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Author Message LoganElm_grad09 General User Member Since: 9/9/2010 Location: South Bloomingville, OH Post Count: 934 Status: Offline     Why not do postseason like FCS?    Posted: 5/21/2012 8:10:24 PM  I'm not sure if it's been covered on here or not yet, but I was wondering why not do playoffs like FCS does it? Right now, I think it's 20 bids total (24 in 2013), automatic qualifiers from every conference and at large bids picked selection committee style.  What flaws does that system not have that FBS would? Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,365 Status: Offline     RE: Why not do postseason like FCS?    Posted: 5/21/2012 8:35:45 PM  I was wondering the other day whether the FCS ADs are lobbying against a playoff in the FBS.  For about 25 years Division 1 was divided into 1A and 1AA.  The AA schools got tired of the second-class status associated with the 1AA moniker, so they convinced the powers that be that BS and CS was less demeaning.  But if the BS gets a playoff, how do you differentiate between the two without demeaning the CS/AA schools?  They won't want to go back to A and AA, and most anything else would imply that the CS schools are second-class.    In addition to the logistics, there's this PR problem, too. We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,776 Status: Offline     RE: Why not do postseason like FCS?    Posted: 5/21/2012 9:22:01 PM  Pataskala, I was wondering about the same PR issue that you just raised.  It lead me to further speculate that any playoff system might have to involve all D-1 schools that play football.  You might end up with a system in which the winner of the FCS playoffs gets a shot at the FBS playoffs in the quarterfinal round, or something like that.  If I understand the NCAA structure correctly, all D-1 presidents will have a vote on any new playoff system.  Some compromises might be necessary on both sides of the fence.   The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top KyleWvr13 General User Member Since: 11/9/2010 Location: Pottstown, PA Post Count: 501 Status: Offline     RE: Why not do postseason like FCS?    Posted: 5/22/2012 12:05:25 PM  It's because even though some FCS teams may be playing a few more games than FBS teams, the national powerhouses still have a huge physical advantage than FCS, and those hits are very taxing and dangerous to have them occur on such huge games week after week. Back to Top Big Willy General User Member Since: 12/29/2004 Post Count: 195 Status: Offline     RE: Why not do postseason like FCS?    Posted: 5/22/2012 3:44:37 PM  A large playoff would destroy the bowl system. While some bowls could be incorporated into the playoffs, the remaining bowls (if they remained in existence) would be even less meaningful than they are now. Last Edited: 5/22/2012 4:39:25 PM by Big Willy Back to Top anorris General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Location: Bristol, CT Post Count: 2,262 Status: Offline     RE: Why not do postseason like FCS?    Posted: 5/23/2012 2:45:56 PM  Big Willy wrote: A large playoff would destroy the bowl system. While some bowls could be incorporated into the playoffs, the remaining bowls (if they remained in existence) would be even less meaningful than they are now. My answer to this is why should I care? Most of these bowls are nothing but thinly veiled money grabs by their administrators, and are operated in borderline and not-so-borderline fraudulent ways. To tell me the NCAA couldn't do a better job with presentation as well as generate more revenue for the schools and towns involved is preposterous. Back to Top SouthernCat General User Member Since: 1/3/2005 Post Count: 166 Status: Offline     RE: Why not do postseason like FCS?    Posted: 5/23/2012 3:36:40 PM  $ Back to Top bigtillyoopsupsideurhead General User Member Since: 12/1/2006 Location: Cincinnati Post Count: 1,926 Status: Offline     RE: Why not do postseason like FCS?    Posted: 5/23/2012 4:08:07 PM  Big Willy wrote: A large playoff would destroy the bowl system. While some bowls could be incorporated into the playoffs, the remaining bowls (if they remained in existence) would be even less meaningful than they are now. Who cares about the bowl system?  Back to Top Jeff McKinney Moderator Member Since: 11/12/2004 Post Count: 6,155 Status: Offline     RE: Why not do postseason like FCS?    Posted: 5/23/2012 4:20:55 PM  The current system is perpetuated because of the moneyed interests controlling the bowl system.  They want the status quo.  Other reasons given are largely specious excuses.  For example, "We can't have a full playoff because it would take these guys out of the classroom too much."  Are you SERIOUS?!  Division III has a complete playoff system and they aren't even scholarship schools and a lot of the schools are top notch academic institutions.  The idea for a four team playoff is total crap.  I tell you, I'm not nearly as interested in the bowls as I used to be for the reasons outlined above by anorris.  Best plan is for a 16 team playoff with every conference getting an automatic qualifier, then including five at large teams.  Back to Top Robert Fox General User Member Since: 11/16/2004 Location: Knoxville, TN Post Count: 2,039 Status: Offline     RE: Why not do postseason like FCS?    Posted: 5/23/2012 4:55:33 PM  Agree. The 4-team playoff is BS, and solves nothing. It pacifies only the largest of the BCS schools. There are far more teams spurned by this deal than there are teams that benefit from it. Back to Top C Money General User Member Since: 8/28/2010 Post Count: 3,420 Status: Offline     RE: Why not do postseason like FCS?    Posted: 5/23/2012 5:00:06 PM  Jeff McKinney wrote: The current system is perpetuated because of the moneyed interests controlling the bowl system.   Reminded me of this for some reason. Back to Top Big Willy General User Member Since: 12/29/2004 Post Count: 195 Status: Offline     RE: Why not do postseason like FCS?    Posted: 5/23/2012 7:07:37 PM  bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote: Big Willy wrote: A large playoff would destroy the bowl system. While some bowls could be incorporated into the playoffs, the remaining bowls (if they remained in existence) would be even less meaningful than they are now. Who cares about the bowl system?  The teams that play in them? Back to Top anorris General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Location: Bristol, CT Post Count: 2,262 Status: Offline     RE: Why not do postseason like FCS?    Posted: 5/24/2012 1:14:37 PM  Big Willy wrote: bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote: Big Willy wrote: A large playoff would destroy the bowl system. While some bowls could be incorporated into the playoffs, the remaining bowls (if they remained in existence) would be even less meaningful than they are now. Who cares about the bowl system?  The teams that play in them? Everybody gets a trophy!  Seriously, half of them are garbage anyway.  A playoff gives a team a real goal at the end of the season.  I legitimately don't understand why you'd want to perpetuate the garbage system as it is today in any form. Back to Top Big Willy General User Member Since: 12/29/2004 Post Count: 195 Status: Offline     RE: Why not do postseason like FCS?    Posted: 5/25/2012 11:42:03 AM  anorris wrote: Big Willy wrote: bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote: Big Willy wrote: A large playoff would destroy the bowl system. While some bowls could be incorporated into the playoffs, the remaining bowls (if they remained in existence) would be even less meaningful than they are now. Who cares about the bowl system?  The teams that play in them? Everybody gets a trophy!  Seriously, half of them are garbage anyway.  A playoff gives a team a real goal at the end of the season.  I legitimately don't understand why you'd want to perpetuate the garbage system as it is today in any form. Some fans on this board have been pretty excited about those garbage bowl games we have played in recently. With a large playoff system and doing away with the garbage bowls, we wouldn't have played in the post-season any of those years, and our last post-season appearance would still be 1968. If that's what you want, fine. All I am saying is that the schools, the teams, and the fans get pretty excited over that garbage. Back to Top anorris General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Location: Bristol, CT Post Count: 2,262 Status: Offline     RE: Why not do postseason like FCS?    Posted: 5/26/2012 12:55:39 AM  Big Willy wrote: anorris wrote: Big Willy wrote: bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote: Big Willy wrote: A large playoff would destroy the bowl system. While some bowls could be incorporated into the playoffs, the remaining bowls (if they remained in existence) would be even less meaningful than they are now. Who cares about the bowl system?  The teams that play in them? Everybody gets a trophy!  Seriously, half of them are garbage anyway.  A playoff gives a team a real goal at the end of the season.  I legitimately don't understand why you'd want to perpetuate the garbage system as it is today in any form. Some fans on this board have been pretty excited about those garbage bowl games we have played in recently. With a large playoff system and doing away with the garbage bowls, we wouldn't have played in the post-season any of those years, and our last post-season appearance would still be 1968. If that's what you want, fine. All I am saying is that the schools, the teams, and the fans get pretty excited over that garbage. I absolutely would trade the maybe-we-break-even-if-we-account-creatively bowls we've played in in recent years for having something real to play for in an NCAA-sanctions, travel-expenses-covered playoff, just like every other sport.  Yes, losing the MACC twice would hurt that much more.  I'm okay with that alternate reality. Back to Top davepi2 General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: columbus, OH Post Count: 583 Status: Offline     RE: Why not do postseason like FCS?    Posted: 5/26/2012 2:24:37 PM  I am surprised that nobody has mentioned that the playoff systems of  fcs, d2 and d3 have the opening rounds played on campus sites. This might  require SEC schools to leave the south and play in cold weather games. Something we all know they will never do. Back to Top Big Willy General User Member Since: 12/29/2004 Post Count: 195 Status: Offline     RE: Why not do postseason like FCS?    Posted: 5/26/2012 5:10:41 PM  davepi2 wrote: I am surprised that nobody has mentioned that the playoff systems of  fcs, d2 and d3 have the opening rounds played on campus sites. This might  require SEC schools to leave the south and play in cold weather games. Something we all know they will never do. It will be interesting to see how the four-team playoff works out. The Big Ten has proposed that the semi-final games be played at the home stadium of the higher seed. As you say, the southern teams/conferences want no part of that. I hope that format is adopted so Florida, Alabama, LSU, etc, get a taste of cold weather for a change. Back to Top LoganElm_grad09 General User Member Since: 9/9/2010 Location: South Bloomingville, OH Post Count: 934 Status: Offline     RE: Why not do postseason like FCS?    Posted: 5/29/2012 11:16:41 AM  My sentiment on this situation is this:  if there is not a playoff solution that includes all of the conferences, I could care less about a playoff.  I want one, don't get me wrong, but I think we should all come into the season with a shot at the national title.  Heck, even in the BCS there is a (very) slim shot at a Boise State getting to the big game. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,370 Status: Offline     RE: Why not do postseason like FCS?    Posted: 5/29/2012 2:30:08 PM  Jeff McKinney wrote: The current system is perpetuated because of the moneyed interests controlling the bowl system.  They want the status quo.  Other reasons given are largely specious excuses.  For example, "We can't have a full playoff because it would take these guys out of the classroom too much."  Are you SERIOUS?!  Division III has a complete playoff system and they aren't even scholarship schools and a lot of the schools are top notch academic institutions.  The idea for a four team playoff is total crap.  I tell you, I'm not nearly as interested in the bowls as I used to be for the reasons outlined above by anorris.  Best plan is for a 16 team playoff with every conference getting an automatic qualifier, then including five at large teams.  100% Agree Jeff.  Honestly, one of the big reasons I generally hate college football (other than OU of course) is because of all the crap associated with the BCS, bowl games, and just the Big school arrogance associated with being in the BCS.  A playoff that includes what Jeff suggests is the only acceptable way to go in my opinion.  Back to Top mf279801 General User Member Since: 8/6/2010 Location: Newark, DE Post Count: 2,473 Status: Offline     RE: Why not do postseason like FCS?    Posted: 5/29/2012 2:53:21 PM  OU_Country wrote: Jeff McKinney wrote: The current system is perpetuated because of the moneyed interests controlling the bowl system.  They want the status quo.  Other reasons given are largely specious excuses.  For example, "We can't have a full playoff because it would take these guys out of the classroom too much."  Are you SERIOUS?!  Division III has a complete playoff system and they aren't even scholarship schools and a lot of the schools are top notch academic institutions.  The idea for a four team playoff is total crap.  I tell you, I'm not nearly as interested in the bowls as I used to be for the reasons outlined above by anorris.  Best plan is for a 16 team playoff with every conference getting an automatic qualifier, then including five at large teams.  100% Agree Jeff.  Honestly, one of the big reasons I generally hate college football (other than OU of course) is because of all the crap associated with the BCS, bowl games, and just the Big school arrogance associated with being in the BCS.  A playoff that includes what Jeff suggests is the only acceptable way to go in my opinion.  and, as much as we might like to discuss it, isn't going to happen anytime soon. You might see an 8-team play-off in 10-15 years, but I don't see a 16-team playoff in the offing for sometime after that. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,370 Status: Offline     RE: Why not do postseason like FCS?    Posted: 5/30/2012 9:03:52 AM  mf279801 wrote: OU_Country wrote: Jeff McKinney wrote: The current system is perpetuated because of the moneyed interests controlling the bowl system.  They want the status quo.  Other reasons given are largely specious excuses.  For example, "We can't have a full playoff because it would take these guys out of the classroom too much."  Are you SERIOUS?!  Division III has a complete playoff system and they aren't even scholarship schools and a lot of the schools are top notch academic institutions.  The idea for a four team playoff is total crap.  I tell you, I'm not nearly as interested in the bowls as I used to be for the reasons outlined above by anorris.  Best plan is for a 16 team playoff with every conference getting an automatic qualifier, then including five at large teams.  100% Agree Jeff.  Honestly, one of the big reasons I generally hate college football (other than OU of course) is because of all the crap associated with the BCS, bowl games, and just the Big school arrogance associated with being in the BCS.  A playoff that includes what Jeff suggests is the only acceptable way to go in my opinion.  and, as much as we might like to discuss it, isn't going to happen anytime soon. You might see an 8-team play-off in 10-15 years, but I don't see a 16-team playoff in the offing for sometime after that. I know you're right on that, which is why at the end of the day, I watch OU, and come to the home games I can, and I watch Cincinnati (where my Dad went to school) and after that, I don't watch many college football games unless it's a social event.  I absolutely don't watch many bowl games anymore, and it's because of the system and how I perceive the "BCS Conferences" are effectively ruining college athletics solely because of football related money.  Thankfully, we still have the MAC, and semi-sensible affiliations (save Temple/UMass) that we can travel to and watch OUr school on the road.  I know some are for leaving for greener pastures, but honestly, if the competition levels could be slightly improved, the MAC is pretty much the best place we can be.  I hope we're never associated with C-USA, where our kids have to fly all over the country. 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