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Topic: Ohio Athletes.Race and Athens Bars

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Bobcatzblitz
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Ohio Athletes.Race and Athens Bars

Posted: 11/8/2010 4:09:49 AM

This incident only highlights a bigger and more sinister issue. I was advised along with some of the black football players by regular white and black students to watch our backs when going to theses bars namely courtside and to never wear your football team apparel. So I did this and became friendly with some of these bar peoples..some are former students..some even used to play for ou athletics..but most for some reason or another hate ohio football or basketball players..they will let their friends skirt the line to get in..even let in 18 yr old freshmen girls..but if you are an athlete don't expect any leeway with these people...none. they dispise you with a passion..this guy Shane Gibson is a so called tough guy but he only bullies the smaller ou football players..and no fight is a fair fight because they will all jump you. Not all the bar employees have issues like these bad apples but the good apples back the bad ones up to the fullest and don't care if they sucker punched you..its a gang type athmosphere with these guys. All I ever hear is hey there's 3 big black guys trying to get in how can we refuse them entrance..we only want our people here tonite..it really disgusts me..granted this kid threw a punch first..they know Boo Jackson..I have seen Boo break up fights for the courtside employees ..this was a targeted hit on the star qb..don't be fooled.

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RE: Ohio Athletes.Race and Athens Bars

Posted: 11/8/2010 7:41:34 AM

It doesn't surprise me at all if stuff like this goes on at this bar. The fact that this bar has not made a comment speaks volumes. The students need to boycott this bar and put them out of business. The OU athletes need to stay away from there for sure. As for Shane Gibson, if he has an intelligence at all he has left Athens. Shane Gibson is a punk! I hope for a fast recovery for Boo, the Bobcats need him. He really is a nice kid and great example for younger people. Get well BOO!

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RE: Ohio Athletes.Race and Athens Bars

Posted: 11/8/2010 8:34:42 AM

99% of the time these issues stem from jealousy against college athletes. This bouncer is probably some big overweight slow out of shape no talent wanna be high school athlete who could never ever play at the college level. And the only thing he has left is to try to justify his manhood by fighting someone who is living the dream of what he never achieved. Trust me I've seen it over and over. Jealousy.

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RE: Ohio Athletes.Race and Athens Bars

Posted: 11/8/2010 10:43:17 AM

even let in 18 yr old freshmen girls

Really? You're kidding.

But seriously, for me the perception is there. It may be a misperception on my part but perception can be reality. This is one of the things that set me off on Saturday, the fact that I can't see this happening in too many college towns to a D1 QB who is the star of the team. To me it just seems Ohio athletics continues to get zero respect. The idiotic commentary in the Dispatch of the Boo article was primarily stuff like....the football team sucks....didn't know they had a football team.....blah blah blah.

Maybe the jealousy part is one answer. The other answer seems to be quite a few students and teachers at Ohio could care less about athletics. I keep thinking about a Thursday night game with Akron a few years ago that was a battle for first place and the professor leaving his parking place next to mine had no idea what was going on.

I'll get off this soapbox...don't want to start throwing it again like I did Saturday.

Bottom line is that it sounds like Boo is OK....but this crap has to stop.

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RE: Ohio Athletes.Race and Athens Bars

Posted: 11/8/2010 10:48:57 AM

Doc Bobcat wrote:

. . . Bottom line is that it sounds like Boo is OK....but this crap has to stop.

Glad Boo is not seriously injured. I wonder how his brother is doing? Couldn't agree more with your last statement that I've bolded.

Last Edited: 11/8/2010 10:49:18 AM by OhioCatFan

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RE: Ohio Athletes.Race and Athens Bars

Posted: 11/8/2010 3:40:59 PM

What a sad situation this is. I only know Boo by watching him on the field. He is total quality. He is a leader by example. Yes, he probably should not have been there. But that is beside the point. He, nor anyone else deserves this type of treatment. It should not matter his race or the fact that he is an athlete. The bar owner is totally responsible for his employees behavior. He is the one to be held accountable. There is absolutely no reason to hit a patron of the bar. If it is true that the so called bouncer has had previous problems like this, why is he still being used in this position. Once again, the employeer is accountable for knowing this about there employees.

Ohio University students stay away from this place. They don't care about you as a person. They only care about the dollar you bring to them. Parents of students, if you are aware of this, encourage your children to stay away from these type of establishments.

Our prayers go out to Boo's recovery. Go Bobcats!!!!

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RE: Ohio Athletes.Race and Athens Bars

Posted: 11/8/2010 4:09:49 PM

Snake wrote:

What a sad post this is. This sort of thing does absolutely no good for anyone involved. Let the authorities both city and university sort this out. In the meantime it does no good to call for boycotts or anything else. Great lessons are often learned if we reflect on what happen and why. In this case we don't know either of those things for sure.

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Athletes uptown

Posted: 11/8/2010 4:50:47 PM

Doc Bobcat wrote:

.......but this crap has to stop.....

I agree if you are directing this at the football team as well.

Frankly, the football doesn't have the greatest reputation uptown and it has nothing to do with jealousy or race or whatever but the actions of some football players. (Not all, some.)

So, the crap has to stop on the student athlete side as well.

Last Edited: 11/8/2010 4:52:51 PM by Ohio69

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RE: Ohio Athletes.Race and Athens Bars

Posted: 11/8/2010 5:58:06 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

Really Alan? Do you own stock in Courtside? Is David Cornwall a golfing buddy? I understand your point if we're talking about some violent form of retribution, but I say bring on a boycott. Let's review the facts.

There was a dangerous amount of force (perhaps we could use the word excessive) used...
This happened outside the actual bar...
2 star OU athletes at the same establishment in 6 months...
We haven't heard word one from Courtside about how they plan to curb these disturbances...

Granted we might not have enough to go beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law, but if you take everything into account (even beyond the points that bobcatblitz makes about race, which are pretty damning) there's plenty here for people to be angry with Courtside Pizza about.

So alright, maybe it's still a beat early to be talking about a boycott, I'll even give you that. But I certainly wouldn't term the idea of one as "sad" and further, if the investigation closes with no charges and Cornwall doesn't come out with a statement on how he's going to improve the Courtside experience (stop hiring employees with criminal records, specific rules of engagement for bouncers that must be followed, whatever else) then I think it is in fact time to start talking boycott. Too much smoke for there not to be fire somewhere on this. Something needs to change.

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RE: Ohio Athletes.Race and Athens Bars

Posted: 11/8/2010 6:40:56 PM

I'm with you, HeHate. There have been too many problems at that particular bar with athletes -- and in a couple of cases at least, the same bouncer/bartender -- for people not to feel there is a problem. (Unless, perhaps, you're friends with the owner or have some other interest in the bar.)

The way I feel is this -- there may be differing versions of the events, but I'm giving the benefit of doubt to the guy with the good reputation who has never had a brush with the law over the guy who has multiple disorderly conduct arrests and a history of sending athletes to the hospital. It seems like common sense to me, but hey, everyone has a right to their own opinion.

And I don't blame people for feeling like they wouldn't want their kids going there. Personally, I hope that Solich and Groce are both telling their guys to stay out of Courtside from now on.

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RE: Ohio Athletes.Race and Athens Bars

Posted: 11/8/2010 7:15:18 PM

Alan was kind enough to post half the story this morning. Just the quotes implicating the football team. Fortunately there were more quotes from the same officer telling the rest of the story.

I am more in favor of a name change verses a boycott. Something like- Boo's Title-town Pizza has a nice ring to it.

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RE: Ohio Athletes.Race and Athens Bars

Posted: 11/8/2010 7:19:50 PM

Folks, this is a place that has hosted coach's radio shows in the past. People go there to watch OU when its on TV.

And, its owned by a member of a family that has done more good for the Athens community than just about any family in the history of Athens.

Don't turn a dumb fight into a football fan vs Courtside Pizza battle because the football program will lose badly. You want the town to dislike athletics more and more, keep up this anti-Courtside crap.

Short term and long term its a loser plan.

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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RE: Ohio Athletes.Race and Athens Bars

Posted: 11/8/2010 7:34:23 PM

DublinCat wrote:

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make but the personal attacks are starting to get old. I pulled the quotes from the article in chronological order of how they were reported in the story as to how the event went down. None of those quotes came from employees - they came from the police report. If we were allowed to post the entire article I would but it's a pay site.

Here are the two quotes that I didn't include:

Officers were not able to determine who threw the first punch so no charges were filed," Gray's release stated. "When the investigation is concluded the case will be sent to the City Prosecutor for a final determination in regard to any charges."

"There were no further problems between football players and bar staff that evening," the release said.

Not sure how that's half the story, so like many, I'm waiting to see what the city prosecutor does before offering additional comment.

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RE: Ohio Athletes.Race and Athens Bars

Posted: 11/8/2010 7:35:03 PM

Ohio69 wrote:

I hope what you say about the man who owns Courtside Pizza is true about the young men and women that he hires to work at Courtside Pizza. At this point, I still believe that we don't know that.

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RE: Ohio Athletes.Race and Athens Bars

Posted: 11/8/2010 7:37:22 PM

Courtside seems to be a kind of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde kind of place. Most of the time it's a mild-mannered, friendly pizza place. That's the part I have personal experience with. However, it appears on weekend nights after about 9:00 or so, it becomes something entirely different. That, I think, is what is really sad here. Until the parties responsible for sucker punching Boo are fired, I personally will avoid Mr. Hyde in protest of Dr. Jekyll.

Last Edited: 11/8/2010 10:03:50 PM by OhioCatFan

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RE: Ohio Athletes.Race and Athens Bars

Posted: 11/8/2010 8:28:00 PM

First of all let's get the name straight, It's not David Cornwall, It's David Cornwell that runs Courtside Pizza and his family owns other properties in Athens. I hope this is a wake up call for up town Bouncers and Businesses to use their head before they use their fist's, Businesses needs to be doing back ground checks before hiring Bouncers. Courtside Pizza will definately be paying for this and paying for it dearly. but that's the price you pay when you have a hot head working for you. This is one reason I don't go up town for some cold one's after the game's, because you have people like Gibson working in bars, not saying every Bouncer is like Gibson but just saying. Plus I wouldn't want the Bouncer get embarrassed by getting his ass kicked by some 49 year old man like me infront of his fellow Bouncers for messing with me. So I just stay away. Prayers go out to Boo for a speedy recovery and I hope he can get back to the thing he loves, that's playing Football for the Ohio Bobcats.

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RE: Ohio Athletes.Race and Athens Bars

Posted: 11/8/2010 8:41:27 PM

Sounds like they could use a cooler. He should call the Double Deuce -- If somebody gets in your face and calls you a c***sucker, I want you to be nice. Ask him to walk. Be nice. If he won't walk, walk him. But be nice. If you can't walk him, one of the others will help you, and you'll both be nice. I want you to remember that it's a job. It's nothing personal.

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RE: Ohio Athletes.Race and Athens Bars

Posted: 11/8/2010 8:56:15 PM

BobcatGman wrote:

First of all let's get the name straight, It's not David Cornwall, It's David Cornwell that runs Courtside Pizza and his family owns other properties in Athens.

Hmm, you're right, my bad. I googled it quickly because I didn't know, and both The Post and that Speakeasy site had it as "Cornwall" (though apparently speakeasy caught the mistake and has since corrected it, the search listing still has the misspelling though). So yeah, my fault. Cornwell.

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RE: Ohio Athletes.Race and Athens Bars

Posted: 11/8/2010 9:12:00 PM

Not exactly sure why we think the football team are angels here? Athletes cause trouble up town just like some students do. Until the full story comes out< we can't make judgements. I had a buddyw ho was there and while he said it go crazy real quick, the football players were doing their fair share to cause trouble.

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Posted: 11/8/2010 9:16:50 PM

No one is saying that the football teams is a bunch of angels, though there are some real good citizens on this team. There are also some who are immature and act stupid. I think what most on here are saying is that Boo is one of the good guys, and we are very much inclined to believe his side of story over that of some of the bums who are employed by the Dr. Jekyll side of Courtside.

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RE: Ohio Athletes.Race and Athens Bars

Posted: 11/8/2010 9:23:22 PM

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RE: Ohio Athletes.Race and Athens Bars

Posted: 11/8/2010 9:24:49 PM

Do not put Armon Bassett in the same boat or situation as Boo Jackson. Boo was a bystander here, Armon was an active participant, and the two events could not be more different.

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RE: Ohio Athletes.Race and Athens Bars

Posted: 11/8/2010 9:28:49 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

Courtside seems to be a kind of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde kind of place. Most of the time it's a mild-mannered, friendly pizza place. That's the part I have personal experience with. However, it appears on weekend nights after about 9:00 or so, it becomes something entirely different. That, I think, is what is really sad here. Until the parties responsible for shocker punching Boo are fired, I personally will avoid Mr. Hyde in protest of Dr. Jekyll.

Isn't this true about most Athens bar/eating establishments uptown? Isn't the Pub a different place at night? The Wood is, Red Brick, Broney's and Pigskin are also different places once the night time hours hit. That part is just Athens. 5 years ago some were on this board wanting to boycott the Pub for the same stuff.

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RE: Ohio Athletes.Race and Athens Bars

Posted: 11/8/2010 10:15:40 PM

John C. Wanamaker wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

Courtside seems to be a kind of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde kind of place. Most of the time it's a mild-mannered, friendly pizza place. That's the part I have personal experience with. However, it appears on weekend nights after about 9:00 or so, it becomes something entirely different. That, I think, is what is really sad here. Until the parties responsible for shocker punching Boo are fired, I personally will avoid Mr. Hyde in protest of Dr. Jekyll.

I don't recall the Pub incident? Did the bouncer there have three previous separate disorderly charges? Did the Pub bouncer take out one of our LB's like Eric Benjamin? Did the Pub bouncer run out on the street outside of the Pub and beat another on the street so bad that he had to be taken to Grant Medical Center in Columbus? Did the Pub bouncer have a track record of sucker punching and disabling bobcat athletes? Pretty big insult to the Pub unless they did have the same track record as Courtside. I just don't remember hearing about it.

OU87

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RE: Ohio Athletes.Race and Athens Bars

Posted: 11/9/2010 12:04:27 AM

I've stated my opinion in another thread and took some heat for it but I repeat...the coaches and athletic department can stop this confrontations immediately by mandating that athletes to stay out of uptown bars. I guess they did that for Saturday night and if they did that is a start.

And, give me a break...I'm not saying athletes won't drink (in or at PRIVATE residence parties), I'm not saying they can't have a girlfriend, nor am I saying OU should become the next BYU. I'm simply saying that it is obvious there is a problem here and one way to solve the problem is to keep the athletes out of the bars.

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