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Back to Top Bobcat Grad 86 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 1,397 Status: Offline     RE: UMass gets what appears to be a 1-and-1 with Indiana    Posted: 7/27/2011 7:23:09 PM  And we can't get a 1 for 2/3 with Northwestern! Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,365 Status: Offline     RE: UMass gets what appears to be a 1-and-1 with Indiana    Posted: 7/27/2011 7:57:56 PM  It's the difference between Peden at 24,000 and Gillette at 68,756; and Athens at about 35,000 and the Boston Metro area at around 1,000,000 (600,000 in Boston itself).  OU could probably get the same deal, if the "home" game were played in Crew Stadium, Cleveland or Cincy.  BSU has IU at "home" this year -- Lucas Oil Field in Indy. We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top SBH General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 4,280 Status: Offline     RE: UMass gets what appears to be a 1-and-1 with Indiana    Posted: 7/27/2011 8:10:18 PM  I'm sorry, but is Indiana considered a big "get?" Akron had them in a one-and-one and attracted 16,000. Back to Top bobcat72 General User Member Since: 7/2/2011 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 540 Status: Offline     RE: UMass gets what appears to be a 1-and-1 with Indiana    Posted: 7/27/2011 10:11:56 PM  Pataskala wrote: It's the difference between Peden at 24,000 and Gillette at 68,756; and Athens at about 35,000 and the Boston Metro area at around 1,000,000 (600,000 in Boston itself).  OU could probably get the same deal, if the "home" game were played in Crew Stadium, Cleveland or Cincy.  BSU has IU at "home" this year -- Lucas Oil Field in Indy. Exactly. Beyond the fact of being in the MAC, perhaps our biggest issue is location. Playing in a major media market or an NFL stadium is attractive to BCS schools. Being 2 hours from the nearest airport and in the middle of Appalachia is not. Like it or hate it, that's the reality. Back to Top Bobcat Love General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 1,193 Status: Offline     RE: UMass gets what appears to be a 1-and-1 with Indiana    Posted: 7/27/2011 10:40:59 PM  bobcat72 wrote: Being 2 hours from the nearest airport and in the middle of Appalachia is not. Like it or hate it, that's the reality. United/Continental flies into PKB, 45 mins away and I'm pretty sure you can charter in there as well with a fullsize aircraft. That argument isn't playing with me. Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: UMass gets what appears to be a 1-and-1 with Indiana    Posted: 7/28/2011 12:58:46 AM  Indiana, being BigTentwelve, would be a relatively big get.  Not great; but an upgrade.  What does the crowd that 'kron drew for them have to do with anything? The argument that we're 45 or so minutes from a major airport--what sense does that make.  TOur fans don't fly in.  They drive.  And, in what might be news to some, we have a very small stadium for a team without a solid recent winning tradition (meaning winning from the first game onward) and we are located in a not well populated area which is economically stressed. It is not realistic to make arguments implying that we should be having success such as Cinci or Pitt and those type schools are having.  It will take some time to make the aura of the program of that size. Last Edited: 7/28/2011 12:59:38 AM by Monroe Slavin Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,195 Status: Offline     RE: UMass gets what appears to be a 1-and-1 with Indiana    Posted: 7/28/2011 1:40:29 AM  With the bypass Its only going to be 1 hour and 15 minutes to CMH from Athens. Thats a major hub airport. Its not like we are located in Moscow, Idaho. The school is within an 8 hour bus ride of many BCS programs. The bus range for football is greater because a school is not playing many games on the road, usually Friday-Saturday trips, and an entrourage that is quite large. I would not fly a 120+ traveling party if I were the AD at least. Flying 15 for basketball is reasonable. To be honest there are a lot of schools right now that would normally consider a 1 for 1 but are scared to play us in Peden Stadium. All things realistic though, I don't see a point in scheduling up. To advance this program you've got to win bowl games and for a solid shot at a bowl its going to require 8 wins. They've changed the rules and now that 6-6 record BCS teams can go to a bowl before 7-5 MAC makes it much harder going forward to get that at-large bid. And I've said this on the recruiting board; as the most remote of the 8 FBS schools in Ohio it takes a special player to want to come here and the best way to make us look attractive is to run up 8-10 wins a year while regularly trouncing Miami, BG, Akron, and Kent, Playing a Miami type schedule with 4 BCS schools to start is a sure way to play yourself out of a bowl. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,767 Status: Offline     RE: UMass gets what appears to be a 1-and-1 with Indiana    Posted: 7/28/2011 8:12:18 AM  Bobcat Love wrote: bobcat72 wrote: Being 2 hours from the nearest airport and in the middle of Appalachia is not. Like it or hate it, that's the reality. United/Continental flies into PKB, 45 mins away and I'm pretty sure you can charter in there as well with a fullsize aircraft. That argument isn't playing with me. This is what UCONN did.  They flew a charter into PKB. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." 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Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Mike Johnson General User Member Since: 11/11/2004 Location: North Canton, OH Post Count: 1,736 Status: Offline     RE: UMass gets what appears to be a 1-and-1 with Indiana    Posted: 7/28/2011 10:31:15 AM  Agree that 45-60-minute drive from an airport to Peden shouldn't be regarded as a logistical deterrent.  Heck, ever trying driving from LAX to Westwood?  Or from EWR to Rutgers?  Or Hartsfield to Georgia Tech?  Or O'Hare to anywhere?  http://www.facebook.com/mikejohnson.author Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,365 Status: Offline     RE: UMass gets what appears to be a 1-and-1 with Indiana    Posted: 7/28/2011 10:48:58 AM  Looks like NIU is planning to play a "home' game in Chicago every year: http://espn.go.com/chicago/ncf/story/_/id/6809338/norther... We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top Mike Johnson General User Member Since: 11/11/2004 Location: North Canton, OH Post Count: 1,736 Status: Offline     RE: UMass gets what appears to be a 1-and-1 with Indiana    Posted: 7/28/2011 11:31:32 AM  Pataskala wrote: Looks like NIU is planning to play a "home' game in Chicago every year: http://espn.go.com/chicago/ncf/story/_/id/6809338/norther... Not all that unusual.  Just one example, Arkansas plays "home games" in Little Rock each year.  http://www.facebook.com/mikejohnson.author Back to Top SBH General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 4,280 Status: Offline     RE: UMass gets what appears to be a 1-and-1 with Indiana    Posted: 7/28/2011 11:45:19 AM  We did that once in the early 1980s.  "Home" game at the 'Shoe.  Drew about 20k. I'd like us to try it again, but play at the Crew's stadium.   Back to Top KyleWvr13 General User Member Since: 11/9/2010 Location: Pottstown, PA Post Count: 501 Status: Offline     RE: UMass gets what appears to be a 1-and-1 with Indiana    Posted: 7/28/2011 12:06:13 PM  SBH wrote: We did that once in the early 1980s.  "Home" game at the 'Shoe.  Drew about 20k. I'd like us to try it again, but play at the Crew's stadium.   Crew Stadium holds less than Peden, 20,145. I think a better bet would be playing somewhere like the Brown's stadium, with a fairly large amount of alumni in the Cleveland area. But would we seriously draw 40k or more if we played there even with a "regional" opponent like Pitt, WVU, or Cincy? Last Edited: 7/28/2011 12:06:30 PM by KyleWvr13 Back to Top SBH General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 4,280 Status: Offline     RE: UMass gets what appears to be a 1-and-1 with Indiana    Posted: 7/28/2011 12:08:13 PM  Monroe Slavin wrote: Indiana, being BigTentwelve, would be a relatively big get.  Not great; but an upgrade.  What does the crowd that 'kron drew for them have to do with anything? The argument that we're 45 or so minutes from a major airport--what sense does that make.  TOur fans don't fly in.  They drive.  And, in what might be news to some, we have a very small stadium for a team without a solid recent winning tradition (meaning winning from the first game onward) and we are located in a not well populated area which is economically stressed. It is not realistic to make arguments implying that we should be having success such as Cinci or Pitt and those type schools are having.  It will take some time to make the aura of the program of that size. Now there's a post worth responding to.  If Akron, in only its second game at InfoCision Stadium and in a market that is at least 20 times larger than ours, can only attract 16k, how can we possibly expect to make money in a similar package with IU? Back to Top SBH General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 4,280 Status: Offline     RE: UMass gets what appears to be a 1-and-1 with Indiana    Posted: 7/28/2011 4:14:34 PM  Re Crew Stadium.  If we sell out (20,100), we'll have attracted 10,000 or more who haven't been to a game in Athens in several years, if ever.  That's the audience we want to reach. I'd love a Cleveland game, too.  How 'bout ND?  Cincy? Back to Top Y-CityCatFan General User Member Since: 7/28/2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Post Count: 139 Status: Offline     RE: UMass gets what appears to be a 1-and-1 with Indiana    Posted: 7/28/2011 4:26:03 PM  SBH wrote: Monroe Slavin wrote: Indiana, being BigTentwelve, would be a relatively big get. Not great; but an upgrade. What does the crowd that 'kron drew for them have to do with anything? The argument that we're 45 or so minutes from a major airport--what sense does that make. TOur fans don't fly in. They drive. And, in what might be news to some, we have a very small stadium for a team without a solid recent winning tradition (meaning winning from the first game onward) and we are located in a not well populated area which is economically stressed. It is not realistic to make arguments implying that we should be having success such as Cinci or Pitt and those type schools are having. It will take some time to make the aura of the program of that size. Now there's a post worth responding to. If Akron, in only its second game at InfoCision Stadium and in a market that is at least 20 times larger than ours, can only attract 16k, how can we possibly expect to make money in a similar package with IU? Because we are not Akron. We draw at least that for FCS opponents. I think we had a decent draw for Minnesota a few years back, and that was before we were any good! Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,365 Status: Offline     RE: UMass gets what appears to be a 1-and-1 with Indiana    Posted: 7/28/2011 5:21:38 PM  SBH wrote: We did that once in the early 1980s.  "Home" game at the 'Shoe.  Drew about 20k. I'd like us to try it again, but play at the Crew's stadium.   I was there.  It was my 30th birthday and we beat Richmond (20k vs. Richmond at Columbus in 1981!) in a game that benefited Children's Hospital.  I remember hearing a roar echoing through the Shoe before the game and I thought it was some kind of bobcat roar.  Instead, it was the drumline of the band reverberating under the stands as the 110 was marching into the stadium and onto the field for pregame. I didn't realize Crew Stadium is so small.  Cleveland or Cincy (or maybe Pittsburgh, if they could sell an out-of-state trip) would be a better draw.  We really need some place that'll handle 40,000+ to make it attractive to AQ schools. We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top KyleWvr13 General User Member Since: 11/9/2010 Location: Pottstown, PA Post Count: 501 Status: Offline     RE: UMass gets what appears to be a 1-and-1 with Indiana    Posted: 7/28/2011 7:53:37 PM  As the saying goes, Rome was not built in a day. I honestly we're thinking at this in the wrong light.  Bigger programs are going to draw a TV crowd regardless of where they play.  If we want bigger teams to play us at home, we don't need a bigger stadium, we need to build our program up so that they want to play us. As painfully slow as it may seem, the best way to build a program is to have a winning program every year.  Having a great TV market and local population will only get you so far (See Temple.) Think about Penn State.  Their main campus is located right dab-smack in the middle of Pennsylvania.  For those of you who don't know Pennsylvanian geography very well,  There is Pittsburgh out in the Southwest, Philadelphia in the Southeast, and (almost) absolutely nothing elsewhere. To get there, it's about a 2 hour drive from both Metro areas, yet they draw almost 100,000 people every game.  Why is that?  In the last 50 seasons, Penn State has had 43 winning seasons.  If we had that kind of long term success, I bet we would be a BCS team with a stadium of 50,000 easily. Will we get a BCS opponent in Peden within the next few years? Maybe.  If we keep a winning record for the next 3 or 4 years, will we get a bigger and better opponent than Gardner-Webb and Norfolk to come play at Peden?  I would say yes. Back to Top Deciduous Forest Cat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Ohio Post Count: 4,473 Status: Offline     RE: UMass gets what appears to be a 1-and-1 with Indiana    Posted: 7/28/2011 8:00:33 PM  SBH wrote: Re Crew Stadium.  If we sell out (20,100), we'll have attracted 10,000 or more who haven't been to a game in Athens in several years, if ever.  That's the audience we want to reach. I'd love a Cleveland game, too.  How 'bout ND?  Cincy? Hold on to your hats, SBH, as I'm totally in agreement here. The day we actually make some inroads into making our own alumni base in Columbus bigtime Bobcat fans on Fall Saturdays, then I will have hope for the advancement of our program. Route 33 should be packed 6 Saturdays a year with folks heading to Athens. Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: UMass gets what appears to be a 1-and-1 with Indiana    Posted: 7/28/2011 9:46:15 PM  Absolutely agree that Cleveland is the goal.  I sense that we're building a winning tradition that could get us there in the fairly near future (2-3 years) against a big name opponent. Again, it's absolutely critical that we start having seasons in which we burn a winning record from game one. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top Bobcat36 General User Member Since: 1/5/2005 Location: Delaware, OH Post Count: 1,167 Status: Offline     RE: UMass gets what appears to be a 1-and-1 with Indiana    Posted: 7/29/2011 10:46:33 AM  SBH wrote: I'm sorry, but is Indiana considered a big "get?" Akron had them in a one-and-one and attracted 16,000. They will be in 2012 with Gunner Kiel taking the snaps... GoBobcats!!!!            Always have been and always will be... Ohio's First and Finest! Back to Top Bobcat36 General User Member Since: 1/5/2005 Location: Delaware, OH Post Count: 1,167 Status: Offline     RE: UMass gets what appears to be a 1-and-1 with Indiana    Posted: 7/29/2011 10:49:08 AM  KyleWvr13 wrote: As the saying goes, Rome was not built in a day. I honestly we're thinking at this in the wrong light.  Bigger programs are going to draw a TV crowd regardless of where they play.  If we want bigger teams to play us at home, we don't need a bigger stadium, we need to build our program up so that they want to play us. As painfully slow as it may seem, the best way to build a program is to have a winning program every year.  Having a great TV market and local population will only get you so far (See Temple.) Think about Penn State.  Their main campus is located right dab-smack in the middle of Pennsylvania.  For those of you who don't know Pennsylvanian geography very well,  There is Pittsburgh out in the Southwest, Philadelphia in the Southeast, and (almost) absolutely nothing elsewhere. To get there, it's about a 2 hour drive from both Metro areas, yet they draw almost 100,000 people every game.  Why is that?  In the last 50 seasons, Penn State has had 43 winning seasons.  If we had that kind of long term success, I bet we would be a BCS team with a stadium of 50,000 easily. Will we get a BCS opponent in Peden within the next few years? Maybe.  If we keep a winning record for the next 3 or 4 years, will we get a bigger and better opponent than Gardner-Webb and Norfolk to come play at Peden?  I would say yes. GoBobcats!!!!            Always have been and always will be... Ohio's First and Finest! Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,767 Status: Offline     RE: UMass gets what appears to be a 1-and-1 with Indiana    Posted: 7/29/2011 1:57:40 PM  Excellent points, KW13.  I remember when my wife and I attended a game at Penn State in 1969.  Some local behind us asked where is this school that we are playing.  His friend next to him replied, "It's some school out in the middle of nowhere in Southern Ohio."  Whereupon my wife turned around, and said to both of them, "Where in the world do you think we are now?  This is more in the middle of nowhere then anywhere I've ever been."  Shut them both up! The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top ou79 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 660 Status: Offline     RE: UMass gets what appears to be a 1-and-1 with Indiana    Posted: 7/30/2011 8:50:58 AM  As for programs scheduling opponents off campus in another city for a "home" game, consider this.  L.S.U. will play a "home" game this year against Oregon in, that's right, DALLAS, TEXAS. Back to Top Showing Replies:   1 - 25  of 30 Posts Jump to Page:   1 | 2    Next > View Other 'Ohio Football' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 138 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 137 Guests 1 Registered User:   Victory There are no other users looking at this page.

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