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PutnamField
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Men of character - or not

Posted: 4/22/2011 10:58:32 PM

OUr erstwhile signal-caller, Franshaw "Boo" Jackson, charged with a fresh disorderly conduct in February and now with an active arrest warrant on him for failure to appear:

Case # : 2011CRB00304
	Case filed on : 02/14/2011 Date of violation : 02/13/2011
	Filing agency : Athens City Police Officer badge : Not entered
	Ticket # : 48808 Ticket location :
	Violator name : FRANSHAW JACKSON
	Violator address : 8 PALMER ST ATHENS OH-45701
	Applicable violations :
	(1) 13.04.01B2 DISORDERLY CONDUCT Degree : MM
	Attorney last name : TOY
	Original plea : NG
	Final plea :
	Sentence : Unavailable-Warrant Date : 04/13/2011
	Fine & costs : 99.00 Total amount to pay : 99.00
	Activities:
02/14/2011	Initial Court Date: 02/15/2011 Initial Court Time: 09:30AM
02/15/2011	New Arraignment hearing held. Judge: William Grim
	Plea of Not Guilty on violation 01: ( 13.04.01B2 DISORDERLY CONDUCT )
	Judge: William Grim,Manually Selected - No Control Number assigned.
	Bench Trial scheduled before: Judge: William Grim Assigned. On 03/07/2011 @ 08:00 AM
02/23/2011	NOTICE OF APPEARAnCE,DEMAND FOR DISCOVERY AND ENTRY FILED
	Hearing scheduled before: Judge: William Grim Assigned. On 03/07/2011 @ 08:00 AM
03/03/2011	SUBPOENS FILED
03/07/2011	Hearing scheduled before: Judge: William Grim Assigned. On 04/08/2011 @ 08:00 AM
04/13/2011	New Warrant issued - FTA
	Warrant issued on 04/13/2011
	'Warrant - Contempt' processed

I wasn't going to say anything, but the scofflaw element under Frank the Tank has me saying, "I just don't care anymore." This was arguably the single most important guy on the squad last year in terms of impact on the game and being the face of the team. He wasn't some obscure backup lineman, and he can't get it together to pay a fine or show up on his court date. Don't know if the charge is for fighting, being wasted in public, making noise or what, but it hardly should matter if this guy is serious about becoming an adult and taking his valuable experiences from Athens and moving in a positive direction.

I want to just be interested in stuff happening on the field - I really do.

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RE: Men of character - or not

Posted: 4/22/2011 11:32:07 PM

a guy living on Palmer street got a disorderly conduct? stop the presses.

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PutnamField
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RE: Men of character - or not

Posted: 4/22/2011 11:45:29 PM

Agree that the original charge is likely routine/trivial. Just questioning the decision-making on going AWOL at a hearing after you plead not guilty. No biggie, just hope the QB who wins the job this year does a better job off the field. Could be a decent indicator of what to expect in terms of overall results.

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Posted: 4/22/2011 11:52:37 PM

Dont you have better things to do in your life then to look up the court docket to find out if any former players are getting in trouble or not. How exactly does this help OUr program progress? Why do you care so much to make this public? Quite frankly I dont know the entire situation and either do you so why dont you just keep quiet until all the facts come out, instead of trying to interpret a court docket.

PutnamField
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RE: Men of character - or not

Posted: 4/22/2011 11:59:48 PM

Hocking wrote:

To answer your first question, yes I usually do have better things to do. But it only took five minutes, if that.

My job isn't to boost the program.

It's already public.

How do the facts come out when you skip out on your hearing after pleading not guilty?

Hocking
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Posted: 4/23/2011 12:03:07 AM

Im not saying it didnt take long to do, just kind of weird for a "grown man" (?) to be searching for court records on former players....and if you are a true fan of the program....then it is your job to boost the program....but from what it sounds like you are a disgruntle miami alum looking to smear the OU brand.

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RE: Men of character - or not

Posted: 4/23/2011 12:05:23 AM

Hocking wrote:

+1.

Paul Graham
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Posted: 4/23/2011 12:13:05 AM

Boo parties pretty hard, is laid back and somewhat enigmatic. Basically he exemplifies what it means to be a Bobcat (for better or worse).

Monroe Slavin
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Posted: 4/23/2011 2:16:21 AM

All facts not known, so judgment can't be made.

And, if I'm not mistaken, isn't the time of the happenings here such that we are talking about a former OHIO football player. Are we now charging the coaching staff with responsibility for player conduct which occurs after active affiliation with the team?

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Posted: 4/23/2011 2:38:26 AM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Excellent points Monroe. I think It's questionable whether we should discuss issues with current student-athletes, let alone players that have moved on.

What's next? Maybe we can have Monroe give Rahim Slaise's tax return a once-over? Or perhaps we should hire a private eye to follow Tom Carder?

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RE: Men of character - or not

Posted: 4/23/2011 8:55:04 AM

PutnamField wrote:

I wasn't going to say anything, but the scofflaw element under Frank the Tank has me saying, "I just don't care anymore."

Look no further than this statement when you are wondering why someone would post this up here. Putnam no longer can drag Ohio University, and OU sports, and his #1 most hated target Coach Solich through the mud in the Athens News anymore(I assume no longer a writer), so this is the next best forum to spew venom I suppose.

This seems more like dumpster diving than Pulitzer prize work, but I guess everyone can't be on the top of their game forever.

Last Edited: 4/23/2011 8:55:58 AM by mcbin

Panda
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Posted: 4/23/2011 9:39:05 AM

This seem like a legal procedure that is being handled by attorney Toy. Putman before you put something like this on this site make sure that you get all the facts. Just don't sit by a computer and try to find daily arrest or court docket info. YOU ARE A SIC DUDE!!

By the way, those other Palmer St. DO arrests what adult, professor, administrator should we put the blame on!!

Panda

PutnamField
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Posted: 4/23/2011 5:47:54 PM

Panda wrote:

Ah, yes, Panda must be referring to that crafty legal maneuver where you curry favor with the judge by being in contempt of court. By the way, who pays Bob Toy to represent all these student-athletes?

Again - as I've written before - I don't do this on anything remotely close to a daily basis, and when I do indulge my curiosity, it only takes a few minutes.

I punched in Jackson's name a couple of months ago to see if any charges resulted from the street brawl at Courtside and to see if Boo was staying out of trouble. As you may or may not recall, there were early reports of that bar fight stemming from underage OU football recruits trying to get into Courtside while accompanied by the starting quarterback. The season didn't exactly end with a bang last year, and Jackson's availability was compromised down the stretch, with the reasons remaining somewhat mysterious and secretive. I didn't find any charges from the Courtside incident, but I noticed he'd gotten a disorderly conduct citation in February.

So yesterday (two months later) I punched in his name again to see what happened with that case and saw that he skipped a hearing and had an active arrest warrant put out on him.

If my motivation was to spread s*&( and dog people, I probably would've posted something two months ago.

Rather, my motivation - as previously stated - is to try to keep our community standards from slipping too much due to the constant influence of outsiders who don't really care about Athens. Respecting the legal process enough to show up for your court date could fall under this area of concern.

As a secondary motivation, I sincerely believe that our best chance for long-term athletic success would come from emphasizing character and exemplary behavior. Thus, I am boosting the program by holding it to a higher standard.

I also go to a lot of games, listen or watch the rest and have a lot of fun with it.

Different strokes, different folks ...

Seriously though, some of you need to lighten up on the ridiculous comparisons. Boo Jackson is way closer to the here and now of relevancy to the program and the community than Tom Carder or Rahim Slaise (great players though those guys were). Also, comparing the newsworthiness of a full scholarship athlete who starts at the most prominent position in arguably the most prominent sport with the newsworthiness of regular OU students? Do their professors rush to see them when they get hurt and ride with them in the ambulance?

It's no huge secret that Solich is "in the corner" of his players to such an extent that they can do little wrong in his eyes, and that he brings in some individuals who are enigmatic or problematic. Is he any worse about that than most other coaches nowadays? I don't know, but it's interesting to keep an eye on it. That doesn't mean I have it in for anyone or have any particular axe to grind.

BTW, Mcbin, I'm winning professional awards as of 2010, so your attempt at kicking a man when you think he's down just sailed wide like a Phillip Bates pass.

Just kidding about that last part (should have said Zac Dysert). But you really don't get it.

Last Edited: 4/25/2011 12:51:59 PM by Jeff McKinney

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Posted: 4/25/2011 2:35:51 AM

Boo is still one of the all time great Bobcats in my eyes..even Tim Tebow had a disorderly conduct that was swept under the rug come on get a life dude. Boo is a great guy and sometimes things happen to the best of us..I wonder what some of these people have hidden in their closets that makes them want to uncover the dirt on everyone else all the time...actually I really dont care. I've spent time with Boo and seen him interact with many people and my judgement is he is a great human being....not a damn robotic Mr Universe. If you want to dig up dirt then look up how many convicted felons are on the Buckeyes team...last count someone made was 8. Oh but you dont want to hear that because I assume you worship at the feet of the golden calf in columbus too? Frank Solich has run a good program here at Ohio and hopefully for Ohio he will stay after this great season in 2011.

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Posted: 4/25/2011 9:28:51 AM

Doc Bobcat wrote:

Hocking wrote:

+1.

+2

Smells of MH55 in our own house...

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Posted: 4/25/2011 12:41:36 PM

I'm not a big fan of shooting the messenger. And there seems to be a lot of that going on here.

However, when a person stands behind an alias, motivations are hard not to question.

I know he's not far removed, and he made poor decisions that impacted his career, but I question the value of a records search at this point in time.

I don't see a way for this not to look like a witch hunt.

Were other names searched, but clear?

Had the record been clean, would a congratulatory post been composed?

If I've been sitting on an unpaid parking ticket from OUPD, and I make statements that another person on this board does not like, am I subject to a public records search in order to be discredited? Should that somehow impact my standing in the Bobcat Club, or as a Bobcat Rep?

All that being said, I wish some of our athletes were making better decisions. I don't understand what kind of seriousness it will take to convince some people that their behavior is self-destructive. I know many people with the same problem, but I'd like to hold to a higher standard. I won't compare our standards to that of another school, because I want to hold to a higher standard.

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Posted: 4/25/2011 1:01:49 PM

I have no problem with Putnam putting the information out there. I don't have time to look that stuff up and its informative. Not sure why Boo just couldn't show up for the court date and be done with it, but that is his and Bob Toy's decision. Absolutely no reason to fire off salvos on Putnam for simply putting the information on the board, no matter what his motivation might be.

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Posted: 4/25/2011 4:19:20 PM

Look at the headline and tenor of his posts; the person put the motivation issue up for play. Given the circumstances here--player no longer on the team, allegations of misdeed(s) but no conviction, I think questioning the motivation is fair game.

I agree with Pete about seeking higher standards.

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Posted: 4/25/2011 9:43:18 PM

No conviction because the kid didn't show up for court.

Monroe Slavin
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Posted: 4/25/2011 10:22:30 PM

BattleCat, what you say is apparentlly true. But it doesn't change the fact that there has been no conviction.

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Posted: 4/25/2011 11:10:31 PM

No problem with posting the info. It's public information, it's relating to a high-profile Bobcat figure so I think it's "fair" game. I do question the "Frank the Tank" reference or whatever the _uck that means. I part company in that I don't think Frank has run a "renegade" program. Have we had our "share" of issues? Probably, but probably not anymore so in terms of quantity or degree of violations than the rest of the collegiate football world when it comes to "scofflaws".
This is not a defense of Boo. No idea why he didn't show and I'm not speculating. It's also not a defense of Frank and Company. I just think it's somewhat naive to expect Frank and friends to be investing a whole bunch of time or influence over players that have used up their eligibility and have essentially moved on from the program.

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Posted: 4/26/2011 2:04:55 AM

Would this thread have the same tone and tenor if we had an 11-1 or 12-0 season last year?

Just out of curiosity.

B.S. Journalism, 2012.

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Posted: 4/26/2011 8:51:04 AM

Boo always seemed like a nice guy to me, but I don't know him personally so I have no idea what kind of a guy he really is. All I know is that the misdeeds of "former players" do get press and it does reflect on the university they attended. That's the day we live in so you better get used to it, for better or worse.

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Posted: 4/26/2011 9:24:20 AM

Bobcat Love wrote:

This post was not a public service...

The thread title drips with sarcasm and the author refers to Coach Solich as "Frank the Tank". Anyone who's seen Old School knows what that infers...

Not to mention the fact that Disorderly Conduct covers a wide gambit of circumstances (many of which I'd be willing to bet the majority of the posters on this board have had brushes with during their tenure as students). Finally no one has the first clue why Boo didn't show up for his date.

Boo did a LOT for this program, both on and off the field and as such deserves better than internet pot shots...

I wonder if we can look forward to a post from Putnam detailing his Son's / Daughter's transgressions should he / she ever make a questionable decision or find themselves in the wrong place at the wrong time?

If you play professional sports you absolutely open yourself to public scrutiny...Student Athletes are a different matter all together...

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Posted: 4/26/2011 10:12:57 AM

In fear of beating a dead horse.... A MM or minor misdemeanor is the lowest of all citations, basically its a traffic ticket, hence the low fine. Actually some traffic tickets are alot more pricey. MM Disorderly Conduct covers a wide range of topics....intox, public urination, open container etc. I have no idea what it was but it seems pretty minor.

Also, on a MM you don't have to show up to court if you don't want to. You can go to APD and pay the fine anytime before your court date. Now failing to show up for the court date or not paying it before hand is silly. Just adding more cost onto a minor citation. But its not the first time this has happened with an OU student (notice I didn't say athlete) and won't be the last. Now if APD runs into him again he'll have some explaining to do.

Now for my two cents. Bringing up and posting something that happended in February on a minor offense screams of an ax to grid against the student or the program. Also the "Frank the Tank" reference is just a personal attack and further evidence that there are alterior motives. Seriously, how long has it been since that DUI? The man paid his fine and has moved on. Why can't others? He made a mistake and paid dearly in the public eye for it. As another poster stated I also may have an outstanding parking ticket. What a horrible person I am!

However, for some on this board they obviously are free of sin and therefore can cast the first stone....at anyone and everyone. This sermon is ended....you may go in peace.

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