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Doc Bobcat
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New Mexico Bowl or Las Vegas Bowl

Posted: 11/30/2010 7:55:38 AM

ESPN is saying one or the other per the Dispatch......would prefer the Vegas one....please disregard the warm and fuzzy Fiami article above the Ohio one:

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/sports/stories/2010/...

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RE: New Mexico Bowl or Las Vegas Bowl

Posted: 11/30/2010 9:17:37 AM

And Elton Alexander of the Plain Dealer's reporting that if the Sun Belt Conf. can't produce a team, either Temple or Ohio could be facing Toledo in the Little Caeser's Pizza Bowl. I hope he's wrong!!!

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RE: New Mexico Bowl or Las Vegas Bowl

Posted: 11/30/2010 10:01:55 AM

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:

We already played Toledo. Where as Temple would get their first shot at the Rockets this year. I am hoping for the Sun Bowl vs. the "U" and that OU-Miami earns the right to play 6-6 MTSU.

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RE: New Mexico Bowl or Las Vegas Bowl

Posted: 11/30/2010 11:07:32 AM

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:

Elton has a long tradition of being wrong lets hope he continues it.

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RE: New Mexico Bowl or Las Vegas Bowl

Posted: 11/30/2010 11:11:41 AM

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:

He's either ignorant or trying to be funny. The numbers seem to indicate that there may be a few bowl eligible teams left in the cold rather than not enough to fill all the slots. I'm pretty sure if a situation like this developed that some non-bowl eligible team from another conference would be given a waiver. I believe, for instance, that there's a team or two with six wins that have two wins against FCS teams and, therefore, are not eligible without a waiver. I'll eat a crow burger right here on BobcatAttack.com if any team in the country ends up playing one of its own conference members in a bowl game. I think Elton is just trying to make fun of the MAC and make us look stupid, which -- unfortunately -- on any given day is not that hard.

Last Edited: 11/30/2010 11:12:53 AM by OhioCatFan

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RE: New Mexico Bowl or Las Vegas Bowl

Posted: 11/30/2010 11:19:27 AM

Ohio can't play in the New Mexico because Army is taking the Ft. Worth Bowl this season and sending a MWC team (likely BYU) to the New Mexico. Honestly I think its down to the Sun or the Las Vegas and I'm sure our fans will collectively say boo-hoo (for once not!).

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RE: New Mexico Bowl or Las Vegas Bowl

Posted: 11/30/2010 11:23:12 AM

How could anyone be upset about the Sun Bowl? Outside of qualifying for a BCS bowl, that is just about the best possible option for a MAC team. I'd only rank the Cotton, Gator, and maybe Capital One bowls ahead of it on the non-BCS bowl food chain. Meanwhile, only the Pizza Bowl would be more convenient from a travel perspective (although the date is lousy).

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RE: New Mexico Bowl or Las Vegas Bowl

Posted: 11/30/2010 11:37:24 AM

With the bigger payout and CBS-TV, I find it hard to believe we (or any MAC team) will end up in the Sun Bowl. I think OUr best hope is for the las Vegas game. If not, we'll be out in the cold!

I will say this, the MAC is probably willing to protect and help out the Bowl eligible and deserving (8-4) teams get to a bowl. So, if Toledo goes to Detroit (and since we've played them once), I think it will be Temple there and then Ohio sorta backs into the Sun Bowl...maybe?

MTSU game becomes very important to us...next Saturday things will be perfectly clear.

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RE: New Mexico Bowl or Las Vegas Bowl

Posted: 11/30/2010 11:50:30 AM

Flomo-genized wrote:

Amazingly, I'm visiting my parents in Tuscon for christmas so this western bowl situtation works out great. Las Vegas and Albuqeruque are both about 8 hours while El Paso is 5 hours. I'm obviously hoping for El Paso first as its only 1 day after my flight then Las Vegas. Smartly I pushed my New Year's cruise was pushed back to the 2nd so I'll be able to fit El Paso into my plans if need be.

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RE: New Mexico Bowl or Las Vegas Bowl

Posted: 11/30/2010 12:02:55 PM

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Actually I think the Sun is the most likely destination at this point for Ohio. There are only 3 at-large openings, the Sun, the Las Vegas, and the Little Ceasars. There are 4 available at-large teams, Louisville, Ohio, Temple, and Western Michigan. As a bowl backup the payout to the MAC for earning a spot in the Sun or Las Vegas is minimal while a Big East school will demand more money. Louisville is also 6-6 and has a young program under a new coach that desperately needs a bowl win. For Ohio the Sun Bowl would be like a Frank Solich career achievement award as the dean of MAC coaches which he is now with the most senority and most wins. Its an opportunity that won't happen for Frank again.

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RE: New Mexico Bowl or Las Vegas Bowl

Posted: 11/30/2010 12:05:58 PM

Wes...I hope your logic works for the people that make these decisions! It would be great to see Ohio on a "real" national network in a name bowl...

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RE: New Mexico Bowl or Las Vegas Bowl

Posted: 11/30/2010 12:16:34 PM

Casper71 wrote:

Wes...I hope your logic works for the people that make these decisions! It would be great to see Ohio on a "real" national network in a name bowl...

It makes a lot of sense because Frank has the most established MAC program with 2 divisional titles in 6 years. That is better than Golden with 0 titles in 5 years or Beckman with 2 years and 1 winning season. Bowls like to see a coach take a school to a few lessor games before moving up in class and Frank has done that.

Last Edited: 11/30/2010 12:17:09 PM by TWT

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RE: New Mexico Bowl or Las Vegas Bowl

Posted: 12/1/2010 2:10:08 PM

Bleacher Report predicting the winners of all 35 bowls.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/530293-college-football-bowl-predictions-predicting-the-winner-of-all-35-bowl-games#page/6

GO BOBCATS
GEORGE

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RE: New Mexico Bowl or Las Vegas Bowl

Posted: 12/1/2010 4:12:40 PM

Wes wrote:

Casper71 wrote:

Wes...I hope your logic works for the people that make these decisions! It would be great to see Ohio on a "real" national network in a name bowl...

I am completely amazed by this optimism. However, we must put away this Kool Aid. I hope that we have the opportunity to play in the Sun Bowl vs. Miami, but it won't happen under the Louisville vs. Ohio scenario listed above. Sorry...this is the real world.

The fact of the matter is we just played on a traditional day off of work (last Friday after Thanksgiving) 4 hours from our campus and directly within our alumni base (Kent) and can't pack half of a smallish Div I stadium! Plus, in said game @ Kent, we looked pathetic...worse than pathetic.

Louisville is 6-6, in the Big East, a few years removed from a great season, a win over the probable Big East Champion (UConn), and they average more butts in the bathroom during halftime than we have at one home game.

Bowls want to be guaranteed the best match-up in terms of at least the following:
1. Butts in the seats. Louisville>than other 3 combined
2. Faces in front of the TV for their sponsors. Louisville>than other 3 combined.

Again, I applaud the optimism, but this ain't gonna happen. Las Vegas seems more likely, but I still say they ignore our win over Temple and select the Owls and we are left out in the cold.

Let's GO HAWKS!

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RE: New Mexico Bowl or Las Vegas Bowl

Posted: 12/1/2010 5:35:45 PM

Louisville does not want to go to the Sun bowl(and the Sun bowl may not want them for this very reason) because it is on the same day as the Louisville vs Kentucky basketball game. Basketball rules there and this game will suck away any fans that may have been considering going to a bowl game, if played on the same day.

So I would be very surprised if you see Louisville in the Sun Bowl.

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RE: New Mexico Bowl or Las Vegas Bowl

Posted: 12/1/2010 8:26:47 PM

Utah has officially accepted an invitation to the Maaco bowl in Las Vegas.

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RE: New Mexico Bowl or Las Vegas Bowl

Posted: 12/1/2010 10:11:06 PM

medler wrote:

Wes wrote:

Casper71 wrote:

Wes...I hope your logic works for the people that make these decisions! It would be great to see Ohio on a "real" national network in a name bowl...

I have to say that I agree with this. All this speculation about Ohio going to the Sun Bowl or actually playing Boise St. just seems way too good to be true. Maybe it's the "Cleveland" in me where I always expect the worst for my favorite sports team (and they never fail to deliver!) but there's no way Ohio plays in a cool bowl game against a name opponent. I hope I'm wrong but I just don't see it. I see a bowl committee picking Temple over us. Heck, if the MAC picks 8 somewhat overrated football players from Temple to be 1st team all-MAC over Ohio players, why should we expect a bowl committee to do any different?

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RE: New Mexico Bowl or Las Vegas Bowl

Posted: 12/1/2010 10:16:11 PM

Chuck_IV wrote:

Imagine the following is your job:
-Go to your Div I, Big East member, bowl eligible team...players and coaches.
-Tell them they're not going to accept the pay out for a mid-level bowl game on standard TV (CBS).
-Protect yourself as it's released that the reason is because the basketball team is playing its in-state, but understandable bitter rival in a regular season/mid season game.

-Tell the same to your football season ticket holders who may be holding out for a trip or whatnot.

Try to comfort the coaching staff as they panic in the midst of recruiting that football is relevant at our Big East school.

Yeah, right.

Let's GO HAWKS!

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RE: New Mexico Bowl or Las Vegas Bowl

Posted: 12/1/2010 11:17:48 PM

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Mark, the more I think about this, I get the same feeling. I'd love to go to the Sun Bowl or play in Las Vegas, but OU probably will end up being the 5th team in line from the MAC and get a ho-hum bowl. I will say that playing Louisville in the Little Caesar's Bowl wouldn't be awful... but I'd love to head to the Southwest. Still keeping fingers crossed.

(Side note: I sure wish that 2-point conversion against Marshall had worked. A 9-3 mark would have obviously been a shade more attractive to bowls than 8-4.)

Last Edited: 12/1/2010 11:19:12 PM by lovebobcat

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RE: New Mexico Bowl or Las Vegas Bowl

Posted: 12/2/2010 11:31:20 AM

lovebobcat wrote:

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Our fan support for two previous bowls has been a joke. That's what the bowls care about. We will be the last bowl participant selected, and you can take that to the bank.

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RE: New Mexico Bowl or Las Vegas Bowl

Posted: 12/2/2010 1:18:29 PM

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lovebobcat wrote:

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Our fan support for two previous bowls has been a joke. That's what the bowls care about. We will be the last bowl participant selected, and you can take that to the bank.

I have to stick up for Ohio and the alumni on this one. I was at both bowl games. As for the GMAC Bowl, I was shocked at how many Ohio people WERE there all the way in Mobile. I know it wasn't "tens" of thousands, but for being a school that really isn't gung ho for football (and 1,000 miles away), I was more than pleasantly surprised on the Ohio people I did see. I truly thought I was going to be one of 10 people there. Seriously. There were as least as many Ohio people at Mobile for the bowl as there are fans that stick around Peden Stadium to watch the 2nd half of a football game at OU now.

And as for the LCPB last year, I would say we just as many fans there as did Marshall, and Marshall's the one with the so-called reputation of having its fans travel well. I thought Ohio represented pretty well, all things considered, for both games. I saw a lot of empty seats on TV last year for a great number of the non-BCS bowls, so it wasn't just the Pizza Bowl that had empty seats.

Last Edited: 12/2/2010 1:20:59 PM by Mark Lembright '85

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RE: New Mexico Bowl or Las Vegas Bowl

Posted: 12/2/2010 1:33:46 PM

Have to agree about the GMAC Bowl with Mark. You have to count all the Ohio fans there, not just the number of tickets sold through our athletic dept. Our showing fan wise wasn't all that bad considering all the factors.

Having said that, our fan showing last year for the Pizza Bowl in Detroit was less impressive considering all the factors.

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RE: New Mexico Bowl or Las Vegas Bowl

Posted: 12/2/2010 1:43:45 PM

To unapologetically steal from Wanny (and his countless rants about actual attendance v solds), I think butts in seats means far less to the bowl organizers, it's TICKETS SOLD that matters. If a school committs to buying an allotment regardless of the actual in person usage, then they have accomplished their mission.

Would they rather have people at the game, for sure, but as long as SOMEONE buys the tickets, that is their fiscal mission. After all, how many people in a bowl city are williing to shell out significant cash to see numbers 45 and 70 play one another, especially if there isn't a regional school present. You aren't going to sell out more than a dozen of these games during bowl season regardless of who is playing in the second tier bowls, so the organizers just want to move the tiks, crowd be damned.

And if a school can make the number work by purchasing 10k in seats, considering the whole financial package for participating in a bowl, then more power to them for making sure they look appealing to the bowl organizers.

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RE: New Mexico Bowl or Las Vegas Bowl

Posted: 12/2/2010 2:03:49 PM

Jeff McKinney wrote:

You can't discount the CACHE that we had in Mobile b/c of our crazy-long bowl drought. Once that CACHE wore off, you saw what happened when we were placed in a bad bowl with a bad opponent.

You just don't realize how much the opponent matters, and how it translates to dollars, but I'll keep saying it till I'm blue in the face.

I've got CACHE baby.

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RE: New Mexico Bowl or Las Vegas Bowl

Posted: 12/2/2010 2:17:40 PM

I'm not the one saying it, I'm just repeating it...

http://www.cardchronicle.com/2010/11/30/1845755/louisville-passing-on-the-sun-bowl-would-be-a-mistake

This link was already posted here. I guess I shouldn't have said they didn't want to go to the SUn bowl, but they are debating passing if given the opportunity.

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