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Topic: Troy Football Came to Play, Ohio Football Came to ____________

Topic: Troy Football Came to Play, Ohio Football Came to ____________

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OhioStunter
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Troy Football Came to Play, Ohio Football Came to ____________

Posted: 12/19/2010 10:41:34 AM

bask in the glory of being in a bowl game.

have fun on Bourbon St.

attend an NBA game the night before the bowl game.

gamble at nearby Harrah's.

get beignets from Cafe du Monde.

embarrass the university with its performance on a national stage.

Now, you fill in the blanks...

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RE: Troy Football Came to Play, Ohio Football Came to ____________

Posted: 12/19/2010 10:45:12 AM

Please, every bowl trip has down time, rec time and activities for the teams. Did we show up? NO....Are we as talented as Troy was? NO They took it to us, but not because a kid may have played Black Jack, or the team went to a basketball game.

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RE: Troy Football Came to Play, Ohio Football Came to ____________

Posted: 12/19/2010 10:54:36 AM

JCW, I sincerely respect your posts. And I agree there was downtime, recs, etc. and that the student-athletes are routinely treated to activities like this.

The point is, Troy was focused, prepared, ready to play.

The Bobcats looked like they were just happy to be in New Orleans and lost focus on the reason they were there. From start to finish, Ohio was outplayed and outcoached. Perhaps the night before should have been some additional prep on the gameplan. Because it sure didn't look like they had one come kickoff.

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RE: Troy Football Came to Play, Ohio Football Came to ____________

Posted: 12/19/2010 10:59:06 AM

One thing that surprised me was how fast Troy was compared to how slow we were. I really thought Troy was faster than we were and I don't know if we had a good answer for that. I'm not sure more prep time would have helped us as you can't teach speed, and Troy has it.

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RE: Troy Football Came to Play, Ohio Football Came to ____________

Posted: 12/19/2010 11:08:38 AM

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:

Good point. Troy did seem faster, and you can't coach that, but that's no excuse for the debacle of QB subs, no pass rush, no coverage on the 5-8-yd slants/out patterns and general confusion on the defensive side of the ball.

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RE: Troy Football Came to Play, Ohio Football Came to ____________

Posted: 12/19/2010 11:14:40 AM

OhioStunter wrote:

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:

Very true!

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RE: Troy Football Came to Play, Ohio Football Came to ____________

Posted: 12/19/2010 11:27:00 AM

I would have been okay with a respectable loss, but...

"Troy scored on its first eight drives of the game and led 48-14 before Ohio made a stop.
Troy nearly doubled Ohio in yardage and got a career-high four TD passes from QB Corey Robinson.The Trojans set New Orleans bowl records for points (48) and total yards (602).
Ohio fell to 0-5 all-time in bowl games and are just one of three schools to appear in at least three bowls without a win".

This Bobcat team did not show up and was a complete embarrassment.

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RE: Troy Football Came to Play, Ohio Football Came to ____________

Posted: 12/19/2010 1:14:14 PM

OhioStunter wrote:

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:

We saw this with Southern Miss when we played them, and it is very similar to the arguement used by those who love to point our flaws of the Big10 v. the SEC. Bottom line there is more speed in the South, more athleticism, and Troy was able to exploit those against us.

Stunter: I give you we were not focused, but Troy was in the same environment we were in, I think they were just that much better than us. Let me explain, we have put up good offensive numbers most of the year as far as points, but not statistically, that will eventually catch up with you.

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RE: Troy Football Came to Play, Ohio Football Came to ____________

Posted: 12/19/2010 6:07:34 PM

Is anyone really serious that Troy was that good of a team? Yes they had a good game with Ok. State but played close with BGSU and ULL.

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RE: Troy Football Came to Play, Ohio Football Came to ____________

Posted: 12/19/2010 8:49:23 PM

ESPN said same thing about Fresno. Faster! But, NIU won big anyway. Speed can be neutralized. NIU did it; Ohio didn't.

Last Edited: 12/19/2010 9:50:15 PM by OhioCatFan

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RE: Troy Football Came to Play, Ohio Football Came to ____________

Posted: 12/19/2010 11:17:56 PM

Alabama is the defending national champion. Auburn is playing for the national championship this year. Troy sits about one hour down the road from Auburn. South Alabama has just started a football program and now has played two seasons and is still undefeated at 17-0.

Alabama sure knows football. After seeing Troy last night, I have no idea how they lost 5 games this year.

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RE: Troy Football Came to Play, Ohio Football Came to ____________

Posted: 12/19/2010 11:52:33 PM

When fast guys know their assignments, are running on instincts, are playing with great energy, and have the momentum, they will look fast on the field.

When fast guys are thinking on the field and reacting to what is being dictated to them, they will look slow in the field.

I doubt the guys from Troy run much better than the guys from Ohio. The better team of the day always looks faster.

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RE: Troy Football Came to Play, Ohio Football Came to ____________

Posted: 12/20/2010 12:08:43 AM

John C. Wanamaker wrote:

Stunter: I give you we were not focused, but Troy was in the same environment we were in, I think they were just that much better than us. Let me explain, we have put up good offensive numbers most of the year as far as points, but not statistically, that will eventually catch up with you.

Clearly Troy is that much better than we are. On the field and in preparation beforehand.

Therein lies another broader issue. If Troy is that much better than Ohio, are we saying we should aspire to have a program like Troy's? What football program should Ohio realistically aspire to be like?

For me, expectations for Ohio football every year should be to win the conference, win the bowl game and even to be ranked in the Top 25.

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RE: Troy Football Came to Play, Ohio Football Came to ____________

Posted: 12/20/2010 12:12:40 AM

OhioStunter wrote:

John C. Wanamaker wrote:

Tough to do when the recruiting class # differentials look like this, and remember, only 85 scholarship players are allowed on a roster at once. Wonder what happens to all the "extra" people?

25 + 32 + 33 + 40 + 34 = (Troy's last 5 recruiting classes) 164 players

21 + 23 + 20 + 21 + 17 = 102 players for Ohio during the same period

As with Cam "the son of a preacher man" Newton, things are done differently in the dirty south.

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RE: Troy Football Came to Play, Ohio Football Came to ____________

Posted: 12/20/2010 8:12:57 AM

Troy must be counting all incoming student athletes, as the NCAA limits scholarships on a yearly basis as well. That limit is 25 scholarships in a given year. Now it is traditional to sign more kids than you have scholarships for as a way to hedge your bets against defections, and many schools have no problem signing 29-30 kids for 25 slots. Interesting note is the SEC is leading the charge to limit this practice to 28 kids signed to NLI's in any given year.

15.5.6.1 Bowl Subdivision Football. [FBS] There shall be an annual limit of 25 on the number of initial counters (per Bylaw 15.02.3.1) and an annual limit of 85 on the total number of counters (including initial counters) in football at each institution. (Revised: 1/10/91 effective 8/1/92, 12/15/06)

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RE: Troy Football Came to Play, Ohio Football Came to ____________

Posted: 12/20/2010 8:26:31 AM

ou79 wrote:

Is anyone really serious that Troy was that good of a team? Yes they had a good game with Ok. State but played close with BGSU and ULL.

I think as the year went on Troy did get better. The BG game was not only Troy's first game of the season, it was Corey Robinson's 1st game as a starter at QB for Troy. He certainly seemed to improve as the season went on, culminating in the game against us.

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RE: Troy Football Came to Play, Ohio Football Came to ____________

Posted: 12/20/2010 9:57:33 AM

John C. Wanamaker wrote:

The Big Ten already has a limit that keep its schools from over-signing.

The WJS, and recently ESPN, have finally started to cover the practice and the SEC is the main culprit. Defections happen at all schools, but in the SEC (plus Troy, Miami, etc) those "defections" are pushed out the door.

This practice allows a team to never "miss" in recruiting. If a guy isn't cutting it, he is gone. The scholarship is not renewed.

Meanwhile, Ohio State and Michigan have 4th and 5th yr guys who are either injured or will simply never contribute. They stay on scholarship and remain on the roster.

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RE: Troy Football Came to Play, Ohio Football Came to ____________

Posted: 12/20/2010 10:17:22 AM

every school pushes kids who they feel can't play out the door one way or another they find room.

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RE: Troy Football Came to Play, Ohio Football Came to ____________

Posted: 12/20/2010 10:46:28 AM

John C. Wanamaker wrote:

Same environment but it was their 3rd trip to the New Orleans Bowl in 5 years. I don't think they are that much better than us, we just laid an egg and missed our starting QB when we needed him most. Boo is a team leader and when you are missing a key part/leader, doubt enters players minds and focus is lost.

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RE: Troy Football Came to Play, Ohio Football Came to ____________

Posted: 12/20/2010 11:11:51 AM

John C. Wanamaker wrote:

every school pushes kids who they feel can't play out the door one way or another they find room.

Then why do SEC schools recruit substantially larger classes than Big Ten schools? If they're both pushing kids out the door who don't produce, shouldn't the recruiting numbers be fairly even? It would be pointless to push guys out and not replace them with higher numbers in recruiting.

Why does Ohio State have 5th year seniors on the roster who have never contributed? Why are a few of their walk-ons given scholarships every year?

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RE: Troy Football Came to Play, Ohio Football Came to ____________

Posted: 12/20/2010 11:26:28 AM

Every school does this at different levels of involvement.....You answered the first part of your question when you already stated that the Big10 has limits on how many LOI's can be given out. Ironically this rule came about because of Nick Saban and his time at MSU. One year Saban sent out 80 NLI's for 23 spots. There are many ways to run guys off, and not every kid at every program that cant play is shown the door.

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RE: Troy Football Came to Play, Ohio Football Came to ____________

Posted: 12/20/2010 11:52:03 AM

In addition to BGSU, the other common opponent was Louisiana-Lafayette. Both the Cats and Troy beat them by 7 at home.

Troy was far superior in the bowl game, but I don't think they are THAT much better than Ohio. They do have more overall speed and athleticism, but the key to the bowl was that they were much better prepared than Ohio. On another day, I'm sure the game would be much more competitive.

Ohio's overall team speed isn't bad. But I'll have to say that we looked like we were running with concrete boots on our feet. Something wasn't right.

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Posted: 12/20/2010 12:59:51 PM

Being unprepared, whether it is with a gameplan, scouting the opponent or making sure you have the right footwear is unacceptable. We've known for two full weeks who the opponent was and the playing field. The coaching staff put these guys at a disadvantage before they even stepped into the Superdome.

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RE: Troy Football Came to Play, Ohio Football Came to ____________

Posted: 12/21/2010 11:16:58 PM

Not to make excuses, just some observations in our preparation for this game:

-We essentially disbanded the team after the Kent game. The quarter had ended, we didn't know if we would get a bowl, the continuation of the season was in limbo for weeks with the players off campus.
-When the team was called back to Athens, with no Indoor Practice facility, the weather was frightful to say the least. I can't imagine anything of a productive nature was accomplished in Athens to help prepare before we departed for New Orleans.
-After arriving in New Orleans, our starting QB remained in Athens, not becoming "eligible" for participation until Friday, thus losing precious few days of what could have been productive preparation.
-The in-game decisions by the coaching staff were baffling to say the least. IF Boo's sporadic participation was a punishment type decision, why play him at all. IF the coaching staff was really that petrified of Bates throwing the ball, shouldn't someone, anyone else been inserted as the back-up weeks ago that could actually attempt a forward pass? I unerstand the "logic" behind redshirting people for next year, I don't understand the "logic" of redshirting when it hinders "this year".
-Nothing in either of the Troy or OHIO schedules would have indicated OHIO would be routed in this game.We were non-competitive against OSU, Troy was handled by South Carolina. Both the OHIO and Troy conferences games played out about the same. With 2 common opponents and especially the Ragin Cajuns both being played mid-way thru both teams seasons, it appeared the "bookies", who usually are uncannily spot on, saw this as Troy favored by only 3, not 43, for what amounted to be a Troy home game and even after our less than stellar effort against Kent State.
-Our late season complete collapse was baffling.

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RE: Troy Football Came to Play, Ohio Football Came to ____________

Posted: 12/22/2010 12:01:26 AM

I don't really want to hear how much faster they were than us. Speed is a component of winning, but you can beat faster teams by being able to run the ball well. Not these zone blocking schemes, outside runs (though options give you... options), etc.

It is done by putting a hat on a hat with a big, strong and most importantly AGGRESSIVE offensive line with a lead blocking fullback, maybe a pulling guard for good measure. Running downhill right into the heart of the defense. I doubt Wisconsin gives a d*&^ (or two d*&^s for that matter) how fast you are, they are going to take the football, run it down your throat then reach down and rip it out so they can run it at you again.

Our line wasn't aggressive, our backs didn't have a lead blocker. A power running game wears down a faster team; you can beat speed.

Last Edited: 12/22/2010 12:03:06 AM by LoganElm_grad09

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