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Topic: Another perspective on the Break Even Bowl, etc.

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Alan Swank
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Another perspective on the Break Even Bowl, etc.

Posted: 1/27/2011 3:58:11 PM

http://www.athensnews.com/ohio/article-33090-when-ourss-h...

Last Edited: 1/27/2011 3:58:40 PM by Alan Swank

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RE: Another perspective on the Break Even Bowl, etc.

Posted: 1/27/2011 5:08:51 PM

I like that bowl name -- could be the new championship for mid-major programs.

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RE: Another perspective on the Break Even Bowl, etc.

Posted: 1/27/2011 5:30:17 PM

This is getting really stupid. The comment at the bottom really pissed me off.

The casual observer can tell you an unlimited number of positive things about Ohio Athletics.

I know only one thing (positive or negative) about the Russ College of Engineering - plagiarism. I'm not trying to be mean or spiteful, just realistic that I wouldn't trade the $15 mil in athletics for another $15 mil into the Engineering College with their recent spate of issues. I would assume the culture that fostered plagiarism had a negative effect on applications to OU, as a degree from that college became a punchline to a sick joke.

Also as a pretty intense observer.....I CANNOT tell you one Nationally recognizable piece of output (Study, Innovation, Drug, Person of Interest, Solved Math Equation, etc) that any of our colleges has produced recently. None of our academic divisions has done anything worthy enough to put Ohio University in the minds of prospective students who are looking at the University solely for academic endeavors. In fact, all I read about in the news is one scandal after another coming out of the administrative and academic offices.

With the NCAA Basketball appearance and New Orleans Bowl...you have two VERY big items to put in the "Nationally Recognized Positives" column for a long time to come. The NCAA Tournament in particular, and subsequent win v. Georgetown are enormous. Absolutely enormous, and you have your head buried in the sand if you argue otherwise. Not surprising that most of the academics aren't quite in touch with reality.

Honest to god, I can't name you any one thing of note that's come out of the Ridges, Clippenger, Lindley, Copeland, Scripps, R-Tech, Bentley or any other academic building in the past 5 years. (Before you start listing a bunch of minor accomplishments, I'm talking about big ticket things that people would know NATIONALLY). These people want more money to enhance their already bloated budgets, yet they don't produce ANYTHING visible on the NATIONAL scene to help promote Ohio University like athletics does. All they have is a hand out for a freebie.

Stop the whining already. If you want to enhance the National profile of the school and attract the best and brightest - you either start putting out quality deliverables from the academic colleges (which you haven't), or you keep pumping up athletics to get the Ohio name out there.

It's time somebody fought back against the faculty and their BS in this argument. Honest to god, I can't name one nationally recognizable piece of output from Ohio University in the past 5 years. I'd argue, the Russ College of Engineering did more to take Ohio University OFF the map instead of help advance the place. To me, it's their Professors and Administrators that should lose some of their current budget and compensation to athletics. They are the ones who made the Russ College a punchline - not athletics.

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RE: Another perspective on the Break Even Bowl, etc.

Posted: 1/27/2011 6:10:50 PM

Bobcat Love wrote:

It's time somebody fought back against the faculty and their BS in this argument. Honest to god, I can't name one nationally recognizable piece of output from Ohio University in the past 5 years. I'd argue, the Russ College of Engineering did more to take Ohio University OFF the map instead of help advance the place. To me, it's their Professors and Administrators that should lose some of their current budget and compensation to athletics. They are the ones who made the Russ College a punchline - not athletics.

Sorry Aaron, you've missed the boat big time on this. I'll post just one academic deliverable a day. Tell me when you've had enough.

Day 1: http://www.somavert.com/ was developed by this guy's group and the university got this much money http://www.oucom.ohiou.edu/OUM/Winter-09/somavert.htm

Last I heard $9.3 million was serious money.

Last Edited: 1/27/2011 6:12:25 PM by Alan Swank

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RE: Another perspective on the Break Even Bowl, etc.

Posted: 1/27/2011 6:56:19 PM

Never popped up on my RSS Feed for the Economist, Time, Fortune, Wall Street Journal, New York Times, any of 5 business journals, etc (Palin, take a note)....Sorry.

Somavert was discovered in 1988. Maybe something in the last 22 years please?

Next....

You post one academic deliverable that someone outside Ohio has heard of recently....I'll post one scandal....I'll bet I can go longer.

Last Edited: 1/27/2011 7:09:27 PM by Bobcat Love

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RE: Another perspective on the Break Even Bowl, etc.

Posted: 1/27/2011 7:09:53 PM

http://www.fox59.com/news/sns-ap-oh--studentssueuniversit...

Made its way to Indy.

Your turn.

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RE: Another perspective on the Break Even Bowl, etc.

Posted: 1/27/2011 8:09:35 PM

Dude's a poli sci prof, and in all the college fairs I've worked on behalf of Ohio I have never had a student ask me about Ohio's poli sci program.

Almost every prospective student asks me about Ohio's ICA program.

Next.

The Few, The Proud, The Bobcats!

And for the record, I hate tOSU, and Ricordati and Torgerson are DB's.

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RE: Another perspective on the Break Even Bowl, etc.

Posted: 1/27/2011 8:14:24 PM

D.A. wrote:

Are we noticing any trend in the types of folks railing against athletics? :)

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RE: Another perspective on the Break Even Bowl, etc.

Posted: 1/27/2011 8:52:45 PM

You're on Aaron. And by the way, Somavert was patented in 2003, not 1988.

Last Edited: 1/27/2011 8:54:27 PM by Alan Swank

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RE: Another perspective on the Break Even Bowl, etc.

Posted: 1/27/2011 8:56:54 PM

D.A. wrote:

And what exactly do they ask you about ICA - do we have a men's track team, do we have a men's swimming team, do we have a men's soccer team, do we have a men's lacrosse team, do we have a crew team. Up your way all of those sports are big at the high school level.

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RE: Another perspective on the Break Even Bowl, etc.

Posted: 1/27/2011 9:12:29 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

You're on Aaron. And by the way, Somavert was patented in 2003, not 1988.

The research discovery was made in 1988. I'm not going to give Ohio University's crack Bio-Pharma staff credit for maneuvering the US Patent and Trademark office for each of the 15 years it took to get patented. You can have the 1988 discovery through his work, however it looks like you just blew your wad on Day 1, because that is basically ALL of Ohio's licensing revenue with the exception of that little alternative energy project in the Engineering College. So basically we are sitting on a discovery 23 years ago to fill up our licensing coffers. Stanford just sneezed $9.3 mil btw.

Trust me, the Faculty and Administrative scandals are FAR going to outweigh the nationally relevant output from the core of the University.

If anyone wants me to go AJ Daulerio (Deadspin) and to send me tips on Scandals - I'll take em btw. No penis shots please. I've got plenty ready to go already (scandals, not penis shots), but if you can get me credible links - I'll be happy to credit you with the assist.

Mcdavis, D.A., McBin, and others get it. Athletics is the window to Ohio University. Take away athletics at the FBS level, and nobody knows anything about the place, much less cares about all the great things everyone on this board loves about Ohio University. You are small minded if you think reducing the size and scope of athletics will benefit the school in ANY way.

Swank, you went to Muskingum...so I don't expect you to support us in this argument even though you've been a resident for quite a while.

Gearing up for Day 2 in the Scandals vs. Deliverables battle......

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RE: Another perspective on the Break Even Bowl, etc.

Posted: 1/27/2011 9:23:50 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

D.A. wrote:

Goes like this typically:

S: "Are you Division One?"

DA: "Well actually we are FBS, formerly D1"

S: "Really, what Conference?"

DA: "Mid American, and we've been rather successful recently. You might recall we likely busted your bracket last year when we beat Georgetown in Providence in the first round of the NCAA Tournament. We have also been bowl eligible in four of the last six seasons, and have recently played in the GMAC Bowl and the Little Caesars Pizza Bowl." (haven't done a fair since NOB) "Finally, our Women's VB team has qualified for the NCAA Tournament several years in a row and has great student support. We have a student fan group known as the OZone as well, and they are very strong supporters at most of the major sports events and travel frequently to away games. And as a student, you are able to attend all sporting events free of charge!"

Then the conversation typically transitions to the several hundred groups available to students in which to participate, plus intramural sports.

You would be surprised (although I am haven't been) how important elective/non-class oriented activities are to prospective students, particularly when you explain that Athens in not in/near a major metro, and is actually quite rural.

Lacrosse has come up once or twice, but crew never has. FB and MBB are the one's students are really drawn to.

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RE: Another perspective on the Break Even Bowl, etc.

Posted: 1/27/2011 9:27:37 PM

Aaron, no one posting here said a thing about reducing the size and scope. To me the gist of the article had as much to do with telling the true story as it did with funding. My point in calling it the Break Even Bowl dealt with the former. As for day two, I've got another good one lined up for you.

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RE: Another perspective on the Break Even Bowl, etc.

Posted: 1/27/2011 9:54:57 PM

D.A. wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

D.A. wrote:

You would be surprised (although I am haven't been) how important elective/non-class oriented activities are to prospective students, particularly when you explain that Athens in not in/near a major metro, and is actually quite rural.

Speaking as one who has worked with students in public and private schools from North Carolina to Illinois to Maine for the past 33 years, your conversation is a bit different from the ones I've had with prospective students. Yours sounds like a conversation with the stereotypical high school boy who is fixated on three things - sports, girls and where he's going to get his next meal. Because my contact has been with kids who tend to be the cream of the crop the conversation has more to do with academic programs. OU has some great ones and unfortunately some not so great ones.

By the way volleyball has been to the NCAA tournament 8 years in a row. Add that to your speech and maybe drop the company line of bowl eligible. A kid who scores 58.3% on his test is bowl eligible when you compare the percentage of teams in D 1 that get to go to the Break Even Bowl or better. I don't think we want many kids who score in that range coming to OU.

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RE: Another perspective on the Break Even Bowl, etc.

Posted: 1/27/2011 10:59:51 PM

Editor’s note: James Mosher is an associate professor of political science at Ohio University.

Duh.

I thought he was someone who had actually attended an athletic event.

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RE: Another perspective on the Break Even Bowl, etc.

Posted: 1/27/2011 11:13:16 PM

I have a degree in poly sci. from OU. I own a music production and booking agency in Nashville. What keeps me in touch with everything Ohio, are the men's football and basketball programs. I am proud to be a member of the Bobcat club. I took my twin sons to the bowl game in the Big Easy and had a blast. The poly sci. dept. is not on the front page of USA Today or on the ESPN family of networks. Building successful programs is not easy in this economic climate, but I stand behind the jobs of Coaches Groce and Solich and Jim Schaus. Mr. Mosher would do well to do a little research, and find out how many alums in the real world feel.

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Posted: 1/27/2011 11:14:14 PM

NashvilleKat wrote:

Well said.

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RE: Another perspective on the Break Even Bowl, etc.

Posted: 1/27/2011 11:32:43 PM

NashvilleKat wrote:

I have a degree in poly sci. from OU. I own a music production and booking agency in Nashville

You hiring???

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Posted: 1/27/2011 11:48:52 PM

You never know. Check out our web site at www.rrnashville.com and give me a call.

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RE: Another perspective on the Break Even Bowl, etc.

Posted: 1/27/2011 11:59:52 PM

Help a fellow Cat out, Stevie Fresh is looking for some gigs.

You, Love, DA are all spot on, athletics is our front door, we need to get past the small stuff and make a smart commitment to give the resources needed. Note, I think we need to make prudent investments, not simply throw good money after bad (which we have shown an ability to do).

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RE: Another perspective on the Break Even Bowl, etc.

Posted: 1/28/2011 7:27:55 AM

Well said JCW!

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RE: Another perspective on the Break Even Bowl, etc.

Posted: 1/28/2011 9:10:44 AM

My in-laws are OU employees (1 retired) and this discussion comes up at every other family meal. The anti-athletics stance is being fueled by a lot of folks on campus that think they will lose their jobs if athletics continues to be funded. This is like a company saying sales are down so we are not going to advertise anymore. It would save money for a quarter or two, then create a real problem later. Maybe Ohio should get rid of the Development Office also. They don't do research or interact with students at all. I've said the same thing for 20 years. No event on campus draws 20,000 people outside of athletics. Nobody has watch parties around the country for the possibility of a an academic mention on the Discovery Channel.

I think Love is mostly correct, but there are some academic units on campus doing great things. The Schey Sales Center is one I am closely involved with that is at or near the top nationally. I write checks to athletics and academics each year. Both have merit and belong on campus. They should coexist and understand the importance of their roles in promoting the university. I know McDavis gets beat up constantly for understanding athletics' role and standing up for the department. Thank goodness he does.

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RE: Another perspective on the Break Even Bowl, etc.

Posted: 1/28/2011 9:13:02 AM

I'm with you JCW, prudent investments are the key. Athletics is a great window to our university. I hope it stays that way.

GO BOBCATS
GEORGE

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RE: Another perspective on the Break Even Bowl, etc.

Posted: 1/28/2011 9:42:13 AM

Aaron, here's today's tidbit. Paragraph 10 is the key one. $39 to $41 million isn't bad for OU's share on the sale of this company that was started in the business incubator.

Taking tomorrow and Sunday off for both Sabbaths but will have another tidbit on Monday for you.

http://www.ohio.edu/research/communications/research_roya...

Last Edited: 1/28/2011 9:42:32 AM by Alan Swank

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RE: Another perspective on the Break Even Bowl, etc.

Posted: 1/28/2011 9:44:57 AM

And here I come with a personal favorite....

$160,000 for this instability. I know he got probation, but I heard directly from a good source this could have gotten VERY ugly if an investigation hadn't taken place.

I don't need to take tomorrow and Sunday off. I've got too much material.

Saying Diagnostic Hybrids is an Ohio University endeavor is like saying Stanford should take credit for Google. You can feasibly make the claim, but it's very questionable.

Last Edited: 1/28/2011 9:47:47 AM by Bobcat Love

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