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The average salary of a FULL TIME  adjunct faculty member at Akron is less than $20k.  They receive no health care coverage or other benefits. 3.  The chances of being taught by a tenured faculty member during your first two years at Akron is less than 10%. 4.  More than 30 percent of Akron full-time students need 6 years to graduate; a leading reason is class availability. Dr. Proenza and the university are running a tuition collection operation, not an institution of higher learning.  Tress should fit in quite well there. Back to Top Robert Fox General User Member Since: 11/16/2004 Location: Knoxville, TN Post Count: 2,039 Status: Offline     RE: Akron U. taking nice shots over JT hire    Posted: 2/8/2012 4:47:03 PM  Politics anyone? Back to Top MonroeClassmate General User Member Since: 8/31/2010 Post Count: 2,167 Status: Offline     RE: Akron U. taking nice shots over JT hire    Posted: 2/8/2012 6:00:55 PM  SBH wrote: There have been some really good letters to the editor in the ABJ over the past few days, including several from Akron faculty members who have wanted to point out a few salient points: 1.  Akron already has a "VP of student engagement," but somehow found $200K to add a second one in the form of Jimmy T.  No one is saying what his official duties will be. 2.  Akron uses more adjunct faculty (many of whom are ill-equipped to teach, based on personal experience) than almost every other Ohio public university. The average salary of a FULL TIME  adjunct faculty member at Akron is less than $20k.  They receive no health care coverage or other benefits. 3.  The chances of being taught by a tenured faculty member during your first two years at Akron is less than 10%. 4.  More than 30 percent of Akron full-time students need 6 years to graduate; a leading reason is class availability. Dr. Proenza and the university are running a tuition collection operation, not an institution of higher learning.  Tress should fit in quite well there. Far from me to stick up for 'kron but has this Dr. Proenza been at the school since the 70's when the school had the same reputation you outlined in items #2-4 above  OR  is the leader a more recent hire with a potential chance to change 40 years of mediocrity? Back to Top Football Jim General User Member Since: 1/16/2005 Post Count: 177 Status: Offline     RE: Akron U. taking nice shots over JT hire    Posted: 2/8/2012 6:29:49 PM  I think it must be George Bush's fault. Hanging in there! GO BOBCATS! Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,770 Status: Offline     RE: Akron U. taking nice shots over JT hire    Posted: 2/8/2012 9:18:36 PM  Football Jim wrote: I think it must be George Bush's fault. Either him, Richard Nixon, or MH55.  Hard to keep my scapegoats apart.  The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Akron U. taking nice shots over JT hire    Posted: 2/9/2012 3:06:29 AM  SBH wrote: There have been some really good letters to the editor in the ABJ over the past few days, including several from Akron faculty members who have wanted to point out a few salient points: 1.  Akron already has a "VP of student engagement," but somehow found $200K to add a second one in the form of Jimmy T.  No one is saying what his official duties will be. 2.  Akron uses more adjunct faculty (many of whom are ill-equipped to teach, based on personal experience) than almost every other Ohio public university. The average salary of a FULL TIME  adjunct faculty member at Akron is less than $20k.  They receive no health care coverage or other benefits. 3.  The chances of being taught by a tenured faculty member during your first two years at Akron is less than 10%. 4.  More than 30 percent of Akron full-time students need 6 years to graduate; a leading reason is class availability. Dr. Proenza and the university are running a tuition collection operation, not an institution of higher learning.  Tress should fit in quite well there. Politics?  If this stuff is true, what does politics have to do with it? Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top Ryan Carey Site Programmer Member Since: 11/11/2004 Post Count: 976 Status: Offline     RE: Akron U. taking nice shots over JT hire    Posted: 2/9/2012 7:31:57 AM  I removed the political reference and forgot to set the "edit by" statement. Ryan M. Carey BBA 2001 Back to Top Diamond Cat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 862 Status: Offline     RE: Akron U. taking nice shots over JT hire    Posted: 2/9/2012 9:18:04 AM  After continuous research, I have confirmed this is Joe Carbone's fault. Really...a teacher making less than $20K with no benefits? That is sad. Back to Top Bobcatbob General User Member Since: 12/21/2004 Location: Coolville, OH Post Count: 1,347 Status: Offline     RE: Akron U. taking nice shots over JT hire    Posted: 2/9/2012 2:37:47 PM  Really, now, if they pay the (actual) instructors a living wage how will they support that athletic campus they are building. Back to Top Paul Graham General User Member Since: 1/18/2005 Location: The Plains, OH Post Count: 1,424 Status: Offline     RE: Akron U. taking nice shots over JT hire    Posted: 2/9/2012 2:48:46 PM  Diamond Cat wrote: After continuous research, I have confirmed this is Joe Carbone's fault. Really...a teacher making less than $20K with no benefits? That is sad. But keep in mind that these folks almost surely have other jobs and this teaching thing is just a side gig. The real losers in this are the students and the university in general. While adjuncts can be awesome, on average they are just not going to be as strong as full faculty and aren't vetted with the same rigor. And of course all of it is to save some serious cash, which makes you wonder, why is education so expensive? Back to Top SBH General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 4,282 Status: Offline     RE: Akron U. taking nice shots over JT hire    Posted: 2/9/2012 3:32:07 PM  Just want to emphasize that full-time instructors/adjuncts - i.e., those teaching full class loads - earn less than 20K. And Akron does it because they can...their faculty is weak and the adjuncts haven't banded together to fight back. The ultimate loser is the student. Back to Top Ted Thompson Administrator Member Since: 11/11/2004 Location: MAC Play Post Count: 7,721 Status: Offline     RE: Akron U. taking nice shots over JT hire    Posted: 2/9/2012 3:46:58 PM  Trying  to find numbers on Akron, but according to this survey, the average 9-month salary at the University of Akron for full-time faculty in 2010-11 was $74,815. The full-time faculty is bucketed by Professor, Associate, Assistant, Instructor and Lecturer. It doesn't call out adjuncts specifically so I don't know if they're included under Assistants or Instructors or not at all.  http://hr.osu.edu/statistics/ohfacsal11.pdf Follow Ohio Football recruiting on the BobcatAttack.com football recruiting database. Back to Top SBH General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 4,282 Status: Offline     RE: Akron U. taking nice shots over JT hire    Posted: 2/9/2012 5:37:13 PM  Akron doesn't count adjuncts as full-time faculty, even if they teach full course loads, so they are not reflected here. According to the ABJ, there are more than 1,000 adjuncts on staff, making up for more than 50% of all instruction on campus. Last Edited: 2/9/2012 5:41:14 PM by SBH Back to Top Ted Thompson Administrator Member Since: 11/11/2004 Location: MAC Play Post Count: 7,721 Status: Offline     RE: Akron U. taking nice shots over JT hire    Posted: 2/9/2012 7:44:28 PM  SBH wrote: Akron doesn't count adjuncts as full-time faculty, even if they teach full course loads, so they are not reflected here. According to the ABJ, there are more than 1,000 adjuncts on staff, making up for more than 50% of all instruction on campus. I found a letter to the editor which stated those facts but can't find any back up for them. Why would someone work for $20K per year? They could get temp work for $15 to $20 an hour or work in the private sector in their field. Follow Ohio Football recruiting on the BobcatAttack.com football recruiting database. Back to Top C Money General User Member Since: 8/28/2010 Post Count: 3,420 Status: Offline     RE: Akron U. taking nice shots over JT hire    Posted: 2/9/2012 8:14:29 PM  Ted Thompson wrote: I found a letter to the editor which stated those facts but can't find any back up for them. Why would someone work for $20K per year? They could get temp work for $15 to $20 an hour or work in the private sector in their field. I'm not sure what Kron considers a full teaching load, but for our fair university, it's 12 quarter hours, three quarters per year. And it may vary by department or by faculty credentials, but I make about $650 per credit hour adjuncting, so for a "full-time" teaching load, it's about $23,400 a year. If you figure an hour of prep time for each hour of class (and, it has been my experience, that after teaching a class a couple of times, that's about how much time I spend prepping), it works out to about $32.50/hour. Back to Top Ted Thompson Administrator Member Since: 11/11/2004 Location: MAC Play Post Count: 7,721 Status: Offline     RE: Akron U. taking nice shots over JT hire    Posted: 2/9/2012 8:29:42 PM  OK, that makes sense. $32/hour over a 2,000 work year is around $60K.  Follow Ohio Football recruiting on the BobcatAttack.com football recruiting database. Back to Top Paul Graham General User Member Since: 1/18/2005 Location: The Plains, OH Post Count: 1,424 Status: Offline     RE: Akron U. taking nice shots over JT hire    Posted: 2/9/2012 11:26:46 PM  Ted Thompson wrote: SBH wrote: Akron doesn't count adjuncts as full-time faculty, even if they teach full course loads, so they are not reflected here. According to the ABJ, there are more than 1,000 adjuncts on staff, making up for more than 50% of all instruction on campus. I found a letter to the editor which stated those facts but can't find any back up for them. Why would someone work for $20K per year? They could get temp work for $15 to $20 an hour or work in the private sector in their field. In my experience it is usually because they are just supplementing another income by teaching classes. My wife got an MS in Social Work in Chicago and about 1/2 of her professors were adjuncts. They had private practices and they would teach about two days a week. Its a cash cow for the university because they can charge 30-40K a year in tuition and pay their professors very little. Back to Top Ohio69 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,062 Status: Offline     RE: Akron U. taking nice shots over JT hire    Posted: 2/9/2012 11:42:01 PM  Paul Graham wrote: Ted Thompson wrote: SBH wrote: Akron doesn't count adjuncts as full-time faculty, even if they teach full course loads, so they are not reflected here. According to the ABJ, there are more than 1,000 adjuncts on staff, making up for more than 50% of all instruction on campus. I found a letter to the editor which stated those facts but can't find any back up for them. Why would someone work for $20K per year? They could get temp work for $15 to $20 an hour or work in the private sector in their field. In my experience it is usually because they are just supplementing another income by teaching classes. My wife got an MS in Social Work in Chicago and about 1/2 of her professors were adjuncts. They had private practices and they would teach about two days a week. Its a cash cow for the university because they can charge 30-40K a year in tuition and pay their professors very little. Some say this is the future of higher education. Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?..... Back to Top Paul Graham General User Member Since: 1/18/2005 Location: The Plains, OH Post Count: 1,424 Status: Offline     RE: Akron U. taking nice shots over JT hire    Posted: 2/9/2012 11:47:51 PM  Ohio69 wrote: Paul Graham wrote: Ted Thompson wrote: SBH wrote: Akron doesn't count adjuncts as full-time faculty, even if they teach full course loads, so they are not reflected here. According to the ABJ, there are more than 1,000 adjuncts on staff, making up for more than 50% of all instruction on campus. I found a letter to the editor which stated those facts but can't find any back up for them. Why would someone work for $20K per year? They could get temp work for $15 to $20 an hour or work in the private sector in their field. In my experience it is usually because they are just supplementing another income by teaching classes. My wife got an MS in Social Work in Chicago and about 1/2 of her professors were adjuncts. They had private practices and they would teach about two days a week. Its a cash cow for the university because they can charge 30-40K a year in tuition and pay their professors very little. Some say this is the future of higher education. As a PhD student....I certainly hope not. Back to Top bobcatsquared General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 5,418 Status: Offline     RE: Akron U. taking nice shots over JT hire    Posted: 2/10/2012 7:22:44 AM  Akron grooming tress for AD in five years, per dispatch. Back to Top brucecuth General User Member Since: 12/21/2004 Post Count: 1,837 Status: Offline     RE: Akron U. taking nice shots over JT hire    Posted: 2/10/2012 1:03:16 PM  Some of the above comments seem as though they could come from editors at the The Post... 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