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Topic: Why cfb coaches get paid more than profs

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gtgphd
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Why cfb coaches get paid more than profs

Posted: 11/6/2010 10:36:47 PM

The situation in re to players and the aftermath as described here shows why the coach is paid more than any professor -- what professor would be called to a downtown bar at 2 a.m. to talk to police and a group of 20+ students who have been involved in a violent confrontation? How often do professors visit students in the hospital after they have been injured in a bar fight. And, when are professors held accountable for the behavior and actions of -dozens of their students as coaches are held accountable for the behavior and actions of 80 or more student athletes-- and sometimes the friends and families of student athletes?

Never.

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RE: Why cfb coaches get paid more than profs

Posted: 11/6/2010 10:51:03 PM

This is a weird way to fight a stupid battle.

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RE: Why cfb coaches get paid more than profs

Posted: 11/6/2010 11:27:15 PM

I think you have a very limited perspective on the relationship between professors and students. Most professors have several graduate students that work for them and their tuition and living expenses are paid for by the grants that professors receive. This is a much different relationship than the typical professor/undergrad and you end up spending a lot of time together. The professor that I work with (and pays my salary) would probably take action if something bad were to happen to me.

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RE: Why cfb coaches get paid more than profs

Posted: 11/7/2010 12:41:27 PM

Yea,,, right!! Sure he would.

Last Edited: 11/7/2010 12:41:49 PM by Catdude

Paul Graham
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RE: Why cfb coaches get paid more than profs

Posted: 11/7/2010 1:08:54 PM

I guess you would know better than I would!

I don't understand why people are so down on professors here. Most (not all) of them tend to work very hard. You have to remember that teaching undergrads is about 1/10 of their job. The rest is research, reviewing papers for others in their field, helping grad students with their research, writing grant proposals to bring money to the university, advising dozens of undergrads, attending conferences, writing articles for publications, reading to stay up on the latest advances in their field, etc... It is typically a demanding job and thus they are paid accordingly.

That said, our football coaches work very hard as well and also should get a nice salary for their efforts.

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RE: Why cfb coaches get paid more than profs

Posted: 11/7/2010 1:56:24 PM

I am a prof, and was a full time graduate student who worked for my doctoral adviser. I can tell you that he would not have felt any obligation to clean up after i got into a bar fight, or come down to a local drinking establishment at 3 am to discuss my situation with police. Certainly the University would not have expected him to do that.

A coach on the other hand IS expected to monitor and act on the behavior of the student athletes, on behalf of the university.

I am certainly not against profs -- my comment was prompted by a long thread on this board describing the controversy over athletic budgets, and coaches pay vs prof pay. Sorry I didnt make that connection clear.

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RE: Why cfb coaches get paid more than profs

Posted: 11/7/2010 2:00:49 PM

And police officers go break up fights in bars at 2 a.m. on a nightly basis, and that's why they get paid more than college football coaches.

Wait...what?

Last Edited: 11/7/2010 2:02:44 PM by Brian Smith (No, not that one)

gtgphd
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RE: Why cfb coaches get paid more than profs

Posted: 11/7/2010 2:28:30 PM

then there is the demand that influences the pay -- apparently there are fewer people with the skill set and drive to be successful football coaches at the level of the MAC conference than there are people who have the skill set and drive to be cops -- or professors, for that matter.

In some places police are paid as much as coaches and professors. Depends on the local labor market.

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RE: Why cfb coaches get paid more than profs

Posted: 11/7/2010 8:53:26 PM

Has everyone just lost their damn minds here? Good god. Not everything is so A vs. B. One of the reasons this forum has long been, for me, hands down the best in the MAC (if not beyond) is that so many people here had sense and weren't like the yahoos on the Marshall board, for instance. The anti-academic garbage I've been reading here has really started to sway my opinion. I'm glad Coach Solich went down there and did what he did, but that in no way is any indicator of why somebody should be paid more than anybody else. Not everything that occurs happens in order to prove your point.

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RE: Why cfb coaches get paid more than profs

Posted: 11/7/2010 9:25:01 PM

I'm not sure I see too much anti-academic stuff here (or anti-coach stuff for that matter).

It is true football coaches have to deal with challenging situations that professors don't. What Solich did Friday night is one of those things, so is the constant public criticism that comes along with coaching.

When you're comparing the two careers, there's also just a "slight" difference in job security. A tenured prof and an FBS football coach could not be more different in that regard.

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RE: Why cfb coaches get paid more than profs

Posted: 11/7/2010 9:40:33 PM

Aside from all the hours of national television exposure the football team continues to bring the University…once our Bowl match up is revealed it will be printed in nearly every major newspaper. Most papers will continue to show the updated scores of all Bowl games until the final title game. I am not sure where else the University could get that kind of national exposure.

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RE: Why cfb coaches get paid more than profs

Posted: 11/8/2010 1:33:34 AM

This debate is fun and we have a long wait until Temple so I'm going to stir the pot a bit. Here's a list of the salaries made public by Texas A&M:

www.collegiatetimes.com/databases/salaries/texas-am-university-2010

On that list are a couple of names, one you may recognize and another you may not:

Timothy J Deruyter

Athletics

$400,000

Bjarne Stroustrup

Computer Science

$293,464

Deruyter was our D-Coordinator during some good times and some very dark times (2002-2004). On the other hand, Bjarne Stroustrup is arguably one of the most famous computer scientists in the world having designed the programming language C++. Simply put, everyone writing software knows this name. Keep in mind as you're typing your responses, your computer is most likely executing instructions that were written in C++

So, who deserves the better salary? The world renowned scientist or the man who lost 31-0 to Northeastern? Discuss!

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RE: Why cfb coaches get paid more than profs

Posted: 11/8/2010 1:48:57 AM

Buffalo sucks.

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RE: Why cfb coaches get paid more than profs

Posted: 11/8/2010 3:31:13 AM

Paul Graham wrote:

Timothy J Deruyter

Athletics

$400,000

Bjarne Stroustrup

Computer Science

$293,464

So, who deserves the better salary? The world renowned scientist or the man who lost 31-0 to Northeastern? Discuss!

This reminded me of an e-mail I received many years ago:

Michael Jordan having 'retired,' with $40 million in
endorsements, makes $178,100 a day, working or not.

If he sleeps 7 hours a night, he makes $52,000 every
night while visions of sugarplums dance in his head.

If he goes to see a movie, it'll cost him $7.00, but
he'll make $18,550 while he's there.

If he decides to have a 5-minute egg, he'll make
$618 while boiling it.

He makes $7,415/hour more than minimum wage.

If he wanted to save up for a new Acura NSX
($90,000) it would take him a whole 12 hours.

If someone were to hand him his salary and
endorsement money, they would have to do it
at the rate of $2.00 every second.

He'll probably pay around $200 for a nice round
of golf, but will be reimbursed $33,390 for
that round.

He'll make about $19.60 while watching the 100- meter dash in the
Olympics, and about
$15,600 during the Boston Marathon .

This year, he'll make more than twice as much
as all U.S. Past presidents for all of their
terms combined.

Amazing isn't it?

However...
If Jordan saves 100% of his income for the next
500 years, he'll still have less than Bill Gates has
at this very moment.

Game over. Nerd wins .....

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RE: Why cfb coaches get paid more than profs

Posted: 11/8/2010 9:12:48 AM

Paul Graham wrote:

Timothy J Deruyter

Athletics

$400,000

Bjarne Stroustrup

Computer Science

$293,464

So, who deserves the better salary? The world renowned scientist or the man who lost 31-0 to Northeastern? Discuss!

I'd love to take a class with Stroustrup...

John C. Wanamaker
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RE: Why cfb coaches get paid more than profs

Posted: 11/8/2010 9:44:47 AM

Paul Graham wrote:

Timothy J Deruyter

Athletics

$400,000

Bjarne Stroustrup

Computer Science

$293,464

So, who deserves the better salary? The world renowned scientist or the man who lost 31-0 to Northeastern? Discuss!

Tim Deruyter is also one of the smartest guys you will ever meet, and can make a machine do about anything you want. Would also be willing to bet that Tim had a higher ACT/SAT score than anyone on this board.

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RE: Why cfb coaches get paid more than profs

Posted: 11/8/2010 10:52:57 AM

BobcatJH wrote:

Yeah, the whole premise of this thread is goofy. A D1 head coach has a very demanding, intense job as evidenced by non-game day/practice moments like this. It takes a rare individual to do it and an even rarer one to do it well. Yet I have zero idea what it has to do with how much professors are paid. Is it also why Coach Solich is paid more than someone who risks his life full-time in coal mine? Seriously, what are we talking about here?

As BobcatJH says, I hate, hate the "us vs. them" mentality because there's plenty of people (like me) who fit poorly in either A or B. And honestly, JH, I think some of the anti-academic stuff has pushed people off the board or reduced their participation. Certainly has for me. Could be skewing things.

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RE: Why cfb coaches get paid more than profs

Posted: 11/8/2010 11:58:17 AM

Exactly. And for the eleventy billionth time - and I guarantee by some this will be seen as political but know I am saying this from any side of any A vs. B salary debate - this fact bears repeating:

Your salary and your worth are NOT the same thing.

Last Edited: 11/8/2010 11:58:43 AM by BobcatJH

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RE: Why cfb coaches get paid more than profs

Posted: 11/8/2010 12:04:21 PM

John C. Wanamaker wrote:

Tim Deruyter is also one of the smartest guys you will ever meet, and can make a machine do about anything you want.

Ha! What type of 'machine' might this be? An inclined plane? A pulley? A wedge?

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RE: Why cfb coaches get paid more than profs

Posted: 11/8/2010 12:20:14 PM

Actually, Paul, in one of the rare times I'll agree with Wanamaker, D-Root is a really smart dude. Grobie basically had to hire him away from doing some real serious next-level stuff with satellites, I think, when he first came to Ohio. Did I get that right, John? I mean, he was in the Air Force doing some pretty heady stuff.

Last Edited: 11/8/2010 12:20:37 PM by BobcatJH

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RE: Why cfb coaches get paid more than profs

Posted: 11/8/2010 2:42:15 PM

Tim just missed a 1600 on his SAT's and when he was hired by Ohio University he was working in the medical field. Another one on that staff that has out of this world capabilities was Troy Calhoun. There is nothing the two of them could not do with a computer, they just happened to love working with young people and the competition of football.

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RE: Why cfb coaches get paid more than profs

Posted: 11/8/2010 3:42:03 PM

John C. Wanamaker wrote:

There is nothing the two of them could not do with a computer

You don't know very much about computers do you?

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RE: Why cfb coaches get paid more than profs

Posted: 11/8/2010 4:02:01 PM

why do you really insist on going down this road, the conversation is not about me in any way shape or form. I am simply stating that the example used in that article is not a good one because Tim DeRuyter is not your average football coach, and has done more outside of football than the vast majority of people. But hey I am sure you nailed almost perfect scores on your SAT's like Tim and Troy did.

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RE: Why cfb coaches get paid more than profs

Posted: 11/8/2010 4:21:13 PM

You are backing me into a corner when you say things like "Tim Deruyter is also one of the smartest guys you will ever meet, and can make a machine do about anything you want." How can I resist responding to such an unintentionally hilarious sentence?

And for the equally unbelievable assertion that Troy Calhoun and Tim Deruyter BOTH scored nearly perfect SAT scores...Prove it old man.

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RE: Why cfb coaches get paid more than profs

Posted: 11/8/2010 5:29:33 PM

In a strange way this reminds me of the time, several years ago, when Ohio A&M was playing the University of Southern Pennsylvania (aka WVU). This was when the Columbus Ag school had such mental geniuses as Andy Katzenmoyer (sp?), who regained his eligibility taking rigorous summer courses such as AIDS Awareness and Music Appreciation. The week prior to the game one Mountain State station that I was viewing had an interesting graphic on the majors of A&M v. USP starters. Seems the former had a lot of "sports science" and "underwater basket weaving" type majors while the latter had something like four or five starters who were in pre-med and a few in pre-law and other more academically rigorous fields.

Last Edited: 11/8/2010 5:31:34 PM by OhioCatFan

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