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Topic: Did WMU lose to Purdue due to bad play calling?

Topic: Did WMU lose to Purdue due to bad play calling?

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OhioCatFan
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Did WMU lose to Purdue due to bad play calling?

Posted: 12/27/2011 11:03:35 PM

WMU loses 37-32, and on a 4th and goal from around the 3 they go for it and fail. On another drive they have fourth and shortage yardage on the 20 and again go for it and fail. In retrospect, two made FGs would have possibly given WMU the victory. At the time, before the each of these plays, I thought they were bad decisions. What did you guys and gals think about those plays and this game in general? In short, I'm glad we have Tim Albin calling our plays.

Even if he doesn't know how to coach a QB to take a snap under center!

Last Edited: 12/27/2011 11:06:42 PM by OhioCatFan

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RE: Did WMU lose to Purdue due to bad play calling?

Posted: 12/27/2011 11:10:17 PM

I saw three of the later 4th down calls - one in their own territory, where I think they should have punted, went for it and failed, gave purdue a short field which led to 3 points. the other one you mention they should have kicked the fg, totally agree on that one. again failed.

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RE: Did WMU lose to Purdue due to bad play calling?

Posted: 12/27/2011 11:21:55 PM

Disclosure: Although I usually pull for MAC teams, I was in a neutral "mode" for the WMU-Purdue game. Reason: A childhood neighbor and friend to this day played DB at Purdue and once led the Big 10 in punting. He lives in Arizona and recently sent me a "huzzah!" after Ohio's win over Utah State.

I saw nothing unusual in subpar play calling by the WMU staff tonight. In virtually every bowl game this season I've seen what I regarded as subpar play calling and clock management.

I also find myself concluding that officials from other conferences are no more skilled than MAC officials.

Sign of progress? I've seen most of all the bowl games played to date. With the exceptions of TCU and Mizzou, to me it seemed as though Ohio, playing its best or near its best, could be competitive with other bowl teams that have seen action.

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RE: Did WMU lose to Purdue due to bad play calling?

Posted: 12/28/2011 1:29:45 AM

No. WMU lost to purdue due to a -3 turnover margin (7 turnovers by WMU total). Several of them near/in the Purdue endzone.

Last Edited: 12/28/2011 1:30:16 AM by mf279801

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RE: Did WMU lose to Purdue due to bad play calling?

Posted: 12/28/2011 6:48:47 AM

WMU, like OUr team, has an offense configured to be more effective and dangerous with lots of field to work with. All due respect to the notion that shotguns and pistols give the QB some "read-and-react" options (that ultimately were exercised grandly by Sir Tyler Tettleton, Esq. to deliver OUr very first bowl/post season win) ...

BUT (you had to know that word -- or HOWEVER -- was coming): I'll take "Wisconsin," thank you. Or something out of Woody Hayes' playbook that doesn't involve punching opponents and gets a first down (in the context, however, of a heart-breaking Evil Empire loss). A power set, a la Ohio with Mitch Morsillo playing the role of road-grader (to use an example that doesn't involve any favorable mention of the frigging Evil Empire!).

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RE: Did WMU lose to Purdue due to bad play calling?

Posted: 12/28/2011 7:36:56 AM

WMU has shown disdain for FGs lately. They attempted only seven FGs in their last six games.

It also seems that teams don't like to go for FGs against Purdue for some reason. I think every game that O$U has lost to Purdue over the past 40 years can be traced to them going for it on 4th down near the goal line and failing, instead of kicking a chip shot FG.

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RE: Did WMU lose to Purdue due to bad play calling?

Posted: 12/28/2011 8:19:03 AM

Desperation play calling perhaps in response to a) inability to hold on to the ball, as stated above, b) inability to keep Purdue from holding on to the ball (and scoring) and 3) pschological damage caused by losing two onside kicks in the 1st half. Really now, when did you last that see that "happen" to a team? WMU was lucky to even be in this one late.

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RE: Did WMU lose to Purdue due to bad play calling?

Posted: 12/28/2011 9:18:02 AM

They lost this game due to 10 turnovers not 7. You must include the 2 lost on the on side kicks and the lost attempt on 4th & 1. So the real turnover margin difference was -6 for WM.
Now if I was Purdue I would be thinking that we should have won by 28.
Fun game to watch...a lot of action.

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RE: Did WMU lose to Purdue due to bad play calling?

Posted: 12/28/2011 10:25:05 AM

Bobcatbob wrote:

Us, last year, vs. Lou-La. Boo throws 4 first half INTs, Lou-La comes alive in the second half, and they recover two (I think...maybe three) onside kicks. We were REALLY lucky to escape that one with the win.

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RE: Did WMU lose to Purdue due to bad play calling?

Posted: 12/28/2011 1:57:04 PM

I lost track of all the dumb things WMU did. I don't think I've ever seen a team try two onside kicks in the first half and have both work. And it looked like Purdue could have pulled it off a couple of other times. I thought they lost it after the 99 yard kickoff return and the second onside kick worked and Purdue took that in. WMU had just gone ahead, but they were chasing the rest of the game. Cubit didn't help things with questionable play calling.

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RE: Did WMU lose to Purdue due to bad play calling?

Posted: 12/28/2011 8:06:47 PM

I couldn't help but thing WMU fans yesterday must have felt just like Ohio fans when NIU came from behind to win the MACC. Seemingly a million chances to capitalize, and not one was taken. The games were in hand if silly mistakes didn't give the game away, and both did...

And in the same respect, the end of this game tonight (Air Force/Toledo) seemed so much like the end of the Marshall game the other year. Super gutsy call to go for two at the end and the win, but very questionable as it didn't work.

I'll take 3-1 for the MAC though so far.

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RE: Did WMU lose to Purdue due to bad play calling?

Posted: 12/28/2011 9:19:32 PM

I wasn't happy that the Pizza people picked WMU over three other MAC teams with better records, but it worked for them -- announced attendance was 46,177 which didn't seem to be too far off from the crowd shots I've seen.

http://media.mlive.com/kalamazoogazette/photo/2011/12/-1b...

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RE: Did WMU lose to Purdue due to bad play calling?

Posted: 12/28/2011 11:26:18 PM

Watching on TV, that game certainly did have a very solid crowd. Felt bad for WMU.

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RE: Did WMU lose to Purdue due to bad play calling?

Posted: 12/29/2011 10:16:00 AM

mcbin wrote:

And in the same respect, the end of this game tonight (Air Force/Toledo) seemed so much like the end of the Marshall game the other year. Super gutsy call to go for two at the end and the win, but very questionable as it didn't work.

I'll take 3-1 for the MAC though so far.

You had to think AFA would go for the win. Our Air Force doesn't play for ties.

Was it the right thing to do? Probably not, but who could criticize the decision after the fact? If it's the NFL and money and contracts are on the line - play for OT. In college sports, and especially at a service academy- you have to go for it.

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RE: Did WMU lose to Purdue due to bad play calling?

Posted: 12/30/2011 12:31:25 AM

anorris wrote:

Watching on TV, that game certainly did have a very solid crowd. Felt bad for WMU.

A few years ago when CMU played Purdue in the Pizza the announced crowd was 66,000+. I suspect the difference was that each team had a high-profile QB that provided an added draw, and maybe the better economy also was a factor.

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RE: Did WMU lose to Purdue due to bad play calling?

Posted: 12/30/2011 7:09:53 AM

Bobcatbob wrote:

mcbin wrote:

You're not playing for a tie,you're playing for overtime.
If I'm Air Force,I've got monmentum and I'm on a nuetral field. I kick it.
Especially since the overtime rules in college assure I'll at leat get a shot at winning.

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