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Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top cc-cat General User Member Since: 4/5/2006 Location: matthews, NC Post Count: 3,948 Status: Offline     RE: Getting to know SweaterVest up close and personal    Posted: 6/8/2011 6:45:47 PM  Wow - obviously this whole incident has shown what a liar and fake Tressel is, but this article really paints the full picture.  Anyone that even remotely holds out respect for this man is a blind fool. Back to Top JSF General User Member Since: 1/29/2005 Location: Houston, TX Post Count: 6,554 Status: Offline     RE: Getting to know SweaterVest up close and personal    Posted: 6/8/2011 7:15:26 PM  Favor to request: Let us know when you're linking to Bleacher Report so I can go ahead and not click on it. "Loyalty to a hometown or city is fleeting and interchangeable, but college is a stamp of identity."- Kyle Whelliston, One Beautiful Season. My blog about depression and mental illness: https://bit.ly/3buGXH8 Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,446 Status: Offline     RE: Getting to know SweaterVest up close and personal    Posted: 6/8/2011 7:28:22 PM  Did this guy just cite Sports Illustrated? We already knew all this. Back to Top BattleCat General User Member Since: 11/20/2007 Post Count: 312 Status: Offline     RE: Getting to know SweaterVest up close and personal    Posted: 6/8/2011 8:56:59 PM  Noting at all new there, real followers of college football knew he was dirty 15 years ago. This story is akin to telling us Calipari or Saban have dirty past. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,762 Status: Offline     RE: Getting to know SweaterVest up close and personal    Posted: 6/8/2011 9:36:02 PM  Yes, I knew he was a questionable guy back in the YSU days, but I think it's instructive to see it all summarized in one place.  Over the years, I tend to forget details of each incident until I'm reminded in a summary of this nature.  I hope others find this helpful too.  The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top SBH General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 4,272 Status: Offline     RE: Getting to know SweaterVest up close and personal    Posted: 6/8/2011 10:34:34 PM  We offered our job to him prior to Grobe... Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,762 Status: Offline     RE: Getting to know SweaterVest up close and personal    Posted: 6/8/2011 10:45:34 PM  SBH wrote: We offered our job to him prior to Grobe... Where did you come up with that?  I've never heard that before.  I remember that his name was mentioned on some media lists, but I don't remember that he even got an interview.  As I recall the head coach at Dayton was interviewed, as he had been when PappaL was hired.  Maybe my memory is faulty.   The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Robert Fox General User Member Since: 11/16/2004 Location: Knoxville, TN Post Count: 2,039 Status: Offline     RE: Getting to know SweaterVest up close and personal    Posted: 6/9/2011 8:30:33 AM  The article is a compilation of allegations about what Tressel may have known. In the end, the writer somehow establishes that those allegations equal fact. As a journalism guy, OCF, this should be obvious to you. Back to Top SBH General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 4,272 Status: Offline     RE: Getting to know SweaterVest up close and personal    Posted: 6/9/2011 9:12:28 AM  OhioCatFan wrote: SBH wrote: We offered our job to him prior to Grobe... Where did you come up with that?  I've never heard that before.  I remember that his name was mentioned on some media lists, but I don't remember that he even got an interview.  As I recall the head coach at Dayton was interviewed, as he had been when PappaL was hired.  Maybe my memory is faulty.   It's a fact.  Said he didn't consider it a step up from Youngstown. Back to Top MonroeClassmate General User Member Since: 8/31/2010 Post Count: 2,167 Status: Offline     RE: Getting to know SweaterVest up close and personal    Posted: 6/9/2011 10:12:32 AM  Organizations like the Boy Scouts and at churches around the state require adults who will be in contact with youth to undergo periodic "ethics" type training. With so much to lose why wouldn't O$U's JT have conducted similar with his players?  Something like, this program is bigger than you; we desire your talents but you would just be in a long line of super human beings going back to ? to Archie to ?, you will run into much temptation during your stay at tO$U and you must fight hard to not give in to it because we all have so much to lose.  Any action even so trivial such as giving tickets away for a favor is against the NCAA rules and can bring down this storied program and perhaps wreck your future.  And on an on he could have gone until he said look, I want you to think before you do something of importance.  I want you to think after doing it will you be proud of it, will your parents be proud of it and will your teammates and hundreds of thousands of O$U alums and supporters be proud of it and if after doing that you can say yes to all then go ahead and do it and I'll support you to my dying breath. If that was the culture of tO$U, repeated 2-3 times per year,  there certainly may have been a rule breaker here or there but you wouldn't see a trail 10 years long and five doing something at the same time and a coach learning of the infraction planning to hide the offenses. It is obvious that JT didn't ask those questions of himself when he was tipped off to violations.  JT had time to think after the tip,  this didn't need to be a snap decision--he had lots of time to play what ifs and "gameplan" and chose a very lousy path for his players, his institution, his family and himself.  Now tO$U is the talk of the country, but not like they talk about National Champions!  Back to Top SBH General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 4,272 Status: Offline     RE: Getting to know SweaterVest up close and personal    Posted: 6/9/2011 10:30:56 AM  You can be sure that OSU compliance and coaches do all of those dog-and-pony shows multiple times per year.  Sadly, that stuff doesn't mean anything to a certain type of "elite" athlete who feels entitled to "get" as much as he can from his fame.  I'm sure coaches see and understand that and, unfortunately, some ignore trouble signs to attract and retain those athletes.  You'd better believe that if Ohio football was at or near that level, we'd have the same issues. My only hope/belief is that our administration wouldn't stand for the wink-wink-nudge-nudge crap that goes on and force coaches to maintain a higher standard.  It's fun watching OSU implode, but I'm not sure we wouldn't have similar issues if we were packing a 50,000-seat stadium and/or the Convo for every game.   Back to Top Bobcatbob General User Member Since: 12/21/2004 Location: Coolville, OH Post Count: 1,347 Status: Offline     RE: Getting to know SweaterVest up close and personal    Posted: 6/9/2011 11:02:55 AM  The only new thing here is that Tressel is subject to further investigation by the NCAA.  If he and A&M have severed ties completely, isn't he, like Pryor, free to ignore Indianapolis?  But if he is cooperating voluntarily, you better believe that A&M has a heavily vested financial interest in what he has to say. They have a lot more to lose at this point than he does.  Can you say "BUYOUT? Anybody know why the NCAA can reach Tressel now? Back to Top Deciduous Forest Cat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Ohio Post Count: 4,470 Status: Offline     RE: Getting to know SweaterVest up close and personal    Posted: 6/9/2011 11:40:25 AM  SBH wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: SBH wrote: We offered our job to him prior to Grobe... Where did you come up with that?  I've never heard that before.  I remember that his name was mentioned on some media lists, but I don't remember that he even got an interview.  As I recall the head coach at Dayton was interviewed, as he had been when PappaL was hired.  Maybe my memory is faulty.   It's a fact.  Said he didn't consider it a step up from Youngstown. At the time, that was certainly true football wise. Part of the reason we were hiring a new coach. Duh. So we probably would have won a bunch more games in the early 90s, then had them vacated by the NCAA. He most likely looked at Athens and figured there were not enough high-volume car dealerships to meet his needs. Also, not enough large companies who could pay for no-show jobs. Back to Top BattleCat General User Member Since: 11/20/2007 Post Count: 312 Status: Offline     RE: Getting to know SweaterVest up close and personal    Posted: 6/9/2011 12:01:54 PM  Nah, early 90's we had Ray in town with the Honda dealership. Back to Top Jeff McKinney Moderator Member Since: 11/12/2004 Post Count: 6,155 Status: Offline     RE: Getting to know SweaterVest up close and personal    Posted: 6/9/2011 12:13:49 PM  How much credibility does the Bleacher Report have?  Back to Top cc-cat General User Member Since: 4/5/2006 Location: matthews, NC Post Count: 3,948 Status: Offline     RE: Getting to know SweaterVest up close and personal    Posted: 6/9/2011 12:36:44 PM  No problem with trashing the Bleacher Report, but if you read the article every piece of information is public knowledge and/or attributed to another, more reputable source (ESPN, Time, etc.) - so consider it a portal to the overall story. Last Edited: 6/9/2011 12:38:13 PM by cc-cat Back to Top Robert Fox General User Member Since: 11/16/2004 Location: Knoxville, TN Post Count: 2,039 Status: Offline     RE: Getting to know SweaterVest up close and personal    Posted: 6/9/2011 1:06:30 PM  Yes but the Bleacher Report goes one step more by connecting dots and arriving at a final conclusion. Back to Top Bobcat36 General User Member Since: 1/5/2005 Location: Delaware, OH Post Count: 1,167 Status: Offline     RE: Getting to know SweaterVest up close and personal    Posted: 6/9/2011 2:18:51 PM  Bobcatbob wrote: The only new thing here is that Tressel is subject to further investigation by the NCAA.  If he and A&M have severed ties completely, isn't he, like Pryor, free to ignore Indianapolis?  But if he is cooperating voluntarily, you better believe that A&M has a heavily vested financial interest in what he has to say. They have a lot more to lose at this point than he does.  Can you say "BUYOUT? Anybody know why the NCAA can reach Tressel now? You say Buyout...I say Payoff (for taking the bullet that should have been shared by Archie & Smith) Tomato - Toma'to GoBobcats!!!!            Always have been and always will be... Ohio's First and Finest! Back to Top BattleCat General User Member Since: 11/20/2007 Post Count: 312 Status: Offline     RE: Getting to know SweaterVest up close and personal    Posted: 6/9/2011 5:58:22 PM  Gene Smith will get his, so will Doug Archie, just not until this process is over. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,762 Status: Offline     RE: Getting to know SweaterVest up close and personal    Posted: 6/9/2011 6:12:36 PM  Robert Fox wrote: The article is a compilation of allegations about what Tressel may have known. In the end, the writer somehow establishes that those allegations equal fact. As a journalism guy, OCF, this should be obvious to you. Strictly speaking, you're right RF; this is not a straight news story.  It repeats some known facts.  It adds a few tidbits here and there, and engages in a great deal of educated speculation.  My conclusion is that where there's this much smoke, there's got to be some fire.  In a court of law you can convict with enough circumstantial evidence in the absence of any hard evidence.  Don't know if this holds true for the NCAA, though.  The case against O$U at this juncture has some hard evidence particularly in the Tattoo-gate portion.  There appears to be hard evidence emerging in car-gate, also, in terms of the tax evasion aspec and in some other areas.  It seems to me this article paints a pretty convincing picture that JT has been turning a blind eye to the corruption around him for a very long time.  It is a circumstantial case, but it appears to me to be compelling.   It'll be very interesting to see how this all plays out.   The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,762 Status: Offline     RE: Getting to know SweaterVest up close and personal    Posted: 6/9/2011 6:13:47 PM  SBH wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: SBH wrote: We offered our job to him prior to Grobe... Where did you come up with that?  I've never heard that before.  I remember that his name was mentioned on some media lists, but I don't remember that he even got an interview.  As I recall the head coach at Dayton was interviewed, as he had been when PappaL was hired.  Maybe my memory is faulty.   It's a fact.  Said he didn't consider it a step up from Youngstown. OK, I'll take your word for it and plead "senior moment."   Last Edited: 6/9/2011 6:14:38 PM by OhioCatFan The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Robert Fox General User Member Since: 11/16/2004 Location: Knoxville, TN Post Count: 2,039 Status: Offline     RE: Getting to know SweaterVest up close and personal    Posted: 6/9/2011 10:33:04 PM  The article claims Clarett hangs the coach out to dry. However in my local paper--just today--there's an AP article quoting Clarett defending the coach. As I see it, the Bleacher Report article is not much more than a straight opinion piece. Back to Top JSF General User Member Since: 1/29/2005 Location: Houston, TX Post Count: 6,554 Status: Offline     RE: Getting to know SweaterVest up close and personal    Posted: 6/9/2011 10:50:58 PM  Jeff McKinney wrote: How much credibility does the Bleacher Report have?  Zero. "Loyalty to a hometown or city is fleeting and interchangeable, but college is a stamp of identity."- Kyle Whelliston, One Beautiful Season. My blog about depression and mental illness: https://bit.ly/3buGXH8 Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,762 Status: Offline     RE: Getting to know SweaterVest up close and personal    Posted: 6/9/2011 10:53:11 PM  OhioCatFan wrote: SBH wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: SBH wrote: We offered our job to him prior to Grobe... Where did you come up with that?  I've never heard that before.  I remember that his name was mentioned on some media lists, but I don't remember that he even got an interview.  As I recall the head coach at Dayton was interviewed, as he had been when PappaL was hired.  Maybe my memory is faulty.   It's a fact.  Said he didn't consider it a step up from Youngstown. OK, I'll take your word for it and plead "senior moment."   Hold the phone, I just received information from a source who has personal knowledge of this situation.  He says that while JT was a candidate for the job when Grobe was hired (and earlier when PapaL was hired) he was never offered the job either time.  So, if he said he declined an offer, it was just another one of his lies.   Last Edited: 6/9/2011 10:54:05 PM by OhioCatFan The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." 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