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Author Message Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     This is not football--and fans, tv, recruits gotta love it.    Posted: 10/21/2010 10:53:53 PM  Oregon destroying UCLA.  UCLA's not very good but Oregon's gone point a minute over their whole schedule this year. What's key to it?  What feature excites the fans in the stadium (best in college football), tv viewers and RECRUITS?  The total hurry up offense. It's such a simple thing.  Anyone team can go hurry up.  It's almost entirely a mental approach to the game thing.  But we refuse to take advantge.  We refuse to discombobulate the defense. I don't get it. Oregon is light years ahead of everyone--certainly all but a few top teams will give them trouble.  Merely by reason of thinking, of applying a bit more brain power in employing an obvious tactic. Oregon is playing a different game.  And it works so very well. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top Ohio Here General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Post Count: 151 Status: Offline     RE: This is not football--and fans, tv, recruits gotta love it.    Posted: 10/22/2010 2:14:04 AM  Recruits might like this too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1NyaTVUhFQ Back to Top Buster General User Member Since: 12/20/2007 Post Count: 405 Status: Offline     RE: This is not football--and fans, tv, recruits gotta love it.    Posted: 10/22/2010 4:04:54 AM  Whispers In The Dark wrote: Recruits might like this too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1NyaTVUhFQ Wow.  A waterfall? I'll tell ya where we'll go. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talkin' bout a little place called... ATHENS. Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,498 Status: Offline     RE: This is not football--and fans, tv, recruits gotta love it.    Posted: 10/22/2010 7:34:24 AM  If I recall, over the last few years Ohio has played a few teams with hurry up offenses, and the teams with the hurry up offenses have done no better or worse than any other teams. It still is football, and it still comes down to blocking and tackling. When the hurry up works, it is great. When it doesn't it compounds other problems. If the offense runs hurry up and has a 3 and out a few times in a row, the defense gets no rest, and the time of possession numbers look really ugly. Solich has spent his time in a system that is very different, a system where the QB looks at the defensive alignment, looks for mis-matches, and audibles to another play a significant portion of the time, a play that hopefully takes advantage of those mis-matches. That is a system that works well, too, especially when you have an intelligent veteran QB that can identify defenses and make good audibles. When you have that, the offense looks easy, and plays just seem to "work" more often. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top Scott Woods General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: On the banks of the Ohio, OH Post Count: 239 Status: Offline     RE: This is not football--and fans, tv, recruits gotta love it.    Posted: 10/22/2010 8:40:44 AM  Monroe Slavin, CPA wrote: But we refuse to take advantge.  We refuse to discombobulate the defense. I don't get it. Someone asked Solich about the no huddle offense earlier this week.  I wasn't sure if you flew in and asked that at the presser or not.  You can have a listen to his answer on BobcatTV. 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Back to Top Deciduous Forest Cat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Ohio Post Count: 4,474 Status: Offline     RE: This is not football--and fans, tv, recruits gotta love it.    Posted: 10/22/2010 10:55:03 AM  Monroe Slavin, CPA wrote: Oregon destroying UCLA.  UCLA's not very good but Oregon's gone point a minute over their whole schedule this year. What's key to it?  What feature excites the fans in the stadium (best in college football), tv viewers and RECRUITS?  The total hurry up offense. It's such a simple thing.  Anyone team can go hurry up.  It's almost entirely a mental approach to the game thing.  But we refuse to take advantge.  We refuse to discombobulate the defense. I don't get it. Oregon is light years ahead of everyone--certainly all but a few top teams will give them trouble.  Merely by reason of thinking, of applying a bit more brain power in employing an obvious tactic. Oregon is playing a different game.  And it works so very well. And when they finally went up against a top flight defense last year in the Rose Bowl, they looked very average. I suspect the same will happen this year. Back to Top John C. Wanamaker General User Member Since: 1/2/2005 Post Count: 1,103 Status: Offline     RE: This is not football--and fans, tv, recruits gotta love it.    Posted: 10/22/2010 10:59:39 AM  Keep in mind a lot of no-huddles are not really fast running offenses, and require set and not packaged personnel groupings.  The way we run different personnel in and out we would have to change and adapt several things that we do.  Alot of the no-huddle that you see today is more to make the defense show their hand and call the play based on what you are seeing from the sideline, and they still milk most of the 40/25 second play clock.   When we do run a two minute system, ours is more traditional two minute and is fast paced with a purpose, problem is you are somewhat limited in play selection to what you game plan and your personnel packages for the situation. "Half the money I spend on advertising is wasted; the trouble is I don't know which half." Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,208 Status: Offline     RE: This is not football--and fans, tv, recruits gotta love it.    Posted: 10/22/2010 12:03:06 PM  Monroe Slavin, CPA wrote: Oregon destroying UCLA.  UCLA's not very good but Oregon's gone point a minute over their whole schedule this year. What's key to it?  What feature excites the fans in the stadium (best in college football), tv viewers and RECRUITS?  The total hurry up offense. It's such a simple thing.  Anyone team can go hurry up.  It's almost entirely a mental approach to the game thing.  But we refuse to take advantge.  We refuse to discombobulate the defense. There are times when Ohio trips over its own shoelaces on offense. The pistol give you flexibility though I think it makes the offense too complex to run at optimal speed. It is the kind of offense that helped programs like Boise State initially get going before they were able to recruit franchise RB, QB type players. Oregon only beat Arizona State by 11. They'll get challenged against the better teams in the PAC-10. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top OrlandoCat General User Member Since: 3/15/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 355 Status: Offline     RE: This is not football--and fans, tv, recruits gotta love it.    Posted: 10/22/2010 12:46:46 PM  Monroe Slavin, CPA wrote: Oregon is playing a different game.  And it works so very well against the PAC-10 Fix'd. Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: This is not football--and fans, tv, recruits gotta love it.    Posted: 10/22/2010 2:32:50 PM  PAC-10 seems roundly considered the best conference this year...at least a pretty darn good one.  Yeah, those are amazing (Nike) facilities they have and we can't match that.  But... I'm not saying that we should run hurry-up all the time.  And you can come up with all the reasons you want that we aren't equipped for it or shouldn't run it. But if we don't have it as a tool to use once in a while, then we are not even considering what could be a very important weapon. Let''s take a rough analogy.  Suppose we had a punter had abilities and skills which could bring us advantage. So, we let him free to fake punt and run when circumstances arose which indicated that change of pace might be effective.  Hmm, someone remarked last week the 'air went out of the 'kron sidelines when we did that successfully last week.'  To me, the hurry-up can be physically and mentally devastating.  I view it, in fact (or in my overactive mind), as a way to charge up our defense....to give our team a feeling that we know and the other side doesn't. It is bad business practice to view how devastating Oregon's offense is and to not incorporate some of that. I mean it's not as if teams found the pistol and decided that was effective and that they would incorporate that. Oh, about the remark that our 2-minute offense is well-planned and effective--You're kidding, right? Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: This is not football--and fans, tv, recruits gotta love it.    Posted: 10/22/2010 4:22:01 PM  Oh.  The Really Big Thing. I can only recall one time in my fairly deep attendance at OUr games and viewing and listening to them that Peden got LOUD.  Last year in the last home game (Temple, I think).  It didn't even look like Peden was that crowded, onnaccounta bad/cold/rain-threatening weather.  But, finally some emotion expressed. We have 99% apathy at Peden.  Remember the first drive by BG a few weeks back when we held them with no points after a first down via turnover at our 3.  A real football crowd would've blown the doors off the place.  It was game over.  You coulda read a book almost at Peden.  There is no home field advantage all at Peden--not in any way that there should be. Maybe if we went hurry-up our fans would get excited. Oh--crowd finally got into it at the end of the Peden upset of Pitt, too.  This shouldn't be a twice a decade thing. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top Chimokee General User Member Since: 8/13/2006 Post Count: 29 Status: Offline     RE: This is not football--and fans, tv, recruits gotta love it.    Posted: 10/23/2010 8:00:23 PM  Monroe Slavin, CPA wrote: Oh. The Really Big Thing. I can only recall one time in my fairly deep attendance at OUr games and viewing and listening to them that Peden got LOUD. Last year in the last home game (Temple, I think). It didn't even look like Peden was that crowded, onnaccounta bad/cold/rain-threatening weather. But, finally some emotion expressed. We have 99% apathy at Peden. Remember the first drive by BG a few weeks back when we held them with no points after a first down via turnover at our 3. A real football crowd would've blown the doors off the place. It was game over. You coulda read a book almost at Peden. There is no home field advantage all at Peden--not in any way that there should be. Maybe if we went hurry-up our fans would get excited. Oh--crowd finally got into it at the end of the Peden upset of Pitt, too. This shouldn't be a twice a decade thing. Everyone will be running the hurry-up next year with the same success as Oregon. Nebraskan For Ohio Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: This is not football--and fans, tv, recruits gotta love it.    Posted: 10/23/2010 8:18:49 PM  Intelligent response. Definitely goes to whether or not it would be wise for us to use the hurry up occasionally. Or we could be satisfied with being just among the better teams in the MAC--not much else--and a fan base which, well, there is no fan base.  See my post above about lack of excitement around the 'Cats and the passivity of the fans in Peden.  If we do end up in a bowl west of the Mississippi, will we have 500 or 600 fans there? What do you have that'll excite the fans and give us national prominence, chimney? Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top Chimokee General User Member Since: 8/13/2006 Post Count: 29 Status: Offline     RE: This is not football--and fans, tv, recruits gotta love it.    Posted: 10/23/2010 8:47:58 PM  Monroe Slavin, CPA wrote: Intelligent response. Definitely goes to whether or not it would be wise for us to use the hurry up occasionally. Or we could be satisfied with being just among the better teams in the MAC--not much else--and a fan base which, well, there is no fan base. See my post above about lack of excitement around the 'Cats and the passivity of the fans in Peden. If we do end up in a bowl west of the Mississippi, will we have 500 or 600 fans there? What do you have that'll excite the fans and give us national prominence, chimney? Exciting the fan base is definitely needed. My point was that the hurry-up isn't the be-all, end-all. I agree it would be nice to have in OUr arsenal and to use it on occasion. It's been done many times before by many teams. Props to Oregon for what they do with it. They have the players to run it well. Regardless of how it's done, winning regular season games and bowl games is the best way to excite the fan base. If that won't do it, nothing will. Nebraskan For Ohio Back to Top LoganElm_grad09 General User Member Since: 9/9/2010 Location: South Bloomingville, OH Post Count: 934 Status: Offline     RE: This is not football--and fans, tv, recruits gotta love it.    Posted: 10/24/2010 10:33:16 AM  Chimokee wrote: Monroe Slavin, CPA wrote: Intelligent response. Definitely goes to whether or not it would be wise for us to use the hurry up occasionally. Or we could be satisfied with being just among the better teams in the MAC--not much else--and a fan base which, well, there is no fan base. See my post above about lack of excitement around the 'Cats and the passivity of the fans in Peden. If we do end up in a bowl west of the Mississippi, will we have 500 or 600 fans there? What do you have that'll excite the fans and give us national prominence, chimney? Exciting the fan base is definitely needed. My point was that the hurry-up isn't the be-all, end-all. I agree it would be nice to have in OUr arsenal and to use it on occasion. It's been done many times before by many teams. Props to Oregon for what they do with it. They have the players to run it well. Regardless of how it's done, winning regular season games and bowl games is the best way to excite the fan base. If that won't do it, nothing will. I agree with Chimney; winning is the key.  Look at the crowd at the Wisconsin/Ohio State game, the Wisconsin/Iowa game, and when it comes around the Iowa/OSU game.  I highly doubt Iowa and Wisconsin run a no-huddle like Oregon, yet those people are absolutely nuts. Winning is key.  Last year we saw that we were on our way, but the last two games shown us how far we had to go.  We win out, win the MAC and a bowl and go 11-3, you'll see more excitement.  Win next season, the crowd gets better. Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: This is not football--and fans, tv, recruits gotta love it.    Posted: 10/24/2010 2:09:47 PM  Winning EARLY is the key.  Over the last five yars we are clearly a winning program.  Looks like our third bowl game in 5 years is coming.  The problem is in each of the bowl years we start off with losing records over the first six or so games.  So, we have no chance to excite the 'casual' fan, to get them attached to the program in a BIG, EXCITED way.  They see that we are 2-4 or 3-3 and figure, oh well, another season of lousy Ohio football. Again, only two instances of genuinely involved Ohio fans over the the last 12-20 years were the end of the Pitt game and the last  home game last year.  Otherwise, Peden is, sadly--very sadly--like a library. So, the hurry-up is a way to rouse the corwd, rouse the team and a strategic tactic to get over on the opposition. There's every reason that we should have given columbus a better tussle and should be 7-1 right now.  That might excite even the casual Ohio fan. Remember how great and exciting the Georgetown win was.  That. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top Scott Woods General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: On the banks of the Ohio, OH Post Count: 239 Status: Offline     RE: This is not football--and fans, tv, recruits gotta love it.    Posted: 10/24/2010 9:57:24 PM  I'm glad you are aiming big Slavin.  I'd just love to see a MAC title in football for the first time since ... well, before I was born.  Basketball doesn't have as far to go with fan support as there have been a few MAC titles in basketball since the 60's. We started by winning the East a couple of times and have been to a couple of bowls.  It's time to start winning the MAC and some bowls and then I'll worry about the style we use winning.  But at this point, let's just win! Religion morality and knowledge being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged. So enter that daily thou mayest grow in knowledge wisdom and love. So depart that daily thou mayest better serve thy fellowmen thy country and thy God. Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,208 Status: Offline     RE: This is not football--and fans, tv, recruits gotta love it.    Posted: 10/24/2010 10:21:54 PM  Scott Woods wrote: I'm glad you are aiming big Slavin.  I'd just love to see a MAC title in football for the first time since ... well, before I was born.  Basketball doesn't have as far to go with fan support as there have been a few MAC titles in basketball since the 60's. We started by winning the East a couple of times and have been to a couple of bowls.  It's time to start winning the MAC and some bowls and then I'll worry about the style we use winning.  But at this point, let's just win! Basketball fan support hasn't been that great either for what most fans would like to see, a 10,000 a game average with major donors coming out to fund a basketball practice facility. 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