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Bobcat Love
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Only 250 Days Until.....

Posted: 12/27/2010 9:58:58 PM

NEW MEXICO STATE in Las Cruces!!!

Throw out the record books when Ohio and New Mexico State re-kindle the rivalry.

A. We play in the worst conference in FBS.
B. We lost to an atrocious Kent team to knock ourselves out of the MACC game.
C. We got embarrassed on National TV by Troy.
D. We open with New Mexico State next year, and then have Gardner Webb to look forward to after that.
E. The schedule gets no better, and no more exciting for the next 4 years.

Someone give me a reason, any reason, why this is going to get better. And don't tell me b/c Keller and Brazill are returning next year, or that our schedule sets up perfectly to go 11-1, or that we are going to win that first bowl game.

I want to know when and how we are going to be relevant on the National scene. No doubt we've made strides in 6 years on the Solich Plan, but it's time to take things to the next level and everything that happened this year, and the schedule put forth over the next 4 years is NOT going to cut it.

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RE: Only 250 Days Until.....

Posted: 12/27/2010 11:10:11 PM

I guess you are going to have to settle for a team that has the following goals.

1. Win 7-8 games a year
2. Have 5 of those wins come from teams that rank 100-120 nationally (thus have a SOS near 120)
3. Lose 1-2 games a year against teams that are ranked near the bottom nationally
4. Get pounded in the money game
5. Almost win the MAC east- or win it and then lose badly in the MACC
6. Make a bowl game that loses the University hundreds of thousands of $$
7. Then look completely unprepared in the bowl game thus assuring that #6 stings that much more

Hey, you have to admit it sure does beat going 1-11.

The reality is that up until now Ohio has lacked the skill players to take us to the next level. There hasn't been a dominate back here for about 5 years (which is odd given Solich's history at Nebraska) or that truly special quarterback that can elevate this program. True, we have had some special WR's but that doesn't matter if you don't have the guy that can make them shine. Boo Jackson finished with some shiny numbers but all those INT's and then the late off the field matters really hurt his overall effectiveness. The facilities are coming. I just hope a special QB/RB are not too far behind.

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RE: Only 250 Days Until.....

Posted: 12/27/2010 11:13:14 PM

"There you go again!"

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RE: Only 250 Days Until.....

Posted: 12/27/2010 11:18:28 PM

Agreed, OCF. It is really hard to complain about SOS after the showing we had against Troy. How on one hand can you complain about losing to Kent and then turn around and ask for a tough schedule? I would rather go into MAC play with a 3-1 record against teams that are beatable then come into league play with a banged up demoralized 0-4 team.

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RE: Only 250 Days Until.....

Posted: 12/27/2010 11:29:03 PM

OF, I want to have an upgraded schedule probably more than anyone, but I find these diatribes so illogical that they make me reconsider my position. I'd still love to see an Indiana type BCS team in Peden in place of one of the upcoming Sisters of the Poor teams. But, I'm in favor of it because I think we are actually getting better, not because I think we stink.

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RE: Only 250 Days Until.....

Posted: 12/28/2010 1:15:24 AM

OhioCatFan wrote:

"There you go again!"

Coming from the guy that posted "I'M ON A BOAT" no less then 8 times in 8 different threads.

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RE: Only 250 Days Until.....

Posted: 12/28/2010 7:00:41 AM

The football Aggies of NMSU are literally and figuratively a program that is in the desert. Having said that, a road trip to Las Cruces is appealing to me in that my folks lived in the Mesilla Valley for many years due to work in the aerospace industry.

Dona Ana County is beautiful and somewhat exotic. It has a rich history going back hundreds of years. Plenty of outstanding and authentic New Mexican places to eat.

I would love to see us take the football series to hoops -- maybe a two game road swing that would put the Bobcats in Las Cruces for a game and either El Paso (about 50 miles away) or Albuquerque (about 4 hours north) in the same week.

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RE: Only 250 Days Until.....

Posted: 12/28/2010 7:30:44 AM

Bobcat Love wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

"There you go again!"

Coming from the guy that posted "I'M ON A BOAT" no less then 8 times in 8 different threads.

LOL!

Last Edited: 12/28/2010 8:20:42 AM by Bobcat Grad 86

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RE: Only 250 Days Until.....

Posted: 12/28/2010 8:44:43 AM

Someone give me a reason, any reason, why this is going to get better.

Maybe you will leave or quit crying like a spoiled child ?

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RE: Only 250 Days Until.....

Posted: 12/28/2010 9:33:32 AM

I agree it sometimes seems like we have the same arguements over and over. But that is because nothing is ever resolved. I tend to agree with the "upgrade" and "they (players and fans) will come" approach. How can you get enough 3 star rcruits with Wofford and Norfolk? How can fans get excited?

I suppose they haven't come, but give Miami credit. On the gridiron and in hoops, they don't seem to have a problem with an "upgraded" schedule. They seem pretty competitive in the MAC with those tougher schedules. And, I think most on this board would have traded their FB/BB schedules this year for ours!

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RE: Only 250 Days Until.....

Posted: 12/28/2010 10:38:27 AM

One example of team we could have scheduled in the past decade is UVA. They have played at Western Michigan, at Wyoming and at Middle Tenn State.

Western had a two for one deal with UVA and beat UVA once. Virginia has been a great recruiting area for us and it would be a wonderful road trip within driving distance for our alumni. UVA has also played Akron, Buffalo and has Kent State and Ball State the next few years.

There is no reason that we should not be able to get other teams like Indiana to Peden Stadium. If we are going to be Division I, then we need to provide some better games at home every few years.

You would think if we could arrange for the Marching 110 to play at UVA a few years ago we might have been able to get them on the actual football schedule.

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RE: Only 250 Days Until.....

Posted: 12/28/2010 10:41:25 AM

Bobcat Love wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

"There you go again!"

Coming from the guy that posted "I'M ON A BOAT" no less then 8 times in 8 different threads.

It's a ship, sir! A boat is something carried on a ship.

Bobcat Grad 86
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RE: Only 250 Days Until.....

Posted: 12/28/2010 11:18:41 AM

So technically speaking, the SS Minow was boatwrecked and not shipwrecked?

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RE: Only 250 Days Until.....

Posted: 12/28/2010 11:26:41 AM

Bobcat Grad 86 wrote:

Great post. This is being part of the solution. I would pay extra to see Virginia. Book it.

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RE: Only 250 Days Until.....

Posted: 12/28/2010 11:51:09 AM

Bobcat Grad 86 wrote:

Oh, how quickly we forget. Pitt 5 years ago (not exactly lower level BCS). UCONN last year (BCS BOWL GAME THIS YEAR). Both of these games were part of 1-for-1 or 2-for-1 deals. We are @Penn State in 2012, @Louisville in 2013, @Kentucky in 2014, and @Minnesota in 2015. With the exception of the Penn State game, I bet all of these are 1-for-1 or 2-for-1 deals and we should expect to see them all in Peden in the coming years. I don't think the rest of the teams are good enough for us to just agree to go play them. However, they are your lower level BCS teams (UVA) that you have asked for.

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RE: Only 250 Days Until.....

Posted: 12/28/2010 11:56:35 AM

bigbobcat wrote:

Bobcat Grad 86 wrote:

The games you mentioned are all one-way games for Ohio. I think Louisville would be a very nice home-and-home if they would agree to it.

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RE: Only 250 Days Until.....

Posted: 12/28/2010 12:13:24 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

I don't find Love's "diatribes" as illogical, but I do wonder the purpose. Is it to....

1) come here to pick fight or at least create debate.
2) truly seek logical reasoning as to how the current scheduling philosophy will take us to the next level.
3) motivate posters and readers here to create change by voicing displeasure to the administration.
4) pontificate and listen to himself talk through his written word.

I am hoping the answer is #3, but not really sure.

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RE: Only 250 Days Until.....

Posted: 12/28/2010 12:19:25 PM

Yawn!!! Bobcat Love is back! I'll see ya'll next year around football season.

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RE: Only 250 Days Until.....

Posted: 12/28/2010 12:34:47 PM

MedinaCat wrote:

Hybrid of 2 and 3. I guess I'm looking for that little diamond in the rough of inside info combined with the logical reasoning you mention.

I just wish they wouldn't have released the schedule through 2015, which etched a lot of these games in clay (not stone quite yet). Truly, that was when my "diatribes" began. Just knowing we had 6 bad years of games already lined up was depressing beyond words.

BTW - Love the personal attacks by everyone. Thanks.

Guys like OCF have provided post after post of thoughtful insight on this board since inception. So much that multiple people I know click "Mark As Read" immediately after seeing his name next to a post - without even reading. Can't say I blame them, the guy has shown absolutely ZERO knowledge of collegiate athletics, much less Ohio Athletics. But ask him about the shrimp cocktail on the Carnival Legend-By-The-Sea...and stand back.

Not sure how you can rack up hundreds of posts without an ounce of real knowledge on the subject matter at hand (Ohio Athletics), but job well done OCF. Job. Well. Done.

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RE: Only 250 Days Until.....

Posted: 12/28/2010 2:43:29 PM

NOBODY CARES ABOUT OOC SCHEDULES

BL, I don't understand what this magic elixur you so regularly opine for will cure. Suddenly if we begin scheduling better OOC opponents what will we have- better attendance in Peden? higher poll rankings? better bowls? more fan support? I would like to see bigger names too, but I don't think it makes any significant difference.

Lets start with attendance- How big of a difference will scheduling 1 "quality" opponent in Peden each year make on attendance? Our 2 biggest games ever in Peden were against UConn (24,617) and Pitt (24,545), by comparison, our biggest game this year was against Wofford (22,955). Two Big East teams drew 1,500 more fans then an FCS team. Is that the magic number to determine success? Would 1500 more fans, once a year, suddenly make OHIO football a nationally respected program? Or maybe it's a residual effect, attendance for other games in Peden will be higher after a big name comes to town. Well, lets look- attendance for the next home game after UConn- 16,018; after Pitt- 16,721, and after Wofford- 19,455. Nope, that's not it.

How about higher poll rankings? Before our last game OHIO, Fiami and Toledo all had 1 conference loss. In OOC OHIO was 2-2 with a "make-BL-angry, BL-smash" schedule and Fiami and Toledo were 1-3 with "respectable" schedules. And yet OHIO was the highest ranked of the 3 and the only one to get a vote in the AP, even though we lost to Toledo. Looks like thats not as important to voters as getting blown out on ESPN by Arizona and Boise St.

How about better bowl bids- Not a chance. ask Temple about their wins over UConn and Army, and playing Penn State tight, and how that helped them get a bowl game. Winning MAC games and improving our 0-5 bowl record is the only way to get to a bowl and get better bowl offers.

Then it must help build fan support- Conference championships and bowl wins are how you build fan support, not OOC scheduling. Do you think NIU fans are not celebrating their bowl win because it was "tainted" by a win against N Dakota?

Nobody is saying they wouldn't like to see bigger named opponents on the OOC schedule. But, this annual temper tantrum about it is beyond rediculous. If you're honest with yourself you'd agree that we aren't at the level yet to regularly compete with BCS teams, not even lowered tier ones. Sure, we might pull an upset once a decade (see Pitt) but what is the long term effect of that? Its nothing substantial, nothing near what winning 7-9 games regularly, regardless of the opponent, has done for our program.

Let's focus on getting good enough to not get trapped by a bad Kent State team two years in a row, win a MACC, and beat a bad Marshall or average Troy team in a bowl. THEN we can start crying about our OOC.

Last Edited: 12/28/2010 2:49:38 PM by perimeterpost

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RE: Only 250 Days Until.....

Posted: 12/28/2010 3:38:43 PM

Bobcat Love wrote:

Bobcat Grad 86 wrote:

Great post. This is being part of the solution. I would pay extra to see Virginia. Book it.

But, Grad and Love, have you considered the noise among UVA fans when the Cavs' OOC home schedule includes Richmond, VMI and EMU?!

Or how would you like to be a Big Ten school that has this schedule at the start of the year ... at Middle Tennessee, vs. South Dakota, vs. USC and vs. Northern Illinois ... and goes 1-3?

BTW, I'm not exactly sure what my point is ... but I'm pretty sure there is one :)

Last Edited: 12/28/2010 3:41:42 PM by Cat4ever

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RE: Only 250 Days Until.....

Posted: 12/28/2010 4:06:51 PM

perimeterpost wrote:

Let's focus on getting good enough to not get trapped by a bad Kent State team two years in a row, win a MACC, and beat a bad Marshall or average Troy team in a bowl. THEN we can start crying about our OOC.

Ding, ding, ding, ding. Winner, winner, chicken dinner.

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RE: Only 250 Days Until.....

Posted: 12/28/2010 4:46:26 PM

perimeter post I love everything that you said above, and couldn't agree more

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RE: Only 250 Days Until.....

Posted: 12/28/2010 6:55:43 PM

Bobcat Love wrote:

NEW MEXICO STATE in Las Cruces!!!

Throw out the record books when Ohio and New Mexico State re-kindle the rivalry.

A. We play in the worst conference in FBS. This is something which we can change easily and all on our own.
B. We lost to an atrocious Kent team to knock ourselves out of the MACC game. What's your point?
C. We got embarrassed on National TV by Troy. What's your point? Proving that you have your M.O.?
D. We open with New Mexico State next year, and then have Gardner Webb to look forward to after that. What's your point in re next year? Can this be changed?
E. The schedule gets no better, and no more exciting for the next 4 years. Maybe you have half a leg to stand on here. But first, oughtn't we to demolish our scheds as presently constituted instead of stinking against five teams in one season. It starts with what we do.

Someone give me a reason, any reason, why this is going to get better. And don't tell me b/c Keller and Brazill are returning next year, or that our schedule sets up perfectly to go 11-1, or that we are going to win that first bowl game.

I want to know when and how we are going to be relevant on the National scene. No doubt we've made strides in 6 years on the Solich Plan, but it's time to take things to the next level and everything that happened this year, and the schedule put forth over the next 4 years is NOT going to cut it.

See my notes above. In the vein of the love, I self-appoint them to be tremendous points. I agree with me.

Those who disagree are serious idiots and have never made a trace of a good point.

The nth thread on the same topic with the same thoughts is definitely needed.

It's good to be the love.

I may be an ass more than is necessary, love, but at least I'm not an ass about it.

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RE: Only 250 Days Until.....

Posted: 12/28/2010 10:24:16 PM

Cat4ever wrote:

Bobcat Love wrote:

Bobcat Grad 86 wrote:

Great post. This is being part of the solution. I would pay extra to see Virginia. Book it.

But, Grad and Love, have you considered the noise among UVA fans when the Cavs' OOC home schedule includes Richmond, VMI and EMU?!

Or how would you like to be a Big Ten school that has this schedule at the start of the year ... at Middle Tennessee, vs. South Dakota, vs. USC and vs. Northern Illinois ... and goes 1-3?

BTW, I'm not exactly sure what my point is ... but I'm pretty sure there is one :)

Good point, as their season ticket sales were down, not so much because of their weak non-conference schedule this year but because of huge hikes in the required donation which is why my wife gave up her season tickets of almost 25 years. After donating $500 per year they wanted a $5,000.00 per year donation for the right to purchase our same seats.

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