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OhioCatFan
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Where are they now?

Posted: 6/4/2011 11:32:28 PM

After reading the latest on the A&M football scandals, I started to wonder just where are Ozcat, Mr. Mo Jo Rising, and their fellow travelers. It's been many a moon since there's been a live sighting of them. Have they left the Buckeye State? This would be consistent with the internet rumor that they've moved to Michigan and are now disguising themselves as weasels in blue and yellow clothing.

[Note: Wolverines are the biggest members of the weasel family.]

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RE: Where are they now?

Posted: 6/5/2011 6:51:03 AM

For them to be on would be like Maria Shriver espousing the virtues of Arnold of Infidelity fame, what are they supposed to say?

When I told a fan of the Culture of Corruption in Columbus that Toledo will win in September, I received the reply that it may be rough the next couple of years on the national level but that the Buckeye third stringers would still beat a MAC level team! Somehow this beatdown they have received hasn't brought down the pedestal. The Buckeye Fans on here will bide their time and will return IF positive results are out and then gloat to us of how proficiently their team has performed with all the world hating them. Of course if after a few years it is all Wisconsin, Nebraska and the Michigans well then we might see a new pledge of allegiance.

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RE: Where are they now?

Posted: 6/5/2011 4:23:33 PM

MonroeClassmate wrote:

I used to argue against that kind of rhetoric. However after last year's beat-down, I don't have much to say.

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RE: Where are they now?

Posted: 6/6/2011 9:36:31 AM

OhioCatFan wrote:

Don't forget Your Name too...He was always a treat...

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RE: Where are they now?

Posted: 6/6/2011 9:53:40 AM

MonroeClassmate wrote:

If you're going to stand at the top of the pedestal and scream your loyalties to the masses, you should be there to help with the clean-up when it crumbles too. The silence tells you all you need to know about "The Best Fans in the Land"...

For the record, I absolutely expect Toledo to have a real shot at winning that game. There have been examples in the recent past that a MAC / O$U game has come down to a single series, bad call or fluke play (Miami, BG, Marshall, Ohio)...Teams like Navy have taken them to the wire too.

With either a True Freshman or Bauserman at the helm and very litle experience at WR (not to mention the fact that their fan base is well known to not deal well with adveristy during games ) they are vulnerable.

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RE: Where are they now?

Posted: 6/6/2011 10:23:55 AM

Not everyone in Central Ohio has had their Kool-Aid, which makes me think there is still hope. Unfortunately, I believe Ms. Miller has misread the average A&M fan. They won't be there tailgating when the losses start piling up and that's the shame of it for the "average" student-athlete that she hopes to attract. It sounds like she needs to come on down to Peden for the experience she craves.

The Dispatch, June 6, 2011.

OSU needs better quality of athlete

Monday, June 6, 2011 03:07 AM

Why can't Ohio State University be just that? A school. According to the application, a student must have a GPA of 3.0 to be accepted. Does OSU follow this rule for everyone?

If it did, it would have a good football team one year, maybe a great one now and then, and maybe even a losing season sometimes. So what? It's a school. The football games would would be well-attended, the band would be there, the tailgating would be going on, and there would be nothing to hide.

No tattooed losers who would leave for the NFL ASAP anyway, after selling their “treasured” gold pants and championship rings.

Does OSU really want a national championship every year that badly?

JEAN MILLER

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RE: Where are they now?

Posted: 6/6/2011 12:21:32 PM

What do you expect an OSU fan to say on a hostile board, I keep out of any OSU discussions cause there is nothing to be gained by it.

But yeah it does suck to see this happening and you wonder how much is true or false and what else is waiting in the shadows. It also sucks because you know other schools probably have had similar instances happen that haven't been reported, but as it is OSU they are under a tighter microscope and due to their success it created more memorabilia into the hands of their athletes. You would assume that at a school where you might have only cashed in once in your fours years that you would probably be more apt to hold on to it than sell it. What ends up coming out of the car thing will probably really be the nail in the coffin though if things come out as people expect.

I personally believe that Tressel was worried more about his players getting caught up in the drugs part than anything, but he still made a grave mistake and unfortunately for him his players put him in such a position that he would be the main victim of their choices. However I don't fully blame him because in a town like Columbus you know that shady and gray area stuff has been going on for decades, its not his fault there was already a culture here and it shouldn't be his job to stamp it out.

As for the future success of OSU I see them taking a slight downturn, but nothing on the level of Michigan, as long as they end up keeping the current coaching staff. Because OSU is always going to draw talent because of their success in getting players drafted and having them be successful in the NFL. Of course any post-season ban will be the real tester, but I doubt they will be out more than 2 years which shouldn't affect a recruit all that much, the current players would be hurt more by that.

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RE: Where are they now?

Posted: 6/6/2011 1:41:48 PM

Bobcatbob wrote:

OSU needs better quality of athlete

Monday, June 6, 2011 03:07 AM

Why can't Ohio State University be just that? A school. According to the application, a student must have a GPA of 3.0 to be accepted. Does OSU follow this rule for everyone?

No tattooed losers who would leave for the NFL ASAP anyway, after selling their “treasured” gold pants and championship rings.

Does OSU really want a national championship every year that badly?

JEAN MILLER

Delaware

People love to blame the players but they didn't ask for this system. If they want to play in the NFL they have to go to college and pretend to be students for a couple years. Unfortunately there is no correlation between being a defensive tackle and a scholar. The whole thing is so ridiculous. The latest episodes in Columbus just sheds more light on what a farce this whole system is. The kids may get the blame now but it's the Gordon Gee's (and us to some extent) that are at fault.

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RE: Where are they now?

Posted: 6/6/2011 2:02:30 PM

Do people in Columbus (aka Buckeye fans) still think this is about tattoos? Are they that clueless?

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RE: Where are they now?

Posted: 6/6/2011 10:20:18 PM

Enlighten us, what is this all about?

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RE: Where are they now?

Posted: 6/7/2011 8:19:46 AM

BattleCat wrote:

Enlighten us, what is this all about?

As I stated in another thread that you have been active in -- This is not about tattoos. This is about lying and cheating. Tressel cheated and then he lied about it. He played players he knew had jeopardized their eligibility. He played players knowing that had the NCAA known what he knew the players would not have been allowed to dress. This is not about players selling merchandise. This is about a coach playing players that should have been on the sidelines. This is about a coach hiding information in order to give his team a better chance on winning. This is about lying and cheating. Tressel lied and cheated. OSU lied and cheated. Had they admitted from the beginning about the trading of tattoos for merchandise there would have been a slap on the wrist to the players (3-4 game suspension) and that would have been the end of it. But they lied about it - which put Tressel in the cross hairs, and that gave reason for the NCAA to dig deeper. Which has now led to (at the least) what appears to be "car-gate" - which will lead to the harshest penalties because of LOIC.

Tattoos? Do you really think the NCAA would be looking at USC level punishment for tattoos?

Last Edited: 6/7/2011 8:35:34 AM by cc-cat

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RE: Where are they now? (NT)

Posted: 6/7/2011 8:26:07 AM

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RE: Where are they now?

Posted: 6/7/2011 10:07:14 AM

cc cat wrote:

BattleCat wrote:

Enlighten us, what is this all about?

Well stated CC...

It's also about an entire administration purposely "not knowing"...Walk up to any student on campus and they can tell you the car thing has been going on forever bc they see what the high profile players are driving. The fact that Doug Archie is still sitting in his seat as Compliance Director and Gene Smith is still the AD, tells you all you need to know about how serious Gee is about "scrubbing" the system. They've been completely exposed and still spit out meaningless propoganda. The new NCAA leadership isn't going to sit still for the arrogance any longer...The hammer is coming...

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RE: Where are they now?

Posted: 6/7/2011 10:31:53 AM

I thought Gee made another error in using the word "scrubbing." Scrubbing to me means removing evidence.

Interesting note on Archie - he's a grad of OU's Sports Management program.

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RE: Where are they now?

Posted: 6/7/2011 12:25:58 PM

cc cat wrote:

BattleCat wrote:

Enlighten us, what is this all about?

We will just have to wait and see on that. As Piney posted on another thread, some of you hoping for USC type penalties may be very disappointed.

Last Edited: 6/7/2011 12:31:27 PM by BattleCat

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RE: Where are they now?

Posted: 6/7/2011 12:27:03 PM

Bobcat36 wrote:

cc cat wrote:

BattleCat wrote:

Enlighten us, what is this all about?

this car thing is going on with every school in the Nation that has big time athletics. There very well may be nothing there, will have to wait and see.

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RE: Where are they now?

Posted: 6/7/2011 2:28:40 PM

BattleCat wrote:

this car thing is going on with every school in the Nation that has big time athletics. There very well may be nothing there, will have to wait and see.

Which is it?

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RE: Where are they now?

Posted: 6/7/2011 2:59:52 PM

Not understanding your question?

But dealerships work loans with many players at big schools, potential earnings and parent co-signers. These kids make good money when living off campus and collecting scholarship checks, and having few living expenses.

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RE: Where are they now?

Posted: 6/7/2011 3:06:29 PM

I was just saying that in one breath you said it was going on everywhere but at the same time there may be nothing to find at O$U.

I understand there are "good deals" made all the time to extend the dealerships relationships, but those deals should be similar to those that family / friends of the delaership already get. I loved how everyone was celebrating when the Dispatch had to report that Gibson did indeed pay for his Chrysler 300. Problem is he paid literally $10K less than the value of that same car if it were purchased today all these years later.

And good deals still doesn't touch on Pryor / Clarett's "loaners"...I don't care how anyone wants to justify it...That situation is simply not something the normal public has access to...

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RE: Where are they now?

Posted: 6/7/2011 3:17:02 PM

What I meant is it is going on everywhere, and 99% of the time there is not a violation.

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RE: Where are they now?

Posted: 6/7/2011 3:25:24 PM

So we all agree, it is not about tattoos. Car gate withstanding, if Tressel had played it straight he would have a job and the players would have a slap on the wrist for the tattoos. But he didn't, OSU didn't. They lied to the NCAA and in doing so, allowed themselves to play players that should have had a seat - thus cheating - and that is what has led to today. It is not about tattoos. It is about lying and, in doing so (regardless of the rationale for lying), gaining (or given some of the competition) maintaining a competitive advantage. OSU hopes it is not about cars in anyway. The lying and cheating will get them close to "USC" sanctions. My guess is if it is lying, cheating and Pryor's cars - they will equal USC sanctions. Car-gate will put OSU above and beyond USC sanctions. We'll have to wait and see. I'd expect the AD to be gone as part of the "bargaining/scrubbing." But enough with it is "only tattoos."

Last Edited: 6/7/2011 3:37:28 PM by cc-cat

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RE: Where are they now?

Posted: 6/7/2011 3:43:41 PM

BattleCat wrote:

What I meant is it is going on everywhere, and 99% of the time there is not a violation.

Ah gotcha...

Honestly though...They're going to dig deep now that former players have made public statements about the practice. Doesn't much matter that you retract them after you feel the backlash of the Buckeye "Family"...It's already out there...

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RE: Where are they now?

Posted: 6/7/2011 4:30:56 PM

Athletes (football) are barely given enough to cover their housing expenses off campus, and their meal plan is not nearly enough to feed them (especially my kid). If they manage their funds closely they may have a little bit left over after housing expenses to offset what is lacking on the meal plan. These guys are not able to get a job due to school and training schedules. It is no wonder these guys are tempted by the easy money.

I see alot on this board about how these guys are getting a "free" education. Believe me, it is far from free. These guys work their butts off. Also to note that their scholarship is not "guaranteed" it is re-evaluated on a yearly basis.

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RE: Where are they now?

Posted: 6/7/2011 5:31:09 PM

79, that's one of the two reasons that I have long said a training table would be preferable. The other reason is that with a training table the staff could have more influence in terms of a healthy diet.

�We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.� ― Epictetus

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RE: Where are they now?

Posted: 6/7/2011 5:46:53 PM

79DAD wrote:

+1. The "free" education thing is complete malarkey. They are indentured servants. In the case of TOSU the athletes bring in HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of dollars per year for the university. In exchange they are excused from paying tuition and given a meager stipend for year-around grueling work. I think it is pretty obvious that this system has evolved such that it is no longer sustainable. I'm not sure how this can be done, but somehow the players have to be compensated for their efforts. Or, perhaps a NFL minor league is needed.

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