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Topic:  Let the budget fun begin: Round 2
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John C. Wanamaker
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  Message Not Read  Let the budget fun begin: Round 2
   Posted: 10/1/2010 1:36:04 PM 
Allueded to in yesterday's thread, the State is suspending payments to Universities.  Ohio Universities loss 9.2 Million of budgeted revenue gone!

http://thepost.baker.ohiou.edu/main.asp?SectionID=1&S...


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  Message Not Read  RE: Let the budget fun begin: Round 2
   Posted: 10/1/2010 2:07:58 PM 
Well, the article certainly leaves open the possibility that the payment may not be "gone" only delayed and the state shortfall might not be quite as bad as originally thought. 

Here are two relevant quotes:

"We have known about (the delay) since June, so we've been planning for it," said Becky Watts, chief of staff to OU President Roderick McDavis. "We remain hopeful that it will just be a delay, and we've put some savings measures into place ... that have made it possible to handle the delay."


Rob Evans, press secretary for the Ohio Board of Regents, said the $127.5 million funding delay might be reduced further as the economy continues to recover.

"The initial plan for this lapse payment was supposed to be ... about $150 million," he said. "Over the last couple of months, (the state) reduced that and as the economy starts to show signs of recovery, we fully expect that (the state) might be able to reduce it further at every instance possible."


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  Message Not Read  RE: Let the budget fun begin: Round 2
   Posted: 10/1/2010 2:24:37 PM 
Cut printing services and parking services.  After that we can talk about some cuts that would actually affect the quality of our University.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Let the budget fun begin: Round 2
   Posted: 10/1/2010 2:35:27 PM 
Suspending the cheerleading team for two games saves about $100 in travel costs. That really puts a dent in the budget savings.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Let the budget fun begin: Round 2
   Posted: 10/1/2010 2:44:44 PM 
You won't save a dime cutting printing services.  Coming from a 27 year veteran of the printing industry, they can do it much cheaper than they could contract it out.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Let the budget fun begin: Round 2
   Posted: 10/1/2010 2:46:56 PM 
I do not characterize verbage like "may" and "hopeful" to be promising.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Let the budget fun begin: Round 2
   Posted: 10/1/2010 2:49:30 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
You won't save a dime cutting printing services.  Coming from a 27 year veteran of the printing industry, they can do it much cheaper than they could contract it out.


That's assuming what is being printed actually needs to be printed.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Let the budget fun begin: Round 2
   Posted: 10/1/2010 2:57:44 PM 
Can't disagree on the volume of printed material.   Here's one cost savings idea - merge and purge the mailing lists.  My wife, son and I all get the same mailings at the same address on many university mailings.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Let the budget fun begin: Round 2
   Posted: 10/1/2010 3:05:29 PM 

I have concluded that the state is killing the school. I'm not saying strictly from underfunding its public universities which is only about 20% of operating costs these days. There are several doctoral programs that would thrive at this school but are not allowed by the state. That is costing Ohio University graduate tuition, skilled professors, and reputation in general. Listening to the debate on here about professional schools vs. liberal arts programs, strong professional schools are important and Ohio has them (Engineering, Business, Medical, Journalism, Education) but a lot of today's top students want progressive liberal arts programs. The reason I attended the school was that it had my professional program of choice and I could get it at a place with a quality liberal arts environment. That is why its head and shoulders above Ohio State in my mind because you can get the best of both worlds. Alan is right in that many ways its Berkley east. One thing that is lacking is community outreach which is big and a partnership for community supported agriculture. That would attract more top level progressive grad students and spit in the face of OSU's agribusiness machine. The state wants to fund Phd programs and research centers of excellence. For Ohio that is Energy and the Environment (Engineering, Sciences), Health and Wellness (Medical, Rural Outreach) and the Media (Journalism, Communication). To bolster the state economy it makes sense to distribute the money to a few focus areas, I agree with that and let the state stick its funding into higher education for research. Outside of that there is really no reason to subsidize the university for FTE undergraduates. Let Ohio University then set tuition equivalent to the lower end of private schools in the region instead of an artificially low rate for a top level university while removing any limitations on PhD programs. I know that its going to cost the average student more but they will go to OU anyway. I'm definitely for giving scholarships for needy students to offset the higher tuition too its just that the school is leaving a lot money on the table from those that can afford it. There was a time when the university had to stick with the state back in the 70's when half of the budget was coming from the legislature and the school couldn't stand on its two feet alone. Today with the attractive professional schools and the private money rolling in the state is doing more to hurt the school than help. 


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  Message Not Read  RE: Let the budget fun begin: Round 2
   Posted: 10/1/2010 3:09:48 PM 
Wes wrote:

I have concluded that the state is killing the school. I'm not saying strictly from underfunding its public universities which is only about 20% of operating costs these days. There are several doctoral programs that would thrive at this school but are not allowed by the state. That is costing Ohio University graduate tuition, skilled professors, and reputation in general. Listening to the debate on here about professional schools vs. liberal arts programs, strong professional schools are important and Ohio has them (Engineering, Business, Medical, Journalism, Education) but a lot of today's top students want progressive liberal arts programs. The reason I attended the school was that it had my professional program of choice and I could get it at a place with a quality liberal arts environment. That is why its head and shoulders above Ohio State in my mind because you can get the best of both worlds. Alan is right in that many ways its Berkley east. One thing that is lacking is community outreach which is big and a partnership for community supported agriculture. That would attract more top level progressive grad students and spit in the face of OSU's agribusiness machine. The state wants to fund Phd programs and research centers of excellence. For Ohio that is Energy and the Environment (Engineering, Sciences), Health and Wellness (Medical, Rural Outreach) and the Media (Journalism, Communication). To bolster the state economy it makes sense to distribute the money to a few focus areas, I agree with that and let the state stick its funding into higher education for research. Outside of that there is really no reason to subsidize the university for FTE undergraduates. Let Ohio University then set tuition equivalent to the lower end of private schools in the region instead of an artificially low rate for a top level university while removing any limitations on PhD programs. I know that its going to cost the average student more but they will go to OU anyway. I'm definitely for giving scholarships for needy students to offset the higher tuition too its just that the school is leaving a lot money on the table from those that can afford it. There was a time when the university had to stick with the state back in the 70's when half of the budget was coming from the legislature and the school couldn't stand on its two feet alone. Today with the attractive professional schools and the private money rolling in the state is doing more to hurt the school than help. 


I have concluded that the lack of paragraph spacing is killing your posts.

Despite that, I agree with you.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Let the budget fun begin: Round 2
   Posted: 10/1/2010 3:35:19 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
You won't save a dime cutting printing services.  Coming from a 27 year veteran of the printing industry, they can do it much cheaper than they could contract it out.


There is one way we could cut costs in printing, instead of printing one page portrait you can print two pages on the same page in landscape format.  You only lose 25% of the size and is still very readable, my work is saving booku dollars every year because we switched to this style for our print journals.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Let the budget fun begin: Round 2
   Posted: 10/1/2010 4:04:31 PM 
Wes wrote:

I have concluded that the state is killing the school. I'm not saying strictly from underfunding its public universities which is only about 20% of operating costs these days. There are several doctoral programs that would thrive at this school but are not allowed by the state. That is costing Ohio University graduate tuition, skilled professors, and reputation in general. Listening to the debate on here about professional schools vs. liberal arts programs, strong professional schools are important and Ohio has them (Engineering, Business, Medical, Journalism, Education) but a lot of today's top students want progressive liberal arts programs. The reason I attended the school was that it had my professional program of choice and I could get it at a place with a quality liberal arts environment. That is why its head and shoulders above Ohio State in my mind because you can get the best of both worlds. Alan is right in that many ways its Berkley east. One thing that is lacking is community outreach which is big and a partnership for community supported agriculture. That would attract more top level progressive grad students and spit in the face of OSU's agribusiness machine. The state wants to fund Phd programs and research centers of excellence. For Ohio that is Energy and the Environment (Engineering, Sciences), Health and Wellness (Medical, Rural Outreach) and the Media (Journalism, Communication). To bolster the state economy it makes sense to distribute the money to a few focus areas, I agree with that and let the state stick its funding into higher education for research. Outside of that there is really no reason to subsidize the university for FTE undergraduates. Let Ohio University then set tuition equivalent to the lower end of private schools in the region instead of an artificially low rate for a top level university while removing any limitations on PhD programs. I know that its going to cost the average student more but they will go to OU anyway. I'm definitely for giving scholarships for needy students to offset the higher tuition too its just that the school is leaving a lot money on the table from those that can afford it. There was a time when the university had to stick with the state back in the 70's when half of the budget was coming from the legislature and the school couldn't stand on its two feet alone. Today with the attractive professional schools and the private money rolling in the state is doing more to hurt the school than help. 



For what it's worth, the University of Delaware has chose to voluntarily scale back the amount of state funding it receives over the past few years in exchange for more control over policies at the university. President Harker (graduate of the Wharton School) and his administration have been working to give the university more of a "private institution feel." This has included raising money to increase the endowment, eliminating and refocusing of some programs, and tuition increases across the board.

Rather than the tuition increases discouraging students, applications are up and the quality of applicants has increased. This year undergraduate tuition was raised by about $2,000 and in-state tuition for graduate students was completely eliminated. Now all grad students pay the same $24,000 per year.

I think OU should embrace these tactics. I understand that we want to remain accessible to southeastern Ohio residents, but there is plenty of financial aid available. I grew up in southern Ohio and was able to go to OU as an Appalachian Scholar, the scholarship that Dr. and Mrs. McDavis created for students from the Appalachian Ohio region. For those who do not receive such a scholarship federal grants and loans are widely available as long as parents can be educated about their role in filling out the FAFSA.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Let the budget fun begin: Round 2
   Posted: 10/1/2010 4:55:26 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Well, the article certainly leaves open the possibility that the payment may not be "gone" only delayed and the state shortfall might not be quite as bad as originally thought. 


I'm in the business of designing state-industry-non-profit partnerships. I will tell you that from my research the shortfalls we are seeing are only the tip of the Ice Berg. Projections across country call for massive deficits in public education over the next 5-10 years. Its not like a slight uptick in the stock market is going to get things back to business as usual with a 1995 basic business tax incentives economy. The constants moving forward are going to be government services, fixed assets (individual holdings, institutions, capital outlays), meeting human demand (food, housing, water). The days of floating the national economy on new consumer goods is going by the wayside. We are looking to a future of not just technological progress but also of progress in the quality of life. More parents will choose or be forced because of economics to stay home with their children. People are going to want to live closer together in cites and in community with one another. Society will be going back to the basics while at the same time more advanced then before. This is what I tell start up companies, to obtain funding in today's market you have to redefine partnerships. Its not enough to have great suppliers and a trendy product. Going back to the university settings, administrators keep thinking in the linear patterns that have been pervasive over the last 25 years within business cycles in ways of resource leveraging. Ohio has got to get back to the cutting edge which is what made it great from the 40's on through the 90's (innovative MIS programs). The last decade or so has been about copying what everyone else is doing and prestige is taking a hit for it.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Let the budget fun begin: Round 2
   Posted: 10/1/2010 6:59:46 PM 

Would be great to follow in Deleware's footsteps.  UD has an endowment just of $1.4 billion according to its wiki page. And, it has some huge benefactors.  OU just doesn't have that.  Way, way behind there.



 




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  Message Not Read  RE: Let the budget fun begin: Round 2
   Posted: 10/2/2010 7:19:28 AM 
Ohio69 wrote:

Would be great to follow in Deleware's footsteps.  UD has an endowment just of $1.4 billion according to its wiki page. And, it has some huge benefactors.  OU just doesn't have that.  Way, way behind there.



 





To go the Delaware route would be long and painful.

Anyone find it funny that applcations are up pretty much everywhere, quality of applicants is up pretty much everywhere, but we still hear how these "higher quality students" are not up to par.  How?


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  Message Not Read  RE: Let the budget fun begin: Round 2
   Posted: 10/2/2010 10:12:45 AM 
Sometimes long and painful is the right path to take. One of the reasons we are where we are is because everyone wants to take the path of least resistance.
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