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perimeterpost
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  Message Not Read  Bates to Running Back
   Posted: 9/26/2010 2:58:50 PM 
It's time to have the tough conversation with Phil Bates- Iowa State was right, he has a bright future in college football, just not at the QB position.

Phil's QB stats- 6/15 63 yds, 2 int, 40% comp., 48.61 QB rating.

During one of the pregrame shows Solich came right out and said Bates will be the QB when we run the ball, Boo will be in when we pass the ball. I hope the other team didn't hear him say that or they'll be able to key off it. Boo is rusty but if he makes the move now to starter he can get the reps in practice and continue to improve. I see no sign of anyone having confidence in Phil's ability to pass the ball at all.

It's time for Bates to switch to Running Back full time. He's already the team's best runner-

Phil's RB stats 27/161, 6.0 ypc,

Bates at RB would open up so many things in the backfield, play action, the option, etc. I think its our best shot at improving an offense that is already ranked dead last in FBS. Thoughts?

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  Message Not Read  RE: Bates to Running Back
   Posted: 9/26/2010 3:02:49 PM 

I thought about that last night; Bates would be a good running back, and in the event it's put in our playbook, trick plays would open up pretty well (pitch passes, double passes?) 
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  Message Not Read  RE: Bates to Running Back
   Posted: 9/26/2010 3:23:16 PM 
What happens to qb's who run but who are not primarily running style qb's?

They get hurt.

Do we want to have Boo running very often?



Also, qb's who 'are runners' get hurt.



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  Message Not Read  RE: Bates to Running Back
   Posted: 9/26/2010 7:33:10 PM 
Personally I would rather see him at a slot or inside receiver position.  Good open field and broken field runner, but think he squats in the hole, doesn't get those shoulders going down hill with his shoulders low, more of an upright runner.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Bates to Running Back
   Posted: 9/26/2010 7:43:26 PM 
John C. Wanamaker wrote:
Personally I would rather see him at a slot or inside receiver position.  Good open field and broken field runner, but think he squats in the hole, doesn't get those shoulders going down hill with his shoulders low, more of an upright runner.


He doesnt seem to deliver the blow either. A few times last night I noticed he almost stopped, scrunched up and waited for the defender to hit him.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Bates to Running Back
   Posted: 9/26/2010 7:45:50 PM 
bobcat28 wrote:
John C. Wanamaker wrote:
Personally I would rather see him at a slot or inside receiver position.  Good open field and broken field runner, but think he squats in the hole, doesn't get those shoulders going down hill with his shoulders low, more of an upright runner.


He doesnt seem to deliver the blow either. A few times last night I noticed he almost stopped, scrunched up and waited for the defender to hit him.


Yep, that is what I mean by squating in the hole.  He is a great athlete, but great athlete's do not just become great running backs.

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   Posted: 9/26/2010 8:24:13 PM 
John C. Wanamaker wrote:
bobcat28 wrote:
John C. Wanamaker wrote:
Personally I would rather see him at a slot or inside receiver position.  Good open field and broken field runner, but think he squats in the hole, doesn't get those shoulders going down hill with his shoulders low, more of an upright runner.


He doesnt seem to deliver the blow either. A few times last night I noticed he almost stopped, scrunched up and waited for the defender to hit him.


Yep, that is what I mean by squating in the hole.  He is a great athlete, but great athlete's do not just become great running backs.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Bates to Running Back
   Posted: 9/28/2010 11:00:03 AM 
John C. Wanamaker wrote:
bobcat28 wrote:
John C. Wanamaker wrote:
Personally I would rather see him at a slot or inside receiver position.  Good open field and broken field runner, but think he squats in the hole, doesn't get those shoulders going down hill with his shoulders low, more of an upright runner.


He doesnt seem to deliver the blow either. A few times last night I noticed he almost stopped, scrunched up and waited for the defender to hit him.


Yep, that is what I mean by squating in the hole.  He is a great athlete, but great athlete's do not just become great running backs.


The coaching staff can go ahead and decide how to use Bates as long as its not under center.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Bates to Running Back
   Posted: 9/28/2010 11:36:13 AM 
What was Bates' QB rating against the Hurd?  His biggest problem is getting banged up.  How do MAC defenses prepare against the threat of a QB run, an option, a dink pass and the long route when they all start working?

Forget the OSU game; it is clear that the strategy was take time off the clock and hope for defensive take aways.  The strategy while boring didn't lead to an EMU type killing. Remember the Toledo game.  Boo is 0-1in the MAC and led a great comeback against Marshall but also caused the only turnover.  The keys shouldn't be turned over to him and Bates abandoned until things become clearer.  Get the OLine to stop jumping and those Bates runs of 4 yards or more will move those chains and keep the opponent on defense.  
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  Message Not Read  RE: Bates to Running Back
   Posted: 9/28/2010 12:03:49 PM 
With Bates as QB you have options, run right and run left.


Jackson QB Rating of 121.9, 6.8yatt, 59.7% comp, 4TD's 5INT's (two tipped balls that have to be caught)

Bates QB Rating 113, 5.7yatt, 58% comp, 2TD's, 1INT.

With Jackson Ohio throws down field and is more efficient on offense.

Last Edited: 9/28/2010 12:18:40 PM by John C. Wanamaker

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  Message Not Read  RE: Bates to Running Back
   Posted: 9/28/2010 1:19:41 PM 

If we ask Bates to change positions, would he leave the university and continues to pursue the QB dream elsewhere?  Similar to us endeding up with Mr. Roback?



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  Message Not Read  RE: Bates to Running Back
   Posted: 9/28/2010 1:30:57 PM 
He would have to drop down a division in order to play next year.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Bates to Running Back
   Posted: 9/28/2010 2:41:37 PM 
Ohio69 wrote:

If we ask Bates to change positions, would he leave the university and continues to pursue the QB dream elsewhere?  Similar to us endeding up with Mr. Roback?





Bates has already been down that road before. Just a couple of games into his sophomore year he announced he was transferring from Iowa State after losing out in the QB battle and being moved to WR. He caused a minor commotion by giving up on his team mid season like that. Solich had originally recruited him out of high school and I would have to think that there was some sort of verbal commitment from Frank that if he came to OHIO he would play QB. I'm guessing that commitment is also a reason why Bates continues to get the call to start even though the OC has no confidence in calling a pass play for him.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Bates to Running Back
   Posted: 9/28/2010 2:59:22 PM 
John C. Wanamaker wrote:
bobcat28 wrote:
John C. Wanamaker wrote:
Personally I would rather see him at a slot or inside receiver position.  Good open field and broken field runner, but think he squats in the hole, doesn't get those shoulders going down hill with his shoulders low, more of an upright runner.


He doesnt seem to deliver the blow either. A few times last night I noticed he almost stopped, scrunched up and waited for the defender to hit him.


Yep, that is what I mean by squating in the hole.  He is a great athlete, but great athlete's do not just become great running backs.

Despite Phil's  obvious talents, I would hate to see us with another feature back who dislikes contact.  Doesn't Kalvin McCrae have a brother?
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   Posted: 9/28/2010 3:35:04 PM 
Bobcatbob wrote:
John C. Wanamaker wrote:
bobcat28 wrote:
John C. Wanamaker wrote:
Personally I would rather see him at a slot or inside receiver position.  Good open field and broken field runner, but think he squats in the hole, doesn't get those shoulders going down hill with his shoulders low, more of an upright runner.


He doesnt seem to deliver the blow either. A few times last night I noticed he almost stopped, scrunched up and waited for the defender to hit him.


Yep, that is what I mean by squating in the hole.  He is a great athlete, but great athlete's do not just become great running backs.

Despite Phil's  obvious talents, I would hate to see us with another feature back who dislikes contact.  Doesn't Kalvin McCrae have a brother?


Do you mean Kalvin McRae?
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   Posted: 9/28/2010 3:50:42 PM 
Which is why JCW's suggestion to move him to Slot makes more sense (especially with Riley's injury)...

I've posted in other threads that this is obviously an especially sensitive transaction considering his road to Ohio to begin with, but if he can't put the team's best interests first this season (and then competing for the job again in the Spring), is he really the guy we want leading OUr offensive squad? 

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  Message Not Read  RE: Bates to Running Back
   Posted: 9/28/2010 4:38:36 PM 
Frank said on the Frank Solich Show last night that Boo and Bates will continue to rotate at quarterback, with whoeever plays better getting more of the snaps. But he also said it would not be out of the question to see boht of them on the field at the same time sometime in the future:
“Phil is a good enough runner that certainly you could utilize him as a running back out of a formation or utilize him as a receiver. Iowa State lined him up as a receiver at times, so he’s got that kind of ability.”
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