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medler
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More BcS!

Posted: 11/24/2010 11:21:10 AM

More fuel to add to the BCS fire.

While this is going to grow on this board into some dumb Ohio State thing; I believe it's just the popular BCS conference front. Whether it's Ohio State, Florida, or any other BCS school, this is further proof that they are feeling the pressure of schools that can compete on their level and working to push them (or any other non BCS school) out of the way AND...hide behind academic integrity to fight a playoff system.

Beyond this, the fact that the BCS can even protect the Big East and ACC and the bottom feeders of their own conferences is ridiculous.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5845736

Let's GO HAWKS!

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RE: More BcS!

Posted: 11/24/2010 11:33:30 AM

If I could write programming code, I would replace the pigs in Angry Birds with Gee-heads.

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RE: More BcS!

Posted: 11/24/2010 11:38:19 AM

I just read that same article.

I had to laugh at Gee's 2007 example of why the current system works and how Boise and TCU don't play a tough enough schedule. In the final rankings of 2007, Ohio State had the 53rd hardest schedule, and that was after they added LSU to their schedule (who ended the season with the 11th hardest schedule.)

SOS as it stands now:

Boise: 73
TCU: 68
Ohio State: 59

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OUbobcat9092
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RE: More BcS!

Posted: 11/24/2010 11:56:01 AM

‎"murderer's row every week"??? Please...tOSU has certainly played a collection of tough games this year - Marshall (4-7), Eastern Michigan (2-9), Indiana (4-7), Purdue (4-7), Minnesota (2-9).

In fact, the only team that tOSU has beaten that has fewer than 4 losses on the season is OHIO UNIVERSITY.

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Buster
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RE: More BcS!

Posted: 11/24/2010 1:52:09 PM

TCU and Boise State both responded with this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FucbvoFFy0

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Bobcat Grad 86
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RE: More BcS!

Posted: 11/24/2010 2:26:56 PM

Don't forget that Gee got rid of the Athletic Department at Vanderbilt

http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2008-09-08-vanderbilt-athletics_N.htm

The Situation
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RE: More BcS!

Posted: 11/24/2010 2:55:56 PM

Comments like this from leadership in the Big Six and journalists from ESPN (lol) lead me to draw a parallel to racial segregation. The BCS claims there are 11 BCS conferences. Ohio and the rest of the little sisters of the poor are alleged to be equals to their big brothers in the eyes of the NCAA. However, the AQ, non-AQ debate comes off more like the Jim Crow Laws than an efficient method to allocate BCS bowls.

Until this year I didn't care about a playoff system, I was happy with the opportunity to take on a Big Six team in a bowl game. But now that bowl officials can select a 6-6 AQ team over an 8-4 Ohio, Miami, Toledo, ect, I can't be satisfied by that any longer. How can they make us drink from the water fountain that is the BBVA Compass Bowl only to ask us to step aside for an overpriviledged, underachieving AQ team?

I'm fine with things being unfair in life and in sports, it is what it is. But every once in a while things become so unfair that the system needs to be re-evaluated. Sometimes it takes the entire weight of the minority, the help of the privileged, or a miracle to make things change.

Boise State could be our miracle. Piss off Gordon Gee, Go Broncos.

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RE: More BcS!

Posted: 11/24/2010 4:18:36 PM

Gordon Gee squats to pee.

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RE: More BcS!

Posted: 11/24/2010 9:45:53 PM

Gee proves himself to be a perfect fit and leader for Tosu: Classless, Ill-Informed, Isolated, Geeky, Not an alum and Wrong.

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RE: More BcS!

Posted: 11/24/2010 10:40:04 PM

It's now a medical fact that tying bowties too tight causes brain damage.

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RE: More BcS!

Posted: 11/24/2010 11:17:23 PM

And this confirms why I cannot stand to be in the same room with sidewalk alumni of this clown institution. Thank God I made a better choice.

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RE: More BcS!

Posted: 11/25/2010 12:27:59 AM

As a guy who grew up on Buckeye football and root for them every game (well, except for the ones against us of course).

That article makes me sick. What happened to all of the honor and intregrety Ohio State supposedly represents?

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RE: More BcS!

Posted: 11/25/2010 1:42:49 PM

After reading Geeks comments, I am confused as to how "honor" and "integrity" are associated with that dump. Just my opinion so don't take it personal.

+1 to Boise President Bob Kustra: " It's easy for presidents to to talk, but ask the AD's when's the last time that they seriously entertained taking requests or inviting Boise State to (play them) ."

"If you're Boise State or TCU, they're going to want to steer way clear of you."

Step up Geek or step out.

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RE: More BcS!

Posted: 11/26/2010 8:25:32 AM

Bobcat Grad 86 wrote:

Don't forget that Gee got rid of the Athletic Department at Vanderbilt

http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2008-09-08-vanderbilt-athletics_N.htm

This move at the time was seen as radical change and applauded by many in the academic world, as he did away with the redundancy of services that athletic departments have. He has publicly stated that OSU does not need these changes since it can stand on it's own two feet as a department. I am sure he wishes he would not have answered this question.

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RE: More BcS!

Posted: 11/29/2010 8:54:58 AM

More talk on Gee and how his views on the BCS and no playoff could be anti-OSU/Big Ten:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-bcsosu112410

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OhioCatFan
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RE: More BcS!

Posted: 11/29/2010 10:10:08 AM

Good article, Ryan, chuck full of great quotes. My two personal favorities are:

"Here’s the problem: Gee clearly has no idea what he is arguing about, or for, let alone how the BCS formula works, why it exists or how a playoff could actually operate."

". . . Gee couldn’t have given a better Thanksgiving gift to the lawyers at Arent Fox, the Washington law firm that is trying to spur a Justice Department investigation into the BCS on anti-trust grounds."

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RE: More BcS!

Posted: 11/29/2010 10:53:01 AM

One nagging little thought on Gee's comments. He mentions simply going back to the old bowl system. If the non-aq's push too hard, and start throwing around lawsuits what's to prevent the aq conferences from scrapping the bcs and going back to the way things were twenty years ago? Sure, the rest of college football could have their playoff, but do you really think anybody, any television networks, any corporate sponsors are going to be there if all the big boys are out and playing in the bowls?

Another alternative is they could raid what they want from the Big East, then pull out of and form their own alternative to the NCAA setting up their own playoff. As they're no longer part of the NCAA, there would be no collusion in keeping other schools out. The NCAA is a voluntary organization. Little schools would have no more right to demand membership in the aq schools alternative than they do to demand membership in the Big Ten or SEC. They'd just simply say other schools can form their own playoff system and let the market decide where to allocate customers and dollars.

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RE: More BcS!

Posted: 11/29/2010 10:56:04 AM

OUPride wrote:

Money. The BCS schools have built their programs dependent upon the significant revenues they receive from the BCS. There is no way that they'd scrap that system to return to the old one, especially when a playoff would conservatively yield 4-5 times the revenue that the BCS produces.

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RE: More BcS!

Posted: 11/29/2010 11:05:37 AM

Flomo-genized wrote:

OUPride wrote:

Absolutely disagree. BCS payouts are walking around money to most BCS schools. After paying expenses and splitting a BCS payout, a Big Ten team (with 2 BCS payouts) gets slightly more than $2MM. The rosiest scenario for a playoff that I've read says it will generate $400 million. Split 120 ways, that bumps it up to $3,.33 million--before expenses and not counting any conference offices that will get a cut. In either scenario, that's couch cushion change to an osu, Texas or Florida. B10 teams each get $22 million in television money. A big time school nets more with one home game than they do with a double bcs bowl payout. The pot of gold that the aq schools are protecting is not in the bcs. It's in their television contracts and ticket sales.

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RE: More BcS!

Posted: 11/29/2010 11:23:15 AM

I agree that the BCS payouts themselves aren't significant, but there is no guarantee that the present fan interest (and thus other football-related revenues) would stay the same with a return to the old system.

In any event, your $400 million estimate for a playoff is much lower than even the most conservative estimates I've seen. Most place the value of a college football playoff in the $600-800 million range. And that amount would not be split equally among the 120 FBS schools, just as the NCAA basketball tournament revenue is not equally shared amongst all D-I programs. Rather, the conferences that play the most games in the tournament would receive the most revenue. Most BCS conferences would end up taking home much more revenue in a playoff than they do under the BCS or under the old system.

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RE: More BcS!

Posted: 11/29/2010 12:20:03 PM

My biggest problem with Gee's statement is that the sheep in central Ohio are buying into his "murderers' row" analogy for an o$u's schedule when compared to Boise State's. I've heard it on the radio and while talking to buckeye fans.

Most sports fans, I would think, picture the 1927 Yankees when thinking of Murderer's Row. This was a lineup that included Ruth (60 HR, more than any other team that year, and 164 RBI), Gehrig (47 HR, 18 triples, 175 RBI), 4 players hitting over .337, 4 with more than 100 RBI, etc. . . A lineup with great hitters that opposing pitchers feared and lost sleep over the night before a start.

Using this analogy, who on the buckeyes' schedule is similar? I would think only Wisconsin. Another possible big 10 team would be Michigan St, but the Spartans were not on osu's schedule this year. Their best non-league opponent, Miami, finished with 5 losses. Not to mention that osu played 8 of 12 games at home.

Hardly a "murderers' row." Perhaps leaning closer to playing "little sisters' of the poor"?

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RE: More BcS!

Posted: 11/29/2010 12:27:00 PM

Boise schedule is a joke, has been for a decade, will continue to be.

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RE: More BcS!

Posted: 11/29/2010 12:31:45 PM

Sagarin 2010 Strength of Schedule ratings:

Ohio State - #64
Boise State - #62

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RE: More BcS!

Posted: 11/29/2010 12:37:55 PM

John C. Wanamaker wrote:

Boise schedule is a joke, has been for a decade, will continue to be.

OOC they schedule as tough as they can. They have no control over what their conference does which is why they're looking to leave. Problem is besides football what does their athletic program have to offer? The illustrious Boise TV market? And the current system makes it close to impossible to try and schedule really good teams because what team is going to risk an early OOC loss when it's hard enough to go undefeated in one of the big six conferences. The system is incredibly flawed and it's important to look at that when analyzing how tough or not a team's schedule is.

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RE: More BcS!

Posted: 11/29/2010 1:51:50 PM

John C. Wanamaker wrote:

Boise schedule is a joke, has been for a decade, will continue to be.

Your posts are a joke, they have been for a decade, they will continue to be.

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