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Pataskala
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  Message Not Read  You never know
   Posted: 7/24/2012 7:10:27 AM 
We all tend to deify or villainize coaches, depending largely on our own biases.  I find it galling that Bobby Bowden is now the winningest coach in Division 1A/FBS history.  Unlike Penn St, Bowden's programs seemed to constantly run afoul of NCAA rules and his players involved in some kind of scam, either academically or criminally.  But yesterday I ran across this in Wikipedia: Bowden was a young head coach at WVU in 1970 and after the Marshall crash he offered to have his players suit up in Marshall uniforms and play Marshall's season-ender at Ohio.  The NCAA denied the request.  Nevertheless, to me that showed unexpected character from a guy whose programs at FSU had little in the way of character. 

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Flat Tire
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  Message Not Read  RE: You never know
   Posted: 7/24/2012 7:36:13 AM 
Pataskala wrote:
We all tend to deify or villainize coaches, depending largely on our own biases.  I find it galling that Bobby Bowden is now the winningest coach in Division 1A/FBS history.  Unlike Penn St, Bowden's programs seemed to constantly run afoul of NCAA rules and his players involved in some kind of scam, either academically or criminally.  But yesterday I ran across this in Wikipedia: Bowden was a young head coach at WVU in 1970 and after the Marshall crash he offered to have his players suit up in Marshall uniforms and play Marshall's season-ender at Ohio.  The NCAA denied the request.  Nevertheless, to me that showed unexpected character from a guy whose programs at FSU had little in the way of character. 


One shouldn't accept  Wikipedia as a reliable resource.

Bowden did not offer to have the wvu players where Marshall uniforms and play the game tOhio. He had a game scheduled for that weekend. He did paint green crosses on the helmets (without MU on the  crosses as stated in the same Wiki entry). Bob was offered the MU job and didn't accept it before the crash and thus spared himself on being on the plane. He did teach the new MU coach his offense after the crash.
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Bobcatbob
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   Posted: 7/24/2012 9:06:48 AM 
You don't really mean that about Penn State not being an NCAA problem relative to FSU, do you? NO ONE has ever been a bigger NCAA trouble maker than Penn State, whether you agree with the exercise of the NCAA's "power" or not. 

Bobby Bowden above Paterno doesn't bother me.  In fact, everybody above Paterno in my vote.  In comparison, Woody Hayes and Jim Kush are so far above Paterno in coaching ethics that they may now be viewed as likeable curmudgeons in comparison.

Jim Kush (for you young 'uns.)
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   Posted: 7/24/2012 4:33:48 PM 
This post reminds me of a story that's been going through my head ever since the Sandusky-gate scandal first broke.  The only problem with relating this story is that I can't remember precisely who told it to me, but it was someone who had an insider's viewpoint on college football.  Given the general time frame in which I heard this story, I believe it was someone at Ohio State who told me.  After all that buildup, the story is shorter than the build up: At meetings of groups like the ACFA, a collegiate football coaches association, the table where Woody Hayes would sit down for lunch would always fill up last, because he was considered a bore, whereas the table that JoePa sat down at would fill up first because he was a much more interesting conversationalist.  In retrospect, I'd have to say those who sat down and talked with Woody at least weren't talking to a hypocrite.  For years, the mental picture that this story imprinted in my mind colored my view of Paterno. Now, the perspective suddenly seems to be reversed.  My mind is still wrestling with the dissonance.  

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Bobcat Grad 86
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   Posted: 7/24/2012 7:46:30 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
This post reminds me of a story that's been going through my head ever since the Sandusky-gate scandal first broke.  The only problem with relating this story is that I can't remember precisely who told it to me, but it was someone who had an insider's viewpoint on college football.  Given the general time frame in which I heard this story, I believe it was someone at Ohio State who told me.  After all that buildup, the story is shorter than the build up: At meetings of groups like the ACFA, a collegiate football coaches association, the table where Woody Hayes would sit down for lunch would always fill up last, because he was considered a bore, whereas the table that JoePa sat down at would fill up first because he was a much more interesting conversationalist.  In retrospect, I'd have to say those who sat down and talked with Woody at least weren't talking to a hypocrite.  For years, the mental picture that this story imprinted in my mind colored my view of Paterno. Now, the perspective suddenly seems to be reversed.  My mind is still wrestling with the dissonance.  


In 1976 we were having brunch at the Ohio State golf course when we spotted Woody Hayes and a large group of people including QB Rod Gerald at a table on the other side of the room.  My brother who had some slight learning disabilities went over to get Woody's autograph before we could stop him.  We saw Woody pull his chair back and put his arm around my brother who was ten at the time.  They chatted for several minutes and he came back with  Woody and Rod's autograph.  A few minutes later everybody at the table got up and headed to the exit except for two people, Woody and his wfie Anne.  Woody came over and introduced himself and thanked my brother for coming over to  visit.  When my Dad introduced himself, Woody recognized our last name and our place of business on the the southend  of  Columbus near German Village.  Woody mentioned he noticed the  capital improvements to the property over the years and mentioned that was the sign of  a good business person.  Woody and his wife could not have been nicer and I will never forget his kindness.
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Jeff Johnson
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  Message Not Read  RE: You never know
   Posted: 7/25/2012 1:48:58 AM 
Bobcat Grad 86 wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
This post reminds me of a story that's been going through my head ever since the Sandusky-gate scandal first broke.  The only problem with relating this story is that I can't remember precisely who told it to me, but it was someone who had an insider's viewpoint on college football.  Given the general time frame in which I heard this story, I believe it was someone at Ohio State who told me.  After all that buildup, the story is shorter than the build up: At meetings of groups like the ACFA, a collegiate football coaches association, the table where Woody Hayes would sit down for lunch would always fill up last, because he was considered a bore, whereas the table that JoePa sat down at would fill up first because he was a much more interesting conversationalist.  In retrospect, I'd have to say those who sat down and talked with Woody at least weren't talking to a hypocrite.  For years, the mental picture that this story imprinted in my mind colored my view of Paterno. Now, the perspective suddenly seems to be reversed.  My mind is still wrestling with the dissonance.  


In 1976 we were having brunch at the Ohio State golf course when we spotted Woody Hayes and a large group of people including QB Rod Gerald at a table on the other side of the room.  My brother who had some slight learning disabilities went over to get Woody's autograph before we could stop him.  We saw Woody pull his chair back and put his arm around my brother who was ten at the time.  They chatted for several minutes and he came back with  Woody and Rod's autograph.  A few minutes later everybody at the table got up and headed to the exit except for two people, Woody and his wfie Anne.  Woody came over and introduced himself and thanked my brother for coming over to  visit.  When my Dad introduced himself, Woody recognized our last name and our place of business on the the southend  of  Columbus near German Village.  Woody mentioned he noticed the  capital improvements to the property over the years and mentioned that was the sign of  a good business person.  Woody and his wife could not have been nicer and I will never forget his kindness.


By most accounts, off the football field, Woody was one of the most cordial head coaches in college football.  Also, he was one of the few coaches (in modern times) to teach classes other than those related to sports...I believe he taught history, especially relating to the histories of WW1 and WW2, and his classes were well attended.

Jeff Johnson '67, Albuquerque, New Mexico
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GoCats105
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  Message Not Read  RE: You never know
   Posted: 7/25/2012 8:11:52 AM 
Rick Reilly's column on Paterno and the study of saints was an interesting read.


http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=8162972&wjb
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