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Topic: New Defensive Line Coach

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Mike Coleman
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New Defensive Line Coach

Posted: 1/20/2012 2:03:03 PM

According to footballscoop, it's Jesse Williams from New Mexico State.

Here's his bio:
http://www.nmstatesports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=1...

Apparently, he was let go after last season.

http://crucessports.blogspot.com/2011/12/lindsey-williams-gone.html

Casper71
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RE: New Defensive Line Coach

Posted: 1/20/2012 4:14:52 PM

I like the recruiting experience...FL, CA and TEXAS!

SBH
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RE: New Defensive Line Coach

Posted: 1/20/2012 4:49:19 PM

NMSU had a HUGE O-line last year...but they weren't very good.

Danness53
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RE: New Defensive Line Coach

Posted: 1/21/2012 6:04:06 PM

Doesnt cross me as a overly impressive D-Line coach hire, I just would have thought with the recent growth in the program that there would be people all over looking for a job on this staff. Instead we snag a guy with D1AA coaching talent, from a small WAC school that isnt known for anything Defense.

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RE: New Defensive Line Coach

Posted: 1/22/2012 4:07:37 PM

I'd trust Frank to hire Pee Wee Herman. Although I think he's a better hire for Penn St.

PutnamField
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RE: New Defensive Line Coach

Posted: 1/26/2012 4:58:34 PM

Ohio will pay Mr. Williams $65,000, according to The Post.

Ohio paid Mr. Germano $72,100 in 2010.

Athens Block
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RE: New Defensive Line Coach

Posted: 1/26/2012 5:40:32 PM

PutnamField wrote:

Ohio will pay Mr. Williams $65,000, according to The Post.

Ohio paid Mr. Germano $72,100 in 2010.

We're all anxiously awaiting the middle of April when you make your tax-returns public as well...

PutnamField
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RE: New Defensive Line Coach

Posted: 1/26/2012 9:52:58 PM

There have been entire threads or significant portions of threads devoted to coach and administrator salaries that didn't engender spiteful backlashes against people who supplied information. I found an online database, and I've been milking it for all it's worth. Which might be very little.

Anyway, it's mostly sheltered in the Cayman Islands.

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RE: New Defensive Line Coach

Posted: 1/26/2012 10:14:19 PM

PutnamField wrote:

I think the issue most have is that you're pointing out low-paid administrators or coaches. It's one thing to talk about Solich or Schaus making $200,000+....it's another to talk about our play-by-play guy making $30,000.

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RE: New Defensive Line Coach

Posted: 1/26/2012 11:22:13 PM

bobcat72 wrote:

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I think the issue most have is that you're pointing out low-paid administrators or coaches. It's one thing to talk about Solich or Schaus making $200,000+....it's another to talk about our play-by-play guy making $30,000.

This.

Last Edited: 1/26/2012 11:26:01 PM by Athens Block

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RE: New Defensive Line Coach

Posted: 1/27/2012 12:06:55 AM

bobcat72 wrote:

As mentioned, Williams' salary was reported in The Post. Have you sent them a derogatory e-mail for reporting factual news? I just added Germano's figure, which should have been in their article anyway.

As for reporting what others make, what's the big deal? I was proving my point that Eisenstein and Shaw earn money to do stuff, a point made in response to people who act as though they constantly go above and beyond their duties while exceeding all expectations and achieving immunity from any criticism. Personally, I thought Russ would be making more at Ohio, and I certainly never said he was overpaid or anything like that.

... Pausing here to meditate and be semi-astounded about how many people don't give careful reads to things and throw around terms like "hater" ...

In the end, this isn't the private sector. Plan accordingly. Would it have been ridiculous to have had more public scrutiny over lower-level employees in the months or years prior to Rob Andrey embezzling money from the department?

Last Edited: 1/27/2012 12:10:54 AM by PutnamField

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RE: New Defensive Line Coach

Posted: 1/27/2012 2:31:42 PM

PutnamField wrote:

Ohio will pay Mr. Williams $65,000, according to The Post.

Ohio paid Mr. Germano $72,100 in 2010.

Germano had been on the staff for 11 years which might explain the difference in salary. Those 3% raises add up. The pay though is not any better than what you would find for a teacher who is a position coach at a large High School with 15 years of teaching experience. There is the prestige factor of being a college coach over a high school teacher but those kind of coaches never get fired.

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Athens Block
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RE: New Defensive Line Coach

Posted: 1/27/2012 6:10:27 PM

PutnamField wrote:

[Would it have been ridiculous to have had more public scrutiny over lower-level employees in the months or years prior to Rob Andrey embezzling money from the department?

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/red-herring.html

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RE: New Defensive Line Coach

Posted: 1/27/2012 6:32:33 PM

Athens Block wrote:

PutnamField wrote:

[Would it have been ridiculous to have had more public scrutiny over lower-level employees in the months or years prior to Rob Andrey embezzling money from the department?

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/red-herring.html

Reminds me of my favorite from Logic my junior year:

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/post-hoc.html

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RE: New Defensive Line Coach

Posted: 1/27/2012 6:38:35 PM

PutnamField wrote:

Ohio will pay Mr. Williams $65,000, according to The Post.

Ohio paid Mr. Germano $72,100 in 2010.

Both of those sound like pretty short money to me, especially considering the tenures and experience of both men.

And the money for Russ and Evan is a REALLY short money.

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RE: New Defensive Line Coach

Posted: 1/27/2012 10:51:04 PM

D.A. wrote:

PutnamField wrote:

Ohio will pay Mr. Williams $65,000, according to The Post.

Ohio paid Mr. Germano $72,100 in 2010.

Both of those sound like pretty short money to me, especially considering the tenures and experience of both men.

And the money for Russ and Evan is a REALLY short money.

Short money? What is short money? Anyone who signs a contract agrees to work for the amount offered. If you don't like the money, don't sign the contract.

PutnamField
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RE: New Defensive Line Coach

Posted: 1/27/2012 11:19:42 PM

PutnamField wrote:

Ohio will pay Mr. Williams $65,000, according to The Post.

Ohio paid Mr. Germano $72,100 in 2010.

Athens Block wrote:

We're all anxiously awaiting the middle of April when you make your tax-returns public as well...

PutnamField wrote:

There have been entire threads or significant portions of threads devoted to coach and administrator salaries that didn't engender spiteful backlashes against people who supplied information.

bobcat72 wrote:

PutnamField wrote:

Would it have been ridiculous to have had more public scrutiny over lower-level employees in the months or years prior to Rob Andrey embezzling money from the department?

Athens Block wrote:

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/red-herring.html

My statement about Rob Andrey would only have been a red herring if it had been irrelevant to bobcat72's statement, quoted above. He offered no reason why disseminating any salary information was bad, but he implied that people in the department who make $200,000 and up are fair objects of such scrutiny, while people making $30,000 are not. Rejection without reasoning is known as an argument of dismissal. Arguing that "most" people have an "issue" with something constitutes an appeal to widespread belief. Both are fallacies. I raised the Andrey case as an example of why the public paying attention to who earns what to do what at the sub-$200,000 level could be beneficial. It's not a perfect example, but it's not irrelevant, especially given my longstanding position that sunshine discourages mold, figuratively speaking.

Athens Block's first statement, quoted above - the one about me posting my tax returns - was ad hominem needling, because it insulted the messenger instead of contesting the message.

Him accusing me of making a red herring argument, by cherry-picking my statement about Andrey while ignoring the bulk of that post, was argument by selective reading.

His combination of attacks, ridicule and lack of any assertion about his own position is known as failure to state.

So, in conclusion, here's the tally of logical fallacies:

Athens Block - 3 (ad hominem needling, argument by selective reading, failure to state)

bobcat72 - 2 (argument of dismissal, appeal to widespread belief)

PutnamField - 0

Last Edited: 1/27/2012 11:26:14 PM by PutnamField

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RE: New Defensive Line Coach

Posted: 1/27/2012 11:49:45 PM

My Introduction to Philosophy class just came back to mind.

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