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PutnamField
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  Message Not Read  Sickening scandal at Penn State
   Posted: 11/5/2011 11:45:00 PM 
If this doesn't tarnish both the school and JoPa's legacy, I don't know what would:

www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-06/ex-penn-state-football-coach-sandusky-charged-with-sex-assaults-on-boys.html
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  Message Not Read  RE: Sickening scandal at Penn State
   Posted: 11/6/2011 12:23:59 AM 
PutnamField wrote:
If this doesn't tarnish both the school and JoPa's legacy, I don't know what would:

www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-06/ex-penn-state-football-coach-sandusky-charged-with-sex-assaults-on-boys.html


No reason this would be bad on Joe Paterno. He reported what he knew when he knew it he is not the police he doesn't file charges. The AD and the guy over the police should be in jail allon with sandusky.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Sickening scandal at Penn State
   Posted: 11/6/2011 12:32:55 AM 
You do have a point about Paterno. Apparently, the grand jury even praised him for reporting the alleged 2002 incident to the AD.

Also, Sandusky had retired in 1999, so it wasn't like Paterno kept working closely with him after hearing about it.

But I think that such a thing would have raised my hackles enough if I was In JoPa's shoes that I would have stayed on Curley and the other administrator's case until I knew the police had been contacted.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Sickening scandal at Penn State
   Posted: 11/6/2011 9:22:55 AM 
Guilt by association, justified or not,I'm guessing. Paterno will retire after the season.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Sickening scandal at Penn State
   Posted: 11/6/2011 11:14:24 AM 
I'm not sure that any of these guys, including the grad assistant who witnessed one alleged assault, isn't guilty at least from an ethical perspective for not doing more.

If you see something like that, are you gonna just tell a higher-up and leave it at that? Hell no, I'd be on the phone with the PoPo right away, and job security would be an afterthought as I figured out how to personally detain Mr. Sandusky without succumbing to the urge to hurt him severely.

At least one columnist seems to agree:

msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/jerry-sandusky-penn-state-football-sexual-abuse-scandal-tim-curley-gary-schultz-how-could-administration-let-it-happen110511

 
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  Message Not Read  RE: Sickening scandal at Penn State
   Posted: 11/6/2011 11:23:23 AM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
Guilt by association, justified or not,I'm guessing. Paterno will retire after the season.


Just because a coworker did something you are not guilty. Once you report something to proper people and they do not act on it you are not guilty. I am sure hundreds of crimes are reported daily that are not acted on that does not make the one that reported it guilty too.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Sickening scandal at Penn State
   Posted: 11/6/2011 11:33:31 AM 
wellstoncat wrote:
Once you report something to proper people and they do not act on it you are not guilty.


The grad assistant, the janitor, Paterno, the AD and the other administrator did not report it to the proper people.

The proper people are called the police.

Amazing that you don't get it. I'll spell it out for you:

If you see a man raping a 10-year-old boy, you call the police and think hard about making sure the perp doesn't flee before they get there.

You don't just tell your boss.

Good lord, no wonder this country's in trouble.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Sickening scandal at Penn State
   Posted: 11/6/2011 11:36:17 AM 
If you read the article one of the guys was head of the univesity POLICE.


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PutnamField
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  Message Not Read  RE: Sickening scandal at Penn State
   Posted: 11/6/2011 11:40:09 AM 
Wrong again. Mr. Schultz is a university administrator who oversees the PSU police.

Last Edited: 11/6/2011 11:40:59 AM by PutnamField

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  Message Not Read  RE: Sickening scandal at Penn State
   Posted: 11/6/2011 11:46:29 AM 
It was common knowledge that UVA interviewed Sandusky in 2001 before Groh was hired.  I remember the Second Mile program being discussed in terms of how much time he would spend with that organization in addition to coaching/recruiting.  As it turns out, it seems like he probably spent more time recruiting than any coach in the history of college football.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Sickening scandal at Penn State
   Posted: 11/6/2011 11:49:41 AM 
ohhh i'm sorry i thought some one that oversees the police might be the guy that was in charge and  would be able to tell the police. So  my boss  oversees my department so i don't tell him when something happens?


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Brian Smith (No, not that one)
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  Message Not Read  RE: Sickening scandal at Penn State
   Posted: 11/6/2011 11:55:01 AM 
There was a moral imperative for all of the involved people to keep screaming until someone did something about this. This isn't about covering your ass in a court case. Allegedly, impresionable young people were being molested and raped. You don't stop at "telling your boss"...this isn't a guy stealing office supplies. This is rape of 10 year old boys, allegedly.

If I see a 10 year old being raped in a shower by a superior, I don't tell my boss and give up. I start screaming to anyone and everyone I can tell. JoePa knew of allegations in 1997. A former PSU linebacker has told a reporter "He isn't surprised" by the allegations.

Everyone needs cleared out at Penn State if these allegations hold up.

This is the worst scandal in college football history. This makes SMU and USC and Ohio State and Miami look like tiddlywinks.

I don't care if JoePa and everyone else is clean in the eyes of the law. This is beyond the law. If you know of these sort of allegations, you have an obligation as a human being to scream until you're heard.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Sickening scandal at Penn State
   Posted: 11/6/2011 12:02:21 PM 

+ 10,000 for Brian Smith.

This is a lot like the Catholic clergy scandals.

If JoPa had screamed until he knew the police were investigating, it wouldn't have continued for years, and there would have been fewer (alleged) victims.

Some have reported that Sandusky was viewed as the heir apparent to Paterno.

I'll say this, too - Penn State has some very shady things going on involving their meteorology and climate-studies programs. The place stinks to high heaven.


 

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  Message Not Read  RE: Sickening scandal at Penn State
   Posted: 11/6/2011 12:15:37 PM 

How is JOPA to know if it is being investigated he is not in postion to have that information.  You are telling me that when you report a crime you keep checking back with them and that they would even tell you if something is going on or not be real guys.Just because he is a head coach of PSU he cannot be held acountable he reported what he knew. You can not hold anyone accountable for this other than the ones that did not act on what they knew.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Sickening scandal at Penn State
   Posted: 11/6/2011 12:19:37 PM 
I'm in shock!  I not only agree with PF's statements about this PSU scandal, but also on his dictum about PSU's climategate.  I could see JoPa's head rolling over this scandal.  While it looks like he did technically the right thing by reporting it to his superior, it doesn't sound like there was any follow up.  Don't you ask the AD at your next meeting, "Did you report that rape to the police yet?"  


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  Message Not Read  RE: Sickening scandal at Penn State
   Posted: 11/6/2011 12:20:19 PM 
This is really sick and outlines when Paterno told Sanduksy he would not be HC.  After all of this started, but before the incident that the student Manager reported to Paterno.

http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploadedFiles/Press/Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf
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  Message Not Read  RE: Sickening scandal at Penn State
   Posted: 11/6/2011 12:22:46 PM 
I guess a question that should be asked is this:

If the person abusing the child was a stranger to the program, would the bystander have reported it to the administration instead of calling the "po po" themselves by dialing 911?







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  Message Not Read  RE: Sickening scandal at Penn State
   Posted: 11/6/2011 12:23:17 PM 
wellstoncat wrote:
How is JOPA to know if it is being investigated he is not in postion to have that information.  You are telling me that when you report a crime you keep checking back with them and that they would even tell you if something is going on or not be real guys.Just because he is a head coach of PSU he cannot be held acountable he reported what he knew. You can not hold anyone accountable for this other than the ones that did not act on what they knew.


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   Posted: 11/6/2011 12:50:10 PM 

What you don't get is investigations take time you think you would ask about something like that all the time i call BS. You would report it and that would be end of it you would go back to your job. Just because he is JOPA and i am guess you don't like him you keep saying he should do this and that he did what he could the ball was dropped yes but he does not arrest people he does not file charges he did what he could.Yes it is horrible is it JOPA's fault no.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Sickening scandal at Penn State
   Posted: 11/6/2011 1:17:21 PM 
Thanks for the link, Bobcat Grad 86.

If you read the grand jury report carefully, you can see that this scandal extends to the offices of the Penn State president, the University Police and the Centre County district attorney.

wellstoncat, I promise you that I had no real opinion about Paterno before this story broke yesterday.



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   Posted: 11/6/2011 1:48:22 PM 
Foreshadowing ?: http://www.amazon.com/Touched-Jerry-Sandusky-Story/dp/1582613575

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  Message Not Read  RE: Sickening scandal at Penn State
   Posted: 11/6/2011 1:59:35 PM 
wellstoncat wrote:

What you don't get is investigations take time you think you would ask about something like that all the time i call BS. You would report it and that would be end of it you would go back to your job. Just because he is JOPA and i am guess you don't like him you keep saying he should do this and that he did what he could the ball was dropped yes but he does not arrest people he does not file charges he did what he could.Yes it is horrible is it JOPA's fault no.



I'm sorry, but you are just so wrong.

Brian and Putnam (our local law enforcement officer) are on point. When you see something CRAZY like an adult man raping a 10 year old boy in a shower, the first thing you do is CALL THE POLICE.

You don't tell your boss.

You don't tell your boss' boss.

You dial 911.

Ok, so the grad student went to Paterno. Fine. Paterno then should have called the police and then called the AD to notify him of an oncoming sh*t storm.

So he called the AD and some official that oversees the CAMPUS police. Ok, he gets about a 6 out of 10 for that. But then HE DOESN'T FOLLOW UP?! He doesn't call his boss THE NEXT DAY and say "Hey man, remember when our pal Jerry was raping a kid in the shower? Did you call the fuzz and report that?" It's been like TEN YEARS!

It wasn't important enough to JoePa to get this guy off the streets to make sure he doesn't continue to do this? That's completely crazy. If I were JoePa, I would have given those guys about 24 hours to do their thing before I took action.

Brian is right, this is perhaps the worst college football scandal yet. This REEKS of an old boys club, push it under the rug type situation. It's always awesome to see those types of dudes get busted.





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  Message Not Read  RE: Sickening scandal at Penn State
   Posted: 11/6/2011 2:17:26 PM 
First Street Forever wrote:
I guess a question that should be asked is this:

If the person abusing the child was a stranger to the program, would the bystander have reported it to the administration instead of calling the "po po" themselves by dialing 911?





The problem is that a lot of companies and departments have employee manuals where an employee is specifically directed to contact a supervisor in this situation. The manager tells the coach who tells the AD. Then it's pretty clear the AD and prez are at fault here.

Now morally I think you have an obligation to contact the police immediately separately. But who knows, maybe this goes all the way through the PD and DA.

I agree this is the worst scandal is college sports history.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Sickening scandal at Penn State
   Posted: 11/6/2011 2:40:54 PM 
Penn State is now paying for the legal counsel of Curley and Schultz. Agree with everyone about the severe nature of this and see no way that Paterno continues as coach. While Paterano and the grad assistant weren't charged criminally, you do wonder what type of civil liability they have.


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Brian Smith (No, not that one)
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  Message Not Read  RE: Sickening scandal at Penn State
   Posted: 11/6/2011 2:53:40 PM 
Now that I think of it more, how do you see a guy raping a 10-year old and then LEAVE without doing something to stop him? Go grab a bat or a hammer and threaten to knock his head in. Do SOMETHING. I'm not advocating tooth-for-tooth vigilante justice, but you have to do something to stop it. You can't really want a job being a grad assistant enough to let that go. You just can't.

And I understand that organizations have it written in their worker's code of conduct to report to management, but it's kind of like if you work at Enron in the early 2000s. If you really want to blow the whistle, you're not going to tell Ken Lay that Enron is stealing people's money.

Last Edited: 11/6/2011 2:56:32 PM by Brian Smith (No, not that one)

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