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Topic: Charges against Haywood dropped

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Pataskala
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Charges against Haywood dropped

Posted: 2/11/2012 1:41:13 PM

He completed the terms of an agreement with prosecutors. Hope he gets on with his life as he plans to:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/ncaa/02/10...

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RE: Charges against Haywood dropped

Posted: 2/11/2012 8:15:03 PM

Good thing nobody jumped to conclusions.

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RE: Charges against Haywood dropped

Posted: 2/11/2012 9:42:39 PM

Burying the lead: "Haywood has filed a lawsuit in Pittsburgh federal court alleging that University of Pittsburgh officials breached their contract and violated federal law when they terminated him." (last paragraph in story.)

Last Edited: 2/11/2012 9:43:01 PM by OhioCatFan

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RE: Charges against Haywood dropped

Posted: 2/11/2012 10:18:06 PM

Dare I say Roger Lewis....dare...dare.

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RE: Charges against Haywood dropped

Posted: 2/12/2012 8:23:53 AM

JSF wrote:

Good thing nobody jumped to conclusions.

No one would ever do that around here.

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RE: Charges against Haywood dropped

Posted: 2/12/2012 10:52:44 AM

Whatever. It was Richard Jewell.

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RE: Charges against Haywood dropped

Posted: 2/12/2012 3:11:09 PM

You guys aren't saying he was innocent of wrongdoing are you? The victim didn't want to press charges-right?

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RE: Charges against Haywood dropped

Posted: 2/13/2012 12:00:45 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but domestic violence charges can still be brought against someone even if the victim is not willing to press them.

Either way, Pitt fired the man for a crime he didn't even stand trial for.

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RE: Charges against Haywood dropped

Posted: 2/13/2012 7:22:35 AM

He admitted that he grabbed her, so it isn't a question of guilt or innocence. The question that will be interesting is whether, in the absence of a conviction, he committed a violation of his contract with Pitt. I'm inclined to think that his wrongful termination lawsuit will have legs, but it remains to be seen.

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RE: Charges against Haywood dropped

Posted: 2/13/2012 11:36:28 AM

I'm just a guy on an internet message board, but I'm inclined to think the wrongful termination suit will be dismissed. Morals clauses often leave a very wide interpretation and one can not argue that Pitt took it on the chin when things went down.

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RE: Charges against Haywood dropped

Posted: 2/13/2012 4:02:20 PM

Just curious but how should Pitt have handled this? Just acted like nothing happened and kept a guy with a domestic violence charge hanging over his head in one of the most public profile positions a school has? And correct me if I'm wrong, but the reason the charges were dropped was because he agreed to stipulations handed down from the prosecutors?

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RE: Charges against Haywood dropped

Posted: 2/13/2012 4:19:37 PM

Steve wrote:

Bingo! He was guilty of the violence, but he's not being criminally charged. I don't know why anyone would defend this guys's actions.

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RE: Charges against Haywood dropped

Posted: 2/14/2012 8:44:36 PM

colobobcat66 wrote:

Steve wrote:

Bingo! He was guilty of the violence, but he's not being criminally charged. I don't know why anyone would defend this guys's actions.

Not so much defending him as realizing that domestic cases are hardly ever as cut and dried as they seem. People's emotions run high and they sometimes exaggerate or misinterpret what went on. The fact that she says she never wanted him to be arrested says volumes.

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RE: Charges against Haywood dropped

Posted: 2/14/2012 9:43:43 PM

This may be overly simplistic, but it seems to me that he was fired because the "court of public opinion" had found him guilty without the necessity of a judge or a jury. There was no concept of innocent until proven guilty operating here. Now, a court has found him, in essence, not guilty. It would seem to me that he would have a case against Pitt as he was basically fired for an assumed guilt that turned out not to actually be correct. I suppose elements in his contract could trump my arguments, but I think the whole process of trial by public opinion stinks.

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RE: Charges against Haywood dropped

Posted: 2/15/2012 4:49:36 PM

I think a lawsuit against Pitt would be foolhardy. An employer has a right to protect his/her/its interests in the employee relationship. Nothing was conjured up, this employee was not shunted aside to make way for something or somebody else. There wouldn't be any discrimination (in any form) involved. Sometimes people just have to be fired.

What we don't know if whether or not a private mutual termination agreement (read: buyout) was part of the original action.

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RE: Charges against Haywood dropped

Posted: 2/15/2012 7:26:10 PM

We do know there was no buyout - he filed the lawsuit against Pitt pretty much immediately after he was terminated. I'm sure that the case will hinge to a large degree on the specific language of the contract.

As prior posters commented, the point is that the public is very quick to react, and see the worst possible interpretation, and there is little concept of innocent until proven guilty left. Domestic cases, in particular, can be factually difficult. In this case we know very little, really. We know he did grab her, and she was hurt when trying to pull away. That could have been a fairly violent act, or something considerably less violent with some accidental consequences. We also know that there was a 911 call. Did she call because she was afraid of him? Or due to the nature of her injuries? I have no idea. Some people are habitually abusive, and deserve to be prosecuted. Others may do something one time in a fit of anger, and be intensely remorseful afterwards, and never repeat it. Which applies here? I don't know. All I do know is that they accepted this deal, and he will have no criminal record. If there had been a conviction, I think Pitt would have an open and shut case, but with no conviction, that case will be more difficult.

Last Edited: 2/15/2012 7:53:59 PM by L.C.

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