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ODoyle110
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Ohio Beats OSU

Posted: 7/8/2011 1:22:34 PM

http://www2.nbc4i.com/sports/2011/jul/08/osu-vacates-2010...

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/sports/stories/2011/...

It's official now, ok, maybe vacate means the game no longer happened, but it still counts in my mind because they no longer have a win against us in 2010.

Last Edited: 7/8/2011 1:42:34 PM by ODoyle110

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RE: Ohio Beats OSU

Posted: 7/8/2011 1:48:28 PM

ODoyle110 wrote:

But Ohio still has the loss. Unless the NCAA rules the games as forfeits, which has not been the way they've been ruling lately.

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RE: Ohio Beats OSU

Posted: 7/8/2011 1:48:32 PM

We didn't win, but since we no longer lost, our losing streak to them is over.

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RE: Ohio Beats OSU

Posted: 7/8/2011 1:50:40 PM

I was under the impression that Ohio still gets the loss. If you to the College Football Data Warehouse, it takes away the wins from USC for the games tey vacated. But their opponents still get the loss.

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RE: Ohio Beats OSU

Posted: 7/8/2011 1:56:14 PM

I note that they changed Tressel's resignation to a retirement. I presume that with this change he gets a pension?

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RE: Ohio Beats OSU

Posted: 7/8/2011 2:03:55 PM

pension - yes, $52,000.

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Ohio State says it's vacating its wins from the 2010 football season, including the Buckeyes' victory over Arkansas in the 2011 Sugar Bowl.

Responding to NCAA allegations over a memorabilia-for-cash scandal that cost former coach Jim Tressel his job, Ohio State says Friday it also is waiving a $250,000 fine it had imposed on Tressel and changing his resignation to a retirement. Through the school, the ex-Buckeyes coach says that he is taking responsibility for the NCAA inquiry, which developed after it was learned Tressel failed to report players receiving improper benefits.

The university also is imposing a two-year probation period on the program, which means there would be harsher penalties if any further wrongdoing is discovered.

So let me get this straight. OSU is saying Tressel is the only one involved and that the University should not be held accountable. Accordingly, since this man did such harm to the University on his own, they are not going to fine him $250,000, but rather, they are going to pay him over $50,000 as he retires.

Additionally, they have voided all wins from last year and swear, and really mean it this time that should anything else happen in the near future then they are really, really going to come down hard on themselves.

What arrogant idiots.

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RE: Ohio Beats OSU

Posted: 7/8/2011 2:27:37 PM

The NCAA should rule these games forfeits. This vacate business only makes sense when you are talking about a tournament situation where you can't go back and change the whole interlocking wins and losses schemata because one team is retroactively ruled to have been playing an ineligible player.

Also, the NCAA is going to come down much harder on O$U than they have come down on themselves.

Hmm . . . interesting to find out now that Tressel retired. What are these jokers trying to pull?

Last Edited: 7/8/2011 2:29:16 PM by OhioCatFan

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RE: Ohio Beats OSU

Posted: 7/8/2011 2:42:31 PM

Dominos falling....

Tressel
Pryor
2010 regular season
Sugar Bowl

looking further down the line of dominos...

Multi-year Bowl Ban
Scholarship reductions
Smith fired
Gee resigns

Bring Back Men's Track & Field

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RE: Ohio Beats OSU

Posted: 7/8/2011 2:51:08 PM

How do they get to set their own punishment? What a joke they are. The Sugar Bowl was a complete fraud.

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RE: Ohio Beats OSU

Posted: 7/8/2011 2:51:32 PM

But we.....ARE THE FIRST TEAM FROM OHIO SINCE 1921 THAT OHIO STATE HAS PLAYED AND NOT GOTTEN THE WIN AGAINST!!!! YEAH BABY!!!!!!! WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

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RE: Ohio Beats OSU

Posted: 7/8/2011 3:03:29 PM

I was at the game and they pounded us pretty good. Don't see any way we have a victory out of this. I am pretty sure most proud Bobcats don't accept technical or moral victories.

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RE: Ohio Beats OSU

Posted: 7/8/2011 3:04:54 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

Hmm . . . interesting to find out now that Tressel retired. What are these jokers trying to pull?

Well.... Tressel screwed up this one big time. But, overall if OSU want to consider him a retiree and give him whatever perks that entails (a parking pass or membership to an OSU retirement club or whatever) then I don't think that's a big deal. In terms of his pension or 401, OSU has no control over that.

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RE: Ohio Beats OSU

Posted: 7/8/2011 3:08:16 PM

Ohio69 wrote:

But, overall if OSU want to consider him a retiree and give him whatever perks that entails (a parking pass or membership to an OSU retirement club or whatever) then I don't think that's a big deal. In terms of his pension or 401, OSU has no control over that.

Actually I believe a large part of it was so that he could keep benefits like health insurance, etc. from the state which is an absolute crock.

ytownbobcat wrote:

How do they get to set their own punishment? What a joke they are. The Sugar Bowl was a complete fraud.

This is just their self-imposed penalty -- the NCAA can accept their penalties, or add more of its own. The NCAA will come down on them much harder than they came down on themselves, bet on it.

Last Edited: 7/8/2011 3:09:39 PM by anorris

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RE: Ohio Beats OSU

Posted: 7/8/2011 3:17:17 PM

Anorris -- If Tressel was in the state pension plans, then OSU has no control over his health care either. That's all controlled by the state pension plans. And, they don't care how/why you left employment. Competence while working does not factor in. If you have the years of service for benefits, you get them.

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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RE: Ohio Beats OSU

Posted: 7/8/2011 3:18:13 PM

Oh, and VICTORY !!!!!!

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RE: Ohio Beats OSU

Posted: 7/8/2011 3:28:24 PM

L.C. wrote:

I note that they changed Tressel's resignation to a retirement. I presume that with this change he gets a pension?

Resignation, retirement or even fired, Tressel has his 30 years of STRS in and was a State Employee, so he is entitled to his pension.

As for the OSU game, they simply vacate the wins, we still get the loss.

And you guys are setting your self up for disappointment on this sanction stuff in my opinion. Going to play out like a Nancy Grace show after the Anthony Trial, you will be in disbelief. Sports Illustrated just chimed in that the penalties were reasonable.

Last Edited: 7/8/2011 4:26:41 PM by BattleCat

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RE: Ohio Beats OSU

Posted: 7/8/2011 4:47:49 PM

BattleCat wrote:

And you guys are setting your self up for disappointment on this sanction stuff in my opinion. Going to play out like a Nancy Grace show after the Anthony Trial, you will be in disbelief. Sports Illustrated just chimed in that the penalties were reasonable.

Yep, unless the NCAA sends another Notice of Allegations for the Cars/TP/Memoribilia... this is all that is going to happen. MAYBE the NCAA might tack a few scholarship losses (like 2-3 per year for 3-4 years) or extend the probation. And don't hold your breathe on another Notice of Allegations from the NCAA as most of the stuff that has been reported over the past few months haven't been proven by the NCAA.

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RE: Ohio Beats OSU

Posted: 7/8/2011 5:22:56 PM

It has just been reported that Tressel did not resign but was fired and that the university is paying him a severance.
This is all part of their overall strategy of blaming the coach and only the coach with the hope that they can eloquently present their case that they have removed the rotten apple and this apple acted soley alone. This issue is not a systemic one and therefore their penalty should not be at the level of USC's.
I think it's a good strategy perhaps their only startegy. Good luck guys.
This is not yesterdays NCAA.
Harsh punishment will be forth coming.

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RE: Ohio Beats OSU

Posted: 7/8/2011 5:41:22 PM

I was at that game and we pounded them. Now the world will acknowledge our W.

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RE: Ohio Beats OSU

Posted: 7/8/2011 5:47:36 PM

Piney/BC - no surprise that I disagree. But what you may think is simply blind hatred for OSU playing itself out in wanting/praying for tough penalties is actually based on the fact I am hearing the same rhetoric out of Knoxville as I hear out of Columbus/you - which isn't a good thing for either Knoxville or Columbus. The husband of a business associate is UT through and through. Friend of mine is ex-UT women's basketball player. Both echo the same rhetoric - we got rid of Pearl, the infractions are no big deal, we are cleaning our house and imposing sanctions, etc. Unfortunately, it is a bad time to be under the gun.

The NCAA has made it clear they want to be tough on those caught breaking the rules - "We need to make sure our penalty structure and enforcement process imposes a thoughtful level of concern, and that the cost of violating the rules costs more than not violating them" - Mark Emmert NCAA President. The NCAA knows everyone is pulling these shenanigans. But they can't look the other way when they are so out in the open. Unfortunately, the NCAA has incredible leeway in assigning penalty. Based on a little fire and a lot of smoke, they can assign pretty tough sanctions. More than what you would get for tattoos.

At the end of the day, they know as fact, the answer to three questions.

Did Tressel/OSU know the players were selling memorabilia, and/or trading for tattoos (both of which are an infraction thus making the players ineligible). Answer is Yes.

And then the two biggies:

Did Tressel/OSU knowingly then allow these players to play. The Answer is Yes. Thus the coach knowingly played ineligible players and knowingly broke the rules.

Was the coach less than forthright in dealing with the NCAA? The answer is yes. When provided the opportunity to come clean, he did not - over and over again.

It is not a question of what they should get, it is what they will get. The NCAA comes down hard when they have anything to go on - just ask UNC (a second tier program). And yes, that involved an agent, but do you think the NCAA feels the guy in Columbus is stand-up?

And today's actions regarding Tressel will not help their argument. We blame the coach. He alone caused all this. So we got rid of him. Rescind his $250,000 fine and pay him $50,000. How convenient that the day he formally falls on the sword with the NCAA he profits $300,000.

They will not let UT or OSU off lightly. Will they let them break the rules and punish themselves? They simply can't. They come down light - the whole country laughs at them. They come down hard and Columbus and Knoxville are upset. Pretty easy choice. Not justice, just reality.

We'll see in a few months.

Last Edited: 7/8/2011 5:58:09 PM by cc-cat

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RE: Ohio Beats OSU

Posted: 7/8/2011 6:58:35 PM

My Cowtown source, who I quoted one time earlier and gave the name "Deep Pigskin," says O$U is braced for "USC-level sanctions."

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RE: Ohio Beats OSU

Posted: 7/8/2011 7:20:56 PM

If I was the NCAA, part of any punishment would include this:

Ohio State is mandated to play an away game at each of the OOC teams it played in 2010... and forgo any payment for these games.

Now that's punishment. Real punishment.

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RE: Ohio Beats OSU

Posted: 7/8/2011 7:30:37 PM

Ted Thompson wrote:

It technically is in the books as if we lost that week, but lost to no team in particular or something goofy.

Last Edited: 7/8/2011 7:31:45 PM by ts1227

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RE: Ohio Beats OSU

Posted: 7/8/2011 8:31:53 PM

First Street Forever wrote:

You know, that is actually a hell of an idea.

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RE: Ohio Beats OSU

Posted: 7/8/2011 9:46:33 PM

We were thumpted. Ugliest loss I've seen in the last 6 years(although Troy was close). I've done everthing I can to forget the game and now all this crap.

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