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71 BOBCAT
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2012 Recruits

Posted: 6/27/2011 10:56:52 AM

I am seeing all these articles about Temple recruits commiting for the class of 2012 and don't see anything for the Bobcats.
Can anyone shed some light on out situation?

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RE: 2012 Recruits

Posted: 6/27/2011 2:47:29 PM

Ted has a whole page that he works hard to keep updated on recruits, which you can find under "FOOTBALL-RECRUITING". His information on Ohio offers, acceptances, etc, is always better than any of the major recruiting services. Ted does not get nearly the appreciation that he deserves for all the hard work he does in this area. There is also a whole separate forum for discussing Football recruiting under "MESSAGE BOARD-RECRUITING".

That said, every year Temple seems to get a lot of early verbals, much earlier than Ohio. The last couple years Ohio has started getting a few verbals during the summer, and this year Ohio already has one good one. Even then it seems like it is usually Oct-November before the recruiting class starts filling up. Ohio always manages to have a decent class when it's all done, and I'm sure they will this year, too.

Another difference in Temple's recruiting has been that their recruiting classes always seem to be quite a bit larger than Ohio's, indicating significant turnover. In the last 5 recruiting classs (2007-2011) Ohio has given 103 scholarships, or 20.6 a year. Meanwhile Temple has give 129 verbals, or nearly 26 a year. Note that of the 129 verbals, only 85 can be on scholarship, so something like 1/3 of Temple players from the last 5 years no longer have their scholarship for one reason or another. They may have completed their eligibility, had to quit due to injuries, been no-shows, or perhaps they transferred for one reason or another.

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RE: 2012 Recruits

Posted: 6/27/2011 7:52:49 PM

Incorec"][""][" again, L.C.

"]["emple is bound by the same rules as everyone else, we cannot offer more than 25 scholarships per year. What the Owls have been successful doing is finding good players, stock piling them in prep schools, then maintaining their commitment. You may have heard of a couple like our starting corners Mo Jones and Kee Griffin as well as a lil fella and Jets #1 Mo Wilkerson.

Now let me let you in on a lil secret so the next time you pontificate about the Owl, you can appear bona fide at the pub. "]["emple has stockpiled 3 future MAC studs who you will be hearing about plenty soon....TE Alex Jackson, DE Aaron Hush and LB Nate Smith.

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RE: 2012 Recruits

Posted: 6/27/2011 8:34:43 PM

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RE: 2012 Recruits

Posted: 6/27/2011 11:29:06 PM

Hasn't there also been an emphasis in the last couple of years on recruiting guys who will fit in and who will stay? Anyone have any stats over the last two years (compared to prior years) regarding number of recruits who show up and stick?

I like this approach. It may not glitter when every one else is announcing their early commits but it seems as if our recruiting is bringing in more talent. Can see it in the depth. Now let's fill it with a few stars. You know that I'd love to see what Corch could do with a stable of biggame running backs.

temples person bragging about recruiting! sure, you can do that. maybe some day you'll even beat a MAC team with a winning record.

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RE: 2012 Recruits

Posted: 6/28/2011 12:56:56 AM

Basically what he's saying it that Temple is taking a lot of academically marginal players who don't end up qualifying, and have to go to prep school. Ohio has recruited a few of those, but they try to use the bulk of the class on players who will do well academically, and as a result Ohio is near the top of the MAC in APR, while Temple is second from the bottom. Temple's APR is rising, but has a ways to go.

Last Edited: 6/28/2011 1:00:04 AM by L.C.

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RE: 2012 Recruits

Posted: 6/28/2011 9:43:49 AM

LC,
Are you an Ohio Pol or Lawyer? In 24 hours you have offered a very different explanation and not coincidentally, another wrong one.

"]["emple isn't "taking" anyone. These are HS Students who are verbally comitting to play for the Owls. If they fail to get admission, they must make other arrangements to meet qualifying requirements.

"]["emple just picked up their 12th verbal commitment. The question why Ohio lags behind is a valid one. Please allow someone with a better understanding of Ohio's recruiting philosophy vs "]["emple's to take a crack at the answer.

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RE: 2012 Recruits

Posted: 6/28/2011 10:40:28 AM

Of the 129 Verbals that Temple has received in the last 5 years, how many of those are currently on scholarship? Since it has to be under 85, please explain what happened to the other 44. The answer is some combination of the following:
1. Used eligibilty - perhaps 3-4 players used their 4 years of eligibility in 4 years
2. Had to quit due to injuries - another 3-4 players may have left the program due to injury
3. Some players may have failed to gain admission
4. Some players may have transferred, for which there could be several reasons
a. Transferred for disciplinary reasons
b. Transferred for grade related reasons
c. Players may lose scholarships for non-performance
d. Players may leave for personal reasons

If there are any other possible reasons, I am not aware of them. You claim that despite having only 2/3 of the people who verbally accepted still on scholarship there is not turnover. You claim that they are "stockpiling them in prep schools", which is another way of saying that many failed to qualify academically, yet they are not offering marginal students. The burden here is on you, not on me, because you have failed to provide even a plausible answer. If you want to be taken seriously, then please explain what happened to the other 44.If you'd like, I can provide a similar list of what happened to the Ohio verbals that are no longer on scholarship, which breaks out as three or four in each of numbers 1-4 above.

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RE: 2012 Recruits

Posted: 6/28/2011 11:11:05 AM

MH55 throw alot of stuff out there but never facts to back up his claims.
L.C. on the other hand has many years of experience and is admired on this board with his knowledge and use of facts & statistics to add to these discussions.
MH55 is still upset about last years loss to the Bobcats.

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Last Edited: 6/28/2011 3:29:21 PM by Ryan Carey

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RE: 2012 Recruits

Posted: 6/28/2011 11:27:20 AM

Are we talking about verbals here? Why? Verbals are non-binding, just because I verbal to school A has NO bearing on where I actually sign my LOI, as I am still free to sign an LOI with any school that would have me. Now if we are talking about 129 LOI's signed that is then a problem. However all I read is "verbal" not signed.

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RE: 2012 Recruits

Posted: 6/28/2011 11:48:10 AM

L.C. wrote:

This is the first time that the word plausible has been used in a MH55 thread.

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RE: 2012 Recruits

Posted: 6/28/2011 11:57:44 AM

BattleCat wrote:

My error, sorry. Yes, I am talking about signed letters of intent. That isn't a problem in the sense that it is a violation of NCAA rules, because not everyone that signs a letter of intent actually qualifies and enrolls, but it is a problem in the sense that it creates a question of how they stay under the limit of 85 scholarships, and what became of the others.

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RE: 2012 Recruits

Posted: 6/28/2011 12:08:56 PM

L.C. wrote:

[because not everyone that signs a letter of intent actually qualifies and enrolls

If you had simply stated that to begin with, there wouldn't be much of a problem. However, you pontificated that that "]["emple is recruiting inferior academic players or somehow skirting NCAA rules.

The original poster posed the question why does Ohio have 1 verbal and Temple more. Now, actually up to 15.

Well, Counsellor L.C. how do you know the real reason isn't new HC Steve Addazio, who after all, has been a National Recruiter of the year, and might very well be accomplishing one of the major goals he set for the Owls run at the MAC Championship.

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RE: 2012 Recruits

Posted: 6/28/2011 1:03:45 PM

If most of those 44 players were players that didn't academically qualify, I believe you've made my point. Thank you.

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RE: 2012 Recruits

Posted: 6/28/2011 1:27:17 PM

L.C. wrote:

Meanwhile Temple has give 129 verbals, or nearly 26 a year. Note that of the 129 verbals, only 85 can be on scholarship, so something like 1/3 of Temple players from the last 5 years no longer have their scholarship for one reason or another.

This....

is completely WRONG.

If Bobcatattack readers want to get their analysis from you, so be it, but your "fact"-analysis and opinion, is completely incorrect. Another poster put it succinctly, you can have all the verbals in the world, its Letters of Intent which matter and even then, its Intent.

If you wish to paint 15 verbals as somehow a bad thing for "]["emple, go ahead....I'm over the moon !!!

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RE: 2012 Recruits

Posted: 6/28/2011 2:27:19 PM

Our recruiting philosophy is to get players who win games. You can keep talking about how awesome your recruits are, 55. After all, that's all you have. For years, all you've had is talk. And make no mistake, I remember quite well the talking you've been doing these last few years. It's always the same. You keep hooting about these amazing recruits and some draft picks. But at the end of the day, Temple is a loser team. Nothing you say can change that.

Keep talking and walking, chump.

Last Edited: 6/28/2011 3:29:46 PM by Ryan Carey

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RE: 2012 Recruits

Posted: 6/28/2011 2:45:41 PM

I think we've covered this, so now we can get back to the main point. As we have discussed, Temple and Ohio have done things very differently when it comes to recruiting, not just this year, but for quite some time. In the end it isn't about who has the most verbals by June, it's about who wins on the field in November. Every year since Temple joined the MAC, Temple has had more recruits by June than Ohio, and every year their class has included far more letters of intent than Ohio, but that hasn't translated into dominating the MAC.

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RE: 2012 Recruits

Posted: 6/28/2011 2:56:22 PM

L.C. wrote:

Every year since Temple joined the MAC, Temple has had more recruits by June than Ohio, and every year their class has included far more letters of intent than Ohio, but that hasn't translated into dominating the MAC.

Or winning the MAC. Or coming close to winning the MAC. Or making a championship game. But it has helped them lead the conference in obnoxious, delusional, brain-damaged fans.

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RE: 2012 Recruits

Posted: 6/28/2011 4:13:12 PM

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Or winning the MAC. Or coming close to winning the MAC. Or making a championship game. But it has helped them lead the conference in obnoxious, delusional, brain-damaged fans.

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RE: 2012 Recruits

Posted: 6/28/2011 4:42:43 PM

According to Official MAC records, "]["emple and Ohio have each won the East Division the same number of times since "]["emple joined the MAC...once. We were Co-Champions and Ohio represented the East based on a tie breaker.

The better team has won each of the 4 times we have faced, with Ohio winning 3.

There isn't a College Message Board in the MAC let alone NCAA FB which is more jealous of "]["emple's press than this board. This board actually talks more about "]["emple than "]["emple's Scout.com site.

I occassionally interject for my own amusement and always when information is grossly distorted or mis represented regarding The "]["emple Football Owls, as was the case with this thread.

btw, I just passed through Athens and Meigs Co last week. I was very amused to see the Temple Cemetary just south of campus. I declare that's, I said that's where the '11 Bobcats will be laid to rest.

Last Edited: 6/28/2011 4:43:33 PM by Physicist MH55

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RE: 2012 Recruits

Posted: 6/28/2011 5:21:24 PM

MH55

Jealous of Temple, NO.
You like to stir the pot, YES.
We are faithful Bobcat fans and will always respond to verbal assaults to our team. YES
For you, this years game can't come soon enough. YES
Just the hope of a victory over the Bobcats has you worked up. YES
You want so bad to trash this board if Temple wins this year. YES
Life is more than Temple. YES
Get a life. YES

PS. WHAT KIND OF SCHOOL HAS AN OWL AS A MASCOT ANYWAY? WEAK VERY WEAK

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Last Edited: 6/28/2011 5:26:41 PM by 71 BOBCAT

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RE: 2012 Recruits

Posted: 6/28/2011 5:56:20 PM

I have yet to meet a person who uses the phrase "Get a Life." have one that I would trade a week of mine for a year of theirs. Seriously, I have not. Perhaps you are the first I would admire Bobcat 71, but I'm not sure, you seem to hang on my every word...

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RE: 2012 Recruits

Posted: 6/28/2011 7:07:02 PM

MH55 wrote:

Woo, spintastic. That "tie breaker," of course, was because Ohio punched you in your fat mouth. The only people that fly the co-champions banner are the ones that didn't really win. The champs represented the East in the championship game. The non-champs stayed home.

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There isn't a College Message Board in the MAC let alone NCAA FB which is more jealous of "]["emple's press than this board. This board actually talks more about "]["emple than "]["emple's Scout.com site.

How would you know? You got banned, chump.

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I occassionally interject for my own amusement and always when information is grossly distorted or mis represented regarding The "]["emple Football Owls, as was the case with this thread.

Obvious troll is obvious.

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btw, I just passed through Athens and Meigs Co last week. I was very amused to see the Temple Cemetary just south of campus. I declare that's, I said that's where the '11 Bobcats will be laid to rest.

I'm sure this time will be different. This time you'll finally beat us. You're a broken record, son. You keep promising this time you won't be a loser.

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RE: 2012 Recruits

Posted: 6/28/2011 7:24:50 PM

Personally I could care less about Temple, or their trolls. I posted on this thread simply to give some facts regarding the numbers of LOI that have been signed with Temple over the last five years, and made some reasonable conclusions. No one has refuted them by providing a detailed explanation of what happened to the 44+ players that signed those LOI's, but who are not currently on scholarship, and I don't care enough to bother with this any further. Other than that, the stuff on this thread is useless background noise.

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RE: 2012 Recruits

Posted: 6/28/2011 9:10:56 PM

JSF is on fire here. L.C. has punched the mo-ron from temples in the face so many times that L.C.'s hands must be sore.

No one gives a rat's arse about some school, allegedly, which hasn't beaten a MAC team with a winning record. No one here mentions that school. Only when a putz and a half (more than one putz) from that weakass place comes on hear and orally vomits do we fight back to scrub out the stain--which unfortunatelly causes us to mention that place.

We win. We win on the field. We win honorably.

Game over.

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