute.  2010 Seventh-round Raiders safety Stevie Brown practiced on Saturday. He spoke with the media about making the team.  But when the Raiders officially released their cuts Saturday afternoon, they still had one move left to make.

Here's where it gets fun.

A former Raiders employee-turned Florida radio host Andy Slater said that Brown was going to get the axe on his Twitter page.  This was hours before he news came out.  He also reported that "everyone in the organization" except Al Davis wanted to cut Mitchell instead of Brown.   Davis essentially wanted to avoid the P.R. hit and admit he made such a big mistake last year.  (Maybe Davis told them Mitchell "is a great player. Get over it.")

Jerry McDonald of the Oakland Tribune breaks down the timeline of Slater's tweets, which are fascinating. It's hard to doubt him when he nailed the news before it happened.

Apparently the coaching staff pushed hard for Brown, who also has impressed teammates. But after the Raiders couldn't find a taker for Mitchell in a trade, they cut Brown.  (Even if they didn't officially mention it on their website until very late last night.)

"Let me be clear, for those tweeting me on Mitchell/Raiders, coaches do NOT want him. Addition by subtraction," Slater wrote.

But as we know, coaches don't always get what they want. Especially in Oakland. 

Just another day in Raider Nation.
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John C. Wanamaker
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  Message Not Read  RE: mike mitchell and the dysfunctional raiders....
   Posted: 9/5/2010 12:05:35 PM 
Must be a nice working environment.


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  Message Not Read  RE: mike mitchell and the dysfunctional raiders....
   Posted: 9/5/2010 1:39:02 PM 
Twitter as a news source . . . about one step below Wikipedia.   A sad commentary on the state of American sports journalism as we begin the second decade of the 21st Century.  


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  Message Not Read  RE: mike mitchell and the dysfunctional raiders....
   Posted: 9/5/2010 1:46:03 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Twitter as a news source . . . about one step below Wikipedia.   A sad commentary on the state of American sports journalism as we begin the second decade of the 21st Century.  


I wouldn't necessarily go that far. Twitter is a great resource for news, depending on who you follow that is. It's actually a pretty handy tool for today's society. Instead of having to wait until after the game to get a news story, a writer can tweet during the game in real time. Why does everyone hate on Twitter so much?
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  Message Not Read  RE: mike mitchell and the dysfunctional raiders....
   Posted: 9/5/2010 1:46:59 PM 
This is actually a mainstream media story now.  And for twitter and the like, have to love technology as it is changing the game in the reporting industry.


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  Message Not Read  RE: mike mitchell and the dysfunctional raiders....
   Posted: 9/5/2010 1:57:45 PM 
Twitter is actually becoming a viable news source.  As an online journalism major, we spent a lot of time in my Online Journalism Fundamentals class discussing how we have to adapt to Twitter and how we can use it to break news.  One other thing we talked about is how despite many of their glaring ethics flaws, ESPN is probably the forerunner in terms of Twitter usage, and how a journalism outlet can use Twitter for good. 


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  Message Not Read  RE: mike mitchell and the dysfunctional raiders....
   Posted: 9/5/2010 2:00:03 PM 
Just consider the majors available in the JSchool.  Most kids are moving into the Online J, Broadcast, PR, and Magazine fields.  I don't know anyone personally in the JSchool who is in Newspapers/Editing.  Not to mention, the curriculum is going to be changing here soon to incorporate social media use in ALL majors.  It's time. 


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  Message Not Read  RE: mike mitchell and the dysfunctional raiders....
   Posted: 9/5/2010 2:05:53 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Twitter as a news source . . . about one step below Wikipedia.   A sad commentary on the state of American sports journalism as we begin the second decade of the 21st Century.  


I wouldn't necessarily go that far. Twitter is a great resource for news, depending on who you follow that is. It's actually a pretty handy tool for today's society. Instead of having to wait until after the game to get a news story, a writer can tweet during the game in real time. Why does everyone hate on Twitter so much?


It's very useful for getting information fast. Journalists are tweeting now, what you'll read from their articles tomorrow. I think the guy sitting next to me/TRMD/jdrake probably thought we were silly for playing on the phones during time-outs, but I'm sure he appreciated knowing real-time why Bates was out, etc.

Any guesses on average age of twitter users vs average age of twitter haters? I think you'll see something there.


Last Edited: 9/5/2010 2:10:39 PM by mcbin

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John C. Wanamaker
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  Message Not Read  RE: mike mitchell and the dysfunctional raiders....
   Posted: 9/5/2010 2:10:10 PM 
Maybe it is a generational thing, I hear OCF's VCR still flashes 12:00

Last Edited: 9/5/2010 2:17:22 PM by John C. Wanamaker


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  Message Not Read  RE: mike mitchell and the dysfunctional raiders....
   Posted: 9/5/2010 2:11:55 PM 
Two problems with Twit.  First, anyone can do it so difficult to tell, perhaps, legit journalists from quacks or those with an axe to grind.  Second, won't it...isn't it...killing long form, in depth journalism.  Many issues are interesting, nuanced and/or worthy of deep explanation.  Speed and shallow vs. in-depth seems to be leading to a dumbing down of America and the world as well as allowing for strident, single issue politics.


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  Message Not Read  RE: mike mitchell and the dysfunctional raiders....
   Posted: 9/5/2010 2:17:03 PM 
For the record, I don't "hate Twitter."  I even have an account.  I don't use it very much, though.  I just don't think it's always a very reliable way to get accurate information.  It is very easily manipulated by the source and certainly isn't as reliable as a face-to-fact interview.  As a supplement to other ways of gathering information it does have some utility, but a story based solely on someone's tweet, as this one appears to have been, is about as accurate as your typical Wikipedia entry.  I refer to the latter as the "ever semi-accurate Wikipedia."  


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  Message Not Read  RE: mike mitchell and the dysfunctional raiders....
   Posted: 9/5/2010 2:33:13 PM 
Monroe Slavin, CPA wrote:
Two problems with Twit.  First, anyone can do it so difficult to tell, perhaps, legit journalists from quacks or those with an axe to grind.  Second, won't it...isn't it...killing long form, in depth journalism.  Many issues are interesting, nuanced and/or worthy of deep explanation.  Speed and shallow vs. in-depth seems to be leading to a dumbing down of America and the world as well as allowing for strident, single issue politics.


It's easily to validate a Jason Arkley, Caleb Troop, Brian Boesch, etc.  Ben's point about Bates hand and Arkley's tweet is spot on.  We're more informed, isn't that better than the alternative? 

Long-form is still out there.  If it's an interesting enough topic, it will still be read.  And there will probably be a tweet with a link to let people know the minute its published.
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  Message Not Read  RE: mike mitchell and the dysfunctional raiders....
   Posted: 9/5/2010 3:07:57 PM 
I'm surprise that the conversation that sprang from this post is about Twitter, and not the part where a former Bobcat that we lie to tout when recruiting future Bobcats, is turning about to be a bust.


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  Message Not Read  RE: mike mitchell and the dysfunctional raiders....
   Posted: 9/5/2010 4:53:09 PM 
Maybe ignorance is bliss!


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  Message Not Read  RE: mike mitchell and the dysfunctional raiders....
   Posted: 9/5/2010 10:35:58 PM 
Fascinating story.  I am not at all surprised by any of it (Mitchell not being worth a 2nd round pick, Al Davis getting in the coaches way, etc)


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