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WinkyN
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Doug Martin resigns

Posted: 11/21/2010 7:34:57 PM

I'm going to assume it's because he's too scared to face the Bobcats this Friday.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2010-11-2...

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RE: Doug Martin resigns

Posted: 11/21/2010 7:39:10 PM

Crap. Now they've got the whole win one for the gipper thing going....

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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RE: Doug Martin resigns

Posted: 11/21/2010 7:58:55 PM

Go TEMPLE!

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RE: Doug Martin resigns

Posted: 11/21/2010 8:26:21 PM

Doesn't mean much. I've always thought that if a coach meant anything to a team, they would've played well enough to keep him from getting fired or resigning. Yes, Kent has a great run defense. But they suck against the pass and their offense is pretty inept. I'm sure Solich will prep the team as if the game is for the title, even if Temps beats Fiami.

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RE: Doug Martin resigns

Posted: 11/21/2010 8:52:44 PM

This may give them an extra bouce in their step to start the game, but our guys can do something about that.

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RE: Doug Martin resigns

Posted: 11/21/2010 9:10:16 PM

This is kind of surprising. True, Martin hasn't been able to take them to the next level, but the program is stable, and competitive. There are some recent hires in the conference that have taken programs near the top of the conference, and taken them to the bottom (Buffalo, Ball State, CMU). These are the guys that should be on the hot seat, if you ask me.

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RE: Doug Martin resigns

Posted: 11/21/2010 9:30:02 PM

I am a little worried about the win-one-for-the-Gipper phenomenon, particularly in the Owlpoops beat the Redchickens and the Bobcats have a little edge taken off their game.

Last Edited: 11/21/2010 10:06:15 PM by OhioCatFan

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RE: Doug Martin resigns

Posted: 11/21/2010 9:34:58 PM

I wonder if the team shows up with "Doug" headbands?

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RE: Doug Martin resigns

Posted: 11/21/2010 10:46:25 PM

L.C. wrote:

the program is stable, and competitive.

L.C. I usually agree with you.... but what are you talking about?

Here's his record at Kent...

4-7 (2010) (With a very tough last game left)
5-7 (2009)
4-8 (2008)
3-9 (2007)
6-6 (2006)
1-10 (2005)
5-6 (2004)
5-7 (2003)

That's 33-60....

I can't believe he lasted this long. I hate firing coaches at the drop of a hat, but he should have been sent packing 3 years ago...

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RE: Doug Martin resigns

Posted: 11/21/2010 11:16:01 PM

I agree let loose after 2008, would have been understandable and logical.

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RE: Doug Martin resigns

Posted: 11/21/2010 11:35:47 PM

Bert Presley wrote:

I agree let loose after 2008, would have been understandable and logical.

Martin was signed to a long term contract after that 6-6 season and that is part of the reason why he's lasted so long at Kent State. The previous coach Dean Pees was given 6 years himself with a lackluster record because the program was so far down a hole when he took the reigns. Martin was the OC at East Carolina and left for Kent State after they fired Steve Logan in 2002. Pees had the Flashes going in the right direction so the qualified Martin took over when Pees decided to leave for the NFL. Kent's recruiting has totally changed over the last decade and they probably feel that they have everythng in place now with stadum renovations to be a serious MAC player like every other sport. Kent overall as a school is on the rise and is no longer a doormat for the state system which hurt football recruiting in the past.

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RE: Doug Martin resigns

Posted: 11/21/2010 11:42:22 PM

2005 was the lone really bad season. The other years he was there, Kent was a middle of the MAC program, which is what I mean by "competitive". I'm not saying that he was the greatest coach in the MAC, just that he was OK. I considered him comparable to the guy at Akron that was released last year. The coaching change at Akron didn't exactly help them, and I expect that Kent will probably get worse next year, too. I know every team wants an above-average coach, but mathematically that is impossible.

Last Edited: 11/21/2010 11:44:12 PM by L.C.

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RE: Doug Martin resigns

Posted: 11/22/2010 12:10:38 AM

L.C. wrote:

Compare Martin's situation with Frank's. Frank went 4-8 in 2008 and picked up an extension to 2013 in the process. It was certainly not due to Frank's record in 2008 as much as it was due to the general direction of Frank's program. Its proved a good move as Frank had back to back top 40 seasons in 2009-2010. The AD's know things about how a program is performing that are beyond what is understood by the fans. The cupboard is probably bare at Kent State after producing some NFL talent in recent years. The veteran MAC coaches cleaned up in the MAC this year and if Kent can't do better than 4-8 with the most senior MAC coach good luck next year as Buffalo, BG, Ball State, CMU all are ready to rebound. Martin did a solid job at KSU nobody can take that away from him but nobody has a job for life anymore.

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RE: Doug Martin resigns

Posted: 11/22/2010 7:06:10 AM

Well, I wish Kent luck. The crop of MAC coaches hired back in 2004-2008 was pretty good, including guys like Kelly, Solich, Cubit, Gill, Hoke, Kill and Golden, but the last crop so far has under-impressed. Buffalo, CMU, Akron, Ball State, Bowling Green, and EMU are no better than under their prior coaches, and in some cases significantly worse; only Miami and Toledo seems to be on the rise. Perhaps some of those will show more improvement in their third year than the first one or two, though.

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RE: Doug Martin resigns

Posted: 11/22/2010 8:33:30 AM

AthensBlock wrote:

L.C. wrote:

the program is stable, and competitive.

You beat me to that one!

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RE: Doug Martin resigns

Posted: 11/22/2010 9:38:30 AM

If we can't beat Kent, then we really don't deserve to be MAC East champs.

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RE: Doug Martin resigns

Posted: 11/22/2010 10:48:55 AM

Mike Coleman wrote:

If we can't beat Kent, then we really don't deserve to be MAC East champs.

Agree 100%.

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RE: Doug Martin resigns

Posted: 11/22/2010 11:27:09 AM

AintBeenGood wrote:

Mike Coleman wrote:

If we can't beat Kent, then we really don't deserve to be MAC East champs.

Agree 100%.

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RE: Doug Martin resigns

Posted: 11/22/2010 11:54:56 AM

L.C. wrote:

You mention this in passing, but its something I've been meaning to bring up for a while and this seems like as good a time as any. Mike Haywood really has pulled off a heck of a turnaround in Oxford.

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RE: Doug Martin resigns

Posted: 11/22/2010 12:07:10 PM

Regarding Haywood, OCF and myself have been ringing his bell from day one. He has a ways to go, but that program was as bad as it's ever been when he took the reigns.

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RE: Doug Martin resigns

Posted: 11/22/2010 12:20:08 PM

John C. Wanamaker wrote:

Regarding Haywood, OCF and myself have been ringing his bell from day one. He has a ways to go, but that program was as bad as it's ever been when he took the reigns.

I know it, and a couple WOUB guys I know were singing his praises from the day they met him at MAC Media Day last year, but I wasn't as sure. Happy to say I was wrong. As much as I may hate to wish well to the RedHawks, the conference, and we, are better when everyone in the conference is better.

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RE: Doug Martin resigns

Posted: 11/22/2010 2:27:53 PM

I noticed in the article that Martin will coach the team against Ohio Friday. I think it would be a bigger threat to Ohio if an assistant was taking over...so often, floundering teams will find one or two good games under a new coach before floundering again.

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RE: Doug Martin resigns

Posted: 11/22/2010 3:49:56 PM

anorris wrote:

L.C. wrote:

I wouldn't go that far. I use Sagarin numbers to see sequential progress (not because they are perfect, but because they are readily available). Under Montgomery the last three teams rated 59.32, 56.17, and 50.56. Under Haywood the teams have been 50.94 and this year 56.07. You have to temper that increase, though, with the fact that Miami had 19 returning starters, ten on offense, and nine on defense. With that many coming back, you definitely ought to have a significant improvement. In fact, the improvement from 50.94 to 56.07 can mostly be explained by the returning starters.

So, with only that modest rise in the team rating, why was the improvement in wins/losses so dramatic? The improvement in record can largely be explained by two factors. The first is that this is a very down year for the MAC, the worst since I have been following it. The second is that by the luck of the draw, the only two team from the West that Miami faced were Eastern and Central Michigan, tied for last.

Haywood may turn out to be a great coach, or he may just OK. Time will tell on that, and we'll know in a few years just how far he can take the program. At this point there are enough other things that can explain the turnaround that I'm not willing to go further than my original statement, that Miami seems to be on the rise.

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RE: Doug Martin resigns

Posted: 11/22/2010 6:03:46 PM

John C. Wanamaker wrote:

AthensBlock wrote:

L.C. wrote:

the program is stable, and competitive.

You beat me to that one!

Martin is actually #3 all time on the Kent State win list with 28 victories. He was only the O coordinator in 2003. Number 2 on that list has 34 wins. Sad but true.

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RE: Doug Martin resigns

Posted: 11/22/2010 6:27:12 PM

L.C. wrote:

So, with only that modest rise in the team rating, why was the improvement in wins/losses so dramatic? The improvement in record can largely be explained by two factors. The first is that this is a very down year for the MAC, the worst since I have been following it. The second is that by the luck of the draw, the only two team from the West that Miami faced were Eastern and Central Michigan, tied for last.

Haywood may turn out to be a great coach, or he may just OK. Time will tell on that, and we'll know in a few years just how far he can take the program. At this point there are enough other things that can explain the turnaround that I'm not willing to go further than my original statement, that Miami seems to be on the rise.

I watched Miami play against BG and they got lucky call in the fog for an INT to win that game. Squeaking by lower tier MAC schools might make you bowl eligible but a good true top 40 type team it does not. Miami has a very good quarterback to work with and its top rusher and receiver are seniors this year. They are really killing themselves with their scheduling in the non-conference. Miami has one of the overall lowest operating budgets in the MAC. Their total MAC budget number of 24 million is deceptive because they have far higher tuition than other MAC schools. Considering their football budget in absolute terms is lower than Ohio it looks even smaller when its inflated by high tuition. CUSA schools like SMU and Tulsa have larger budgets than the MAC due to the cost of private school tuition rates counting toward grants in-aid.

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