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Author Message Voice of Reason General User Member Since: 7/28/2010 Post Count: 249 Status: Offline     Athletics Responds...    Posted: 5/19/2011 2:47:03 PM  to campus criticism over their budget with and first class, above the belt, knockout punch.  If you haven't seen the video posted on Ohiobobcats.com, please make your way there now.  The video is called Ohio Athletics: A Learning Labratory.  I don't think the athletic department could have captured their value any better than they did in this video. I have long wanted the department to respond to the critics and stand up for itself.  I know they aren't able to do that in the publicly, but they found a way to do it with this video and do it in a classy manner! Outstanding job and vision from the athletic department! Back to Top shabamon General User Member Since: 11/17/2006 Location: Cincinnati Post Count: 6,864 Status: Offline     RE: Athletics Responds...    Posted: 5/19/2011 2:53:47 PM  I was just about to mention it here, too. The best part is that other than an intro from Russ, it is entirely students doing the talking. It will be interesting to see where these kids' first job will be. We know Allie LaForce is a sports reporter for a station in Cleveland, and I think Brian Boesch has something lined up, too. Back to Top oldkatz General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Post Count: 1,439 Status: Offline     RE: Athletics Responds...    Posted: 5/19/2011 3:02:29 PM  Well done! "All my inside sources tell me I have no inside sources." Salvatore "money bucks" Mafiosiano. Back to Top anorris General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Location: Bristol, CT Post Count: 2,262 Status: Offline     RE: Athletics Responds...    Posted: 5/19/2011 3:20:19 PM  shabamon wrote: I was just about to mention it here, too. The best part is that other than an intro from Russ, it is entirely students doing the talking. It will be interesting to see where these kids' first job will be. We know Allie LaForce is a sports reporter for a station in Cleveland, and I think Brian Boesch has something lined up, too. Great, great piece.  Eloquently tells the tale I've been talking about for years (and I'm in it for about a half-second!). Boesch is in Frisco, Texas this spring, doing play by play for the Frisco RoughRiders, the AA affiliate of the Texas Rangers.  Last night, he got to call a homer by last season's American League MVP Josh Hamilton as he rehabs with the club, and last week, he was again named to the STAA All-America list, making him now the only 2-time recipient ever.  Caleb Troop made the top 20 list, also for the second consecutive year. Obviously, I've been lucky enough to interact with the majority of the people both shown and interviewed in this piece, and the experiences they've had though Ohio Athletics are tremendous.  It really does go so far beyond just the athletes on the field. Back to Top JSF General User Member Since: 1/29/2005 Location: Houston, TX Post Count: 6,554 Status: Offline     RE: Athletics Responds...    Posted: 5/19/2011 4:12:34 PM  http://youtu.be/4AboE8KZjzw "Loyalty to a hometown or city is fleeting and interchangeable, but college is a stamp of identity."- Kyle Whelliston, One Beautiful Season. My blog about depression and mental illness: https://bit.ly/3buGXH8 Back to Top Doc Bobcat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 4,280 Status: Offline     RE: Athletics Responds...    Posted: 5/19/2011 4:45:00 PM  Great to see one of my former students on that list. Good stuff. Back to Top Bobcat36 General User Member Since: 1/5/2005 Location: Delaware, OH Post Count: 1,167 Status: Offline     RE: Athletics Responds...    Posted: 5/19/2011 5:18:30 PM  That was outstanding! GoBobcats!!!!            Always have been and always will be... Ohio's First and Finest! Back to Top OUnut General User Member Since: 12/29/2007 Post Count: 6 Status: Offline     RE: Athletics Responds...    Posted: 5/19/2011 6:00:23 PM  Voice of Reason wrote: to campus criticism over their budget with and first class, above the belt, knockout punch.  If you haven't seen the video posted on Ohiobobcats.com, please make your way there now.  The video is called Ohio Athletics: A Learning Labratory.  I don't think the athletic department could have captured their value any better than they did in this video. I have long wanted the department to respond to the critics and stand up for itself.  I know they aren't able to do that in the publicly, but they found a way to do it with this video and do it in a classy manner! Outstanding job and vision from the athletic department!  It did make the case for athletics being an important part of the educational experience at Ohio.  Not sure if the video made the case for being at D1 vs. D1AA or D2 or whatever. I do believe Ohio has the legacy of having arguably the best athletics academic department, so the case is stronger here.  But, what of the broader defense of athletics at D1 vs. D1AA vs D2 vs. D3, are the students and their trainers, photographers, etc. getting opportunities to build leadership skills and future technical skills but maybe at cheaper cost to the school as you move towards D3? Back to Top mcbin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 951 Status: Offline     RE: Athletics Responds...    Posted: 5/19/2011 7:00:04 PM  Great work by everyone involved in making this. Enjoyable to watch, and really showed an aspect of Ohio athletics that the average person may not think about. And all of this is also better for the fans. These students also make for a more enjoyable time following the Bobcats, with the ever-growing amount of ways to keep up with the teams. And best of luck to all of the graduating seniors as they prepare to enter the job market. Back to Top brucecuth General User Member Since: 12/21/2004 Post Count: 1,837 Status: Offline     RE: Athletics Responds...    Posted: 5/19/2011 7:21:33 PM  OUnut presents us with something to think about.  not saying i necessarily agree, but it is something to ponder... Back to Top DublinCat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 236 Status: Offline     RE: Athletics Responds...    Posted: 5/19/2011 9:11:22 PM  Great video!  Very well done! brucecuth wrote: OUnut presents us with something to think about.  not saying i necessarily agree, but it is something to ponder... Really???    The video clearly discusses all the students involved in the production of multiple NATIONAL telecasts as well as Troop discussing his side line coverage broadcasting into 3 states on multiple radio stations.  His live cut in was his first ever television experience and it was broadcast nationally on ESPN.  Two maybe four  D3 or even I-AA teams ever get any exposure.  Take a look at how many Bobcat football games will be broadcast on  National TV this year alone.  Ms. Laforce ended up doing multiple regional broadcast for Fox Sports seen nationwide on many networks.  As the video mentioned the national exposure for students is rare at this level and adds great credibility to their resume.  Not to mention the advertising value to the university.  This is a great video that produced more National academic rewards than many of the other academic majors combined.  Very well done! OU87 Back to Top Paul Graham General User Member Since: 1/18/2005 Location: The Plains, OH Post Count: 1,424 Status: Offline     RE: Athletics Responds...    Posted: 5/19/2011 10:15:18 PM  I think this is a great video and it certainly brings to light how the athletic department can enrich the academic lives of some of our students. I'd be interested in some polling to see how many of these students (and the sports ad grad students) would have attended Ohio if our teams participated in FCS, DII,DIII or what have you. I'm guessing these program would lose some status if that were to happen. On another note, I know some will be angry at me for saying this but I'm just gonna let loose because frankly this site has been way too boring as of late: Are these activities actually higher educational pursuits? Should someone be attending a university with the hopes of being a sports anchor or a play by play commentator? It strikes me as more of a trade and not a field of academic study. And even if you argue that it does belong at a university, is it the sort of field that Ohio should build its reputation on? Now we all know what Steve Hays will say when he sees this video... He will probably say that Brian Boesch should be locked in a closet and forced to read Keats for six months before he receives a diploma. Obviously that was a joke, but a part of me does wish that Ohio would focus more on disciplines with a bit more academic credibility. Back to Top djfornaismith2011 General User Member Since: 11/3/2010 Post Count: 8 Status: Offline     RE: Athletics Responds...    Posted: 5/20/2011 12:15:12 AM  Paul Graham wrote: I think this is a great video and it certainly brings to light how the athletic department can enrich the academic lives of some of our students. I'd be interested in some polling to see how many of these students (and the sports ad grad students) would have attended Ohio if our teams participated in FCS, DII,DIII or what have you. I'm guessing these program would lose some status if that were to happen. On another note, I know some will be angry at me for saying this but I'm just gonna let loose because frankly this site has been way too boring as of late: Are these activities actually higher educational pursuits? Should someone be attending a university with the hopes of being a sports anchor or a play by play commentator? It strikes me as more of a trade and not a field of academic study. And even if you argue that it does belong at a university, is it the sort of field that Ohio should build its reputation on? Now we all know what Steve Hays will say when he sees this video... He will probably say that Brian Boesch should be locked in a closet and forced to read Keats for six months before he receives a diploma. Obviously that was a joke, but a part of me does wish that Ohio would focus more on disciplines with a bit more academic credibility. I'm not sure what path one could take outside of being a former star athlete to break into the professions you mentioned. The students mentioned work harder than probably 99 percent of the campus and are being rewarded for it. Moving away from one of the programs that is consistently regarded as the best in the state would be huge mistake. "Academic credibility" is a subjective term and one has to tend very carefully when implying that a major--especially one that our university has excelled in--is not worth our time. It's a refrain that you hear a lot about from the school up north, and part of why I love our school is the practice of being proud of what we have and what we excel in. I constantly preach that OU's academics are underrated, especially within the state, and the prestige of the broadcasting program is one reason for that. Back to Top Doc Bobcat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 4,280 Status: Offline     RE: Athletics Responds...    Posted: 5/20/2011 8:40:41 AM  Obviously not every one of these students will remain close to athletics as a permanent career. To me the networking part of this is also important. I know I wish I could have included someone like a John Groce or a Frank Solich on my resume. Back to Top Bobcat36 General User Member Since: 1/5/2005 Location: Delaware, OH Post Count: 1,167 Status: Offline     RE: Athletics Responds...    Posted: 5/20/2011 9:44:42 AM  Paul Graham wrote: I think this is a great video and it certainly brings to light how the athletic department can enrich the academic lives of some of our students. I'd be interested in some polling to see how many of these students (and the sports ad grad students) would have attended Ohio if our teams participated in FCS, DII,DIII or what have you. I'm guessing these program would lose some status if that were to happen. On another note, I know some will be angry at me for saying this but I'm just gonna let loose because frankly this site has been way too boring as of late: Are these activities actually higher educational pursuits? Should someone be attending a university with the hopes of being a sports anchor or a play by play commentator? It strikes me as more of a trade and not a field of academic study. And even if you argue that it does belong at a university, is it the sort of field that Ohio should build its reputation on? Now we all know what Steve Hays will say when he sees this video... He will probably say that Brian Boesch should be locked in a closet and forced to read Keats for six months before he receives a diploma. Obviously that was a joke, but a part of me does wish that Ohio would focus more on disciplines with a bit more academic credibility. I'd like to know what the difference is between training to present play by play commentary and training to present quarterly financial results to a corporate board.    If anything (judging by my experiences in Corporate America) providing play by play is a far more honorable profession. When you get right down to it, these students have to take the core curriculum all Ohio students do.  The underlying purpose of Liberal Arts institutions is to turn out well rounded young adults who are prepared to support society in varied ways. As far as "disciplines with a bit more academic credibility"  the only people that are currently required to read Keats for six months are those that intend to either write professionally themselves or eventually turn around and teach it to other future young minds.  I'm not saying that's not honorable and useful to society...It most certainly is...But it's just as much a "trade" as broadcasting. GoBobcats!!!!            Always have been and always will be... Ohio's First and Finest! Back to Top Robert Fox General User Member Since: 11/16/2004 Location: Knoxville, TN Post Count: 2,039 Status: Offline     RE: Athletics Responds...    Posted: 5/20/2011 9:54:14 AM  Bobcat36 wrote: If anything (judging by my experiences in Corporate America) providing play by play is a far more honorable profession. I don't disagree with your overall point, but this is a bit of a stretch. Back to Top D.A. General User Member Since: 8/6/2010 Location: Georgetown, ME Post Count: 1,190 Status: Offline     RE: Athletics Responds...    Posted: 5/20/2011 10:06:19 AM  I'd like to see this be a serial production, with the next being the importance of ICA in outreach and marketing to the Alumni base.  For most Chapters and Societys, their most popular events are athletics oriented, and most of those are Ohio game watch parties.  Graham Stewart and his staff talking about the value derived at the Bobcat Bashes/Caravans would be a nice component of that as well. The Few, The Proud, The Bobcats! And for the record, I hate tOSU, and Ricordati and Torgerson are DB's. "This isn't just another walkover from the MAC." Kirk Herbstreit, another DB, on College Football Gameday Back to Top Bobcat36 General User Member Since: 1/5/2005 Location: Delaware, OH Post Count: 1,167 Status: Offline     RE: Athletics Responds...    Posted: 5/20/2011 10:22:52 AM  Robert Fox wrote: Bobcat36 wrote: If anything (judging by my experiences in Corporate America) providing play by play is a far more honorable profession. I don't disagree with your overall point, but this is a bit of a stretch. Then you must be working for one of the very few honorable organizations left.  I've seen more self serving decision making in my time in the work force than I can shake a stick at.  I worked at Worldcom when Bernie Ebbers and his Executive Staff decided that their life styles were much more important than tens of thousands of hard working employees / share holders were. That's just a single example...The list of corruption is long and distinguished... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_corporate_scandals   I've seen very little since to convince me that more than a small minority in the upper echelon of Corporate America is truly pursuing the greater good.  I don't completely blame the players...The model is broken...But my stance remains the same... Last Edited: 5/20/2011 10:23:50 AM by Bobcat36 GoBobcats!!!!            Always have been and always will be... Ohio's First and Finest! Back to Top MonroeClassmate General User Member Since: 8/31/2010 Post Count: 2,167 Status: Offline     RE: Athletics Responds...    Posted: 5/20/2011 11:11:17 AM  Neat;  I want to go back and change my major! Back to Top Deciduous Forest Cat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Ohio Post Count: 4,470 Status: Offline     RE: Athletics Responds...    Posted: 5/20/2011 12:52:09 PM  DublinCat wrote: Great video!  Very well done! brucecuth wrote: OUnut presents us with something to think about.  not saying i necessarily agree, but it is something to ponder... Really???    The video clearly discusses all the students involved in the production of multiple NATIONAL telecasts as well as Troop discussing his side line coverage broadcasting into 3 states on multiple radio stations.  His live cut in was his first ever television experience and it was broadcast nationally on ESPN.  Two maybe four  D3 or even I-AA teams ever get any exposure.  Take a look at how many Bobcat football games will be broadcast on  National TV this year alone.  Ms. Laforce ended up doing multiple regional broadcast for Fox Sports seen nationwide on many networks.  As the video mentioned the national exposure for students is rare at this level and adds great credibility to their resume.  Not to mention the advertising value to the university.  This is a great video that produced more National academic rewards than many of the other academic majors combined.  Very well done! +1 - Thanks for posting this Dublin Cat. You saved me some time :) Back to Top Paul Graham General User Member Since: 1/18/2005 Location: The Plains, OH Post Count: 1,424 Status: Offline     RE: Athletics Responds...    Posted: 5/20/2011 1:06:57 PM  Let me clarify a few points: I agree that "academic credibility" is difficult to quantify and probably a condescending term. Instead, lets call it X for lack of something more accurate. I don't think that anyone would argue against the statement that physics has more X than (lets say) broadcast journalism. X being a stand-in for academic attributes such as breadth and depth of a given field and the complexity of the subject matter. Tiny sub-areas of physics are sufficiently complex to keep dozens of very smart researchers busy for their entire lives. Broadcast journalism cannot say the same. It is a major designed to send people out in the world to do a job. Broadcast journalism, business and other majors provide Y which is a measure of real world skills and the ability to get a job. Then there are degrees that have both X and Y such as engineering fields and some sciences. Now of course our university exists to supply educated graduates (and workers) to the state. If we cranked out a thousand kids with bachelors degrees in physics that would be a very bad thing. My concern for the university is primarily about priorities. I have to question the expenditure of tens of millions of dollars to provide a learning environment for a small subset of Y degrees. Is that worth the investment? Finally, I agree that these students work harder than 99% of the rest. They will all certainly do well for themselves after they leave Athens. Back to Top Bobcat36 General User Member Since: 1/5/2005 Location: Delaware, OH Post Count: 1,167 Status: Offline     RE: Athletics Responds...    Posted: 5/20/2011 2:24:49 PM  Paul Graham wrote: Let me clarify a few points: I agree that "academic credibility" is difficult to quantify and probably a condescending term. Instead, lets call it X for lack of something more accurate. I don't think that anyone would argue against the statement that physics has more X than (lets say) broadcast journalism. X being a stand-in for academic attributes such as breadth and depth of a given field and the complexity of the subject matter. Tiny sub-areas of physics are sufficiently complex to keep dozens of very smart researchers busy for their entire lives. Broadcast journalism cannot say the same. It is a major designed to send people out in the world to do a job. Broadcast journalism, business and other majors provide Y which is a measure of real world skills and the ability to get a job. Then there are degrees that have both X and Y such as engineering fields and some sciences. Now of course our university exists to supply educated graduates (and workers) to the state. If we cranked out a thousand kids with bachelors degrees in physics that would be a very bad thing. My concern for the university is primarily about priorities. I have to question the expenditure of tens of millions of dollars to provide a learning environment for a small subset of Y degrees. Is that worth the investment? Finally, I agree that these students work harder than 99% of the rest. They will all certainly do well for themselves after they leave Athens. I honestly understand what you're saying...I just don't agree...And remember you're the one that said the board was too boring...  I'm wondering how a BFA in Stage Management or Theater Performance is less of a trade than Broadcast Journalism, or for that matter how majoring in Early Childhood Education is preparing you for a broader range of career opportunities than Broadcast Journalism. Finally, a part of the reason the University spends the funds it does on Athletics is to market itself.  Doesn't placing qualified graduates into highly publicly visible positions accomplish the same thing on a different level?  How many times have we talked about how beneficial it is when Matt Lauer mentions his Alma Mater on air or when Peter King mentions Ohio in a piece?  GoBobcats!!!!            Always have been and always will be... Ohio's First and Finest! Back to Top Mike Johnson General User Member Since: 11/11/2004 Location: North Canton, OH Post Count: 1,736 Status: Offline     RE: Athletics Responds...    Posted: 5/20/2011 2:39:47 PM  Paul Graham wrote: I think this is a great video and it certainly brings to light how the athletic department can enrich the academic lives of some of our students. I'd be interested in some polling to see how many of these students (and the sports ad grad students) would have attended Ohio if our teams participated in FCS, DII,DIII or what have you. I'm guessing these program would lose some status if that were to happen. On another note, I know some will be angry at me for saying this but I'm just gonna let loose because frankly this site has been way too boring as of late: Are these activities actually higher educational pursuits? Should someone be attending a university with the hopes of being a sports anchor or a play by play commentator? It strikes me as more of a trade and not a field of academic study. And even if you argue that it does belong at a university, is it the sort of field that Ohio should build its reputation on? Now we all know what Steve Hays will say when he sees this video... He will probably say that Brian Boesch should be locked in a closet and forced to read Keats for six months before he receives a diploma. Obviously that was a joke, but a part of me does wish that Ohio would focus more on disciplines with a bit more academic credibility. Sports anchor or play by play commentator a trade or field of academic study?  Hmmm...If a trade, what does that make: * Engineering? * Medicine? * Business administration? * Law? * Nursing? * Teaching? * Architecture? * Divinity? http://www.facebook.com/mikejohnson.author Back to Top sargentfan General User Member Since: 3/16/2005 Post Count: 917 Status: Offline     RE: Athletics Responds...    Posted: 5/20/2011 3:12:29 PM  I know some of you know this, but others might not.  Recently we have had two OU graduates from the last couple years take their experiences working and covering athletics into real world jobs.  One student (who I worked intramurals with) worked on Bobcat Blitz and is now the 11pm sports guy for NBC 4 in Columbus.  The other student (who was my resident as a RA) did audiovisual work at Bobcat Athletic events and now does a similar job at WBNS 10 I believe in Columbus. So its not like these kids are doing this for fun and not making a career out of it.  They are being given a chance to get real world experience especially when these events are broadcasted regionally and nationally. Back to Top anorris General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Location: Bristol, CT Post Count: 2,262 Status: Offline     RE: Athletics Responds...    Posted: 5/20/2011 3:53:09 PM  sargentfan wrote: I know some of you know this, but others might not.  Recently we have had two OU graduates from the last couple years take their experiences working and covering athletics into real world jobs.  One student (who I worked intramurals with) worked on Bobcat Blitz and is now the 11pm sports guy for NBC 4 in Columbus.  The other student (who was my resident as a RA) did audiovisual work at Bobcat Athletic events and now does a similar job at WBNS 10 I believe in Columbus. So its not like these kids are doing this for fun and not making a career out of it.  They are being given a chance to get real world experience especially when these events are broadcasted regionally and nationally. Believe me, Barnes et. al. barely scratch the surface of the number of people, in front and behind the camera from OU all across the state and country in sports and other areas of journalism. I'm with Mike and the rest here, obviously.  I don't see it as any more of a "trade" than virtually any other traditional field of study at a University. 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