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Topic:  Pre-snap Read: OUr Bobcats are No. 26 (latest: LSU No. 1, Tyler Tettleton gets Heisman mention)
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  Message Not Read  Pre-snap Read: OUr Bobcats are No. 26 (latest: LSU No. 1, Tyler Tettleton gets Heisman mention)
   Posted: 7/28/2012 5:40:26 AM 
New York Times football writer Paul Myerberg's college football countdown reached its destination on the "opening Saturday" of the 2012 season with a post proclaiming LSU as No. 1. His prelude to the post about LSU was a preseason "Heisman watch" which talks about the favorites and then lists, alphabetically, "the many players just off the top list" -- including OUr Tyler Tettleton. CLICK HERE for the Heisman watch post.
 
As for OUr team: We had our day in the spotlight on August 9, when Paul called out the Bobcats at No. 26 among the 124 FBS schools heading into the 2012 season. That's some high-touting for a program that wouldn't have broken the top 100 just a few years ago.

Paul's lengthy post clarifies the rationale for OUr high ranking: the 'Cats are well-equipped to succeed in OUr particular circumstances, which includes not just a coaching staff that is skilled and veteran and a team that is "extremely talented" but also a schedule "the Bobcats are going to rip through ... like a roomful of Ohio underclassmen tearing through a 30-pack of Busch Light." So pop one open and read on!

Here's Paul's complete countdown, with OUr opponents highlighted (Norfolk State is not included, as it is a F.C.S. school). Other MAC teams are denoted this way. Each school name is a clickable link to the post about that team.

Last Edited: 9/1/2012 6:55:02 AM by Cat4ever

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  Message Not Read  RE: Pre-snap Read (as of July 28 ... UC No. 42)
   Posted: 7/28/2012 9:03:10 AM 
Ohio is top 40. The highest ranking so far was #31 by Phil Steele, and most rankings were mid-fifties.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Pre-snap Read (as of July 28 ... UC No. 42)
   Posted: 7/28/2012 11:37:41 AM 
http://bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromPage=1...

It's in that thread, but it's been lost among all the other discussions about the game, Penn State players transferring, etc. I like having it as it's own thread so we can easily see all the teams ranked below us as they are released.

I think we'll get called sometime next week. Maybe #37
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   Posted: 7/30/2012 7:44:40 AM 
I have to be wondering as I look at this list and all the power-conference teams that have been called ahead of OUr team if Paul Myerberg really believes OUr 'Cats are better than, say, Auburn ... or that we are better equipped to have a better season than all of those 80-some teams called below whatever our number will be -- in the context of OUr circumstances (that is, given the schedule that we have to play).

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  Message Not Read  RE: Pre-snap Read
   Posted: 7/30/2012 9:27:07 AM 
Cat4ever wrote:
I have to be wondering as I look at this list and all the power-conference teams that have been called ahead of OUr team if Paul Myerberg really believes OUr 'Cats are better than, say, Auburn ... or that we are better equipped to have a better season than all of those 80-some teams called below whatever our number will be -- in the context of OUr circumstances (that is, given the schedule that we have to play).

That's a more difficult question to answer than  you might think because pyschology plays such a role. For example, one team might have less talent, play in an easy conference, and build up confidence and momentum, while another team might have more talent, but play in a harder conference, and end up with no confidence and momentum. When these two teams played, the outcome might depend on the time of year. Played early in the year, the team with more talent might win. Played later in the year, the team with more confidence might win. So, which one is "better"? Which should be ranked higher?

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  Message Not Read  RE: Pre-snap Read
   Posted: 7/30/2012 11:26:08 AM 
L.C. wrote:
Cat4ever wrote:
I have to be wondering as I look at this list and all the power-conference teams that have been called ahead of OUr team if Paul Myerberg really believes OUr 'Cats are better than, say, Auburn ... or that we are better equipped to have a better season than all of those 80-some teams called below whatever our number will be -- in the context of OUr circumstances (that is, given the schedule that we have to play).

That's a more difficult question to answer than  you might think because pyschology plays such a role. For example, one team might have less talent, play in an easy conference, and build up confidence and momentum, while another team might have more talent, but play in a harder conference, and end up with no confidence and momentum. When these two teams played, the outcome might depend on the time of year. Played early in the year, the team with more talent might win. Played later in the year, the team with more confidence might win. So, which one is "better"? Which should be ranked higher?


Boy, L.C., that gets me to thinking about the guys who play on Smurf Turf. They have had some very good players, but I think their success is a whole lot of what you are suggesting ... I think ... I think.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Pre-snap Read
   Posted: 7/30/2012 1:56:00 PM 
Another thing it makes me think about is the "Love" debate, about the relative advantages of scheduling weak versus strong opposition. There are advantages and disadvantages to both, but I think so long as one understands the strategy of what you are trying to accomplish, either can work. As I see it, the two strategies are:

Strong-foe - The plan 
Recruiting is critical, and so is fan-base communication. The idea is that you recruit better talent because they know they will be playing top-flight competition. You simultaneously try to build fan support, and attract them with the good opposition, increasing attendance, then ticket prices, gear sales, and contributions.
Strong-foe - What can go wrong
If you aren't able to recruit sufficiently good players, or the coaching isn't good enough, you won't ever win. That eventually will turn off the fans, and attendance will drop. Similarly the morale will fall, and the plan will fail. Fans love to see this plan followed because of the potential for instant improvement, but I think failure is much more common than success. I think you need a very dynamic and media focused coach for it to really work well.

Weak-foe - The plan
You play just enough top competition that the players will know where they need to be, and the rest of the time you play teams that you have a chance to beat. You build a winning attitude, and player confidence, so that, even though you may be lacking somewhat in talent, when you do play the top teams, you play with confidence, and over-achieve. You attract fans not because of the foes, but because the team wins. As the winning starts, fan support increases, and recruiting increases.
Weak-foe - What can go wrong
If you too many weak teams, your team may not be competitive against the top competition from lack of practice. They may get to the hard games, but lose, because, while they are confident, they aren't really prepared, and don't really have sufficient talent.  Because of the lack of appealing foes, fan support will grow slower, as will contributions. Worse, if you don't win the games against the teams that you "can beat", the whole plan fails.

Some people would have you think there is only one way you can do things, but I think either of these can be made to work, and you can find people that have used them successfully. There are probably other plans that work, too. My personal opinion is that the weak-foe plan was right for Ohio because I don't think that the strong-foe plan would have generated the revenue and fan support quickly, given the demographics. I also don't think Solich had the right dynamic personality for the strong-foe plan, and the other fit him better.

What has happened is that the weak-foe plan has worked, but we've seen one of the problems - getting to the games, but not winning. That applies to both MAC championships and bowls. A classic team for that was 2006. The team played with confidence, won games, and got to the MAC championship and bowl. On the other hand, it just didn't have the experience or talent to compete when it got there.

I think they are over that hump, now. I think the overall talent is much higher now, and they can and do compete in those games now. They should have won the MAC championship last year, and did win a bowl. Now it's just a matter of continuing to build the talent level, and continuing to upgrade the foes. The recent recruiting classes have been getting better and better, so over the next 5 years, the overall talent level will continue to get better. I also see the competition level increasing. As for foes, not long ago they were signing deals with North Texas State, Louisana-Lafayette, and New Mexico State, and now I expect to see teams more like Marshall, Louisville, or Cincinnati. The result of both will be that Ohio will continue to improve, and be competitive when they do get to bowls or championships.

Edit = oh, and Tulsa is 39, so Ohio is still to come.

Last Edited: 7/30/2012 1:58:31 PM by L.C.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Pre-snap Read
   Posted: 7/30/2012 6:56:25 PM 
tulsa is next at #39.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Pre-snap Read
   Posted: 7/30/2012 7:12:30 PM 
TV is very important for a 3 star wanting to take a chance on a program like Ohio as opposed to holding out for a mega program offer like Notre Dame and Penn State who we couldn't otherwise normally contest head to head. Having games against bigger conference games is measured in terms of who is on the schedule over the course of a players career. For instance over the last few years Ohio has played Ohio State, Tennessee, Rutgers over the course of a players career. Looking at it from this standpoint there is nothing that can be gained really by playing more than 1 BCS school per year for recruiting purposes. I would not be surprised if Ohio was replacing money games against O$U and Pedo St. with 1 for 1s with mid tier BCS like Cincinnati and Kansas so the program could have 7 home games in some years. Keep Marshall on the schedule and put an upper tier Sun Belt team in there that we can beat. It would be nice to bring some of those ACC programs to Peden Stadium like UVA or Syracuse for a beatdown. That I think would make the fans very happy.

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   Posted: 7/30/2012 7:34:43 PM 
Uncle Wes wrote:
I would not be surprised if Ohio was replacing money games against O$U and Pedo St. with 1 for 1s with mid tier BCS like Cincinnati and Kansas so the program could have 7 home games in some years. Keep Marshall on the schedule and put an upper tier Sun Belt team in there that we can beat. It would be nice to bring some of those ACC programs to Peden Stadium like UVA or Syracuse for a beatdown. That I think would make the fans very happy.


KU is scheduled to come to Peden 9/16/17. UC on the schedule 9/12/20.

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   Posted: 7/30/2012 11:56:34 PM 
Can anyone complain about the sure, steady progress that we've made?  A world of difference from 6-7 years ago.

I wonder how many of the young men who were recruited about 3-6 years ago would make this year's squad.  Surely, some but surely some not, also.

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   Posted: 7/31/2012 8:42:32 AM 

In 2010 Myerberg had us at #60. In 2011 he had us at #52. Paul now considers us in the top third of college football. It might indicate he thinks this team is even better than last year. That is awesome.
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   Posted: 7/31/2012 9:59:31 AM 
Granted, I drink green Ohio Bobcat Kool Aid 24/7 and in Frank I trust, but no way are we better than Auburn. I do love the nationwide respect we're getting though.
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   Posted: 7/31/2012 11:10:44 AM 
Putting us up high...making us worthy of a long look...a very dangerous team:  Bobcats bull backfield busting 'em with both Beau B and Boykin in the backfield together at times.

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   Posted: 7/31/2012 11:35:26 AM 
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:
no way are we better than Auburn.


Any given Saturday, my friend.......
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   Posted: 7/31/2012 11:47:07 AM 
Utah St almost beat auburn last year
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   Posted: 7/31/2012 12:27:57 PM 
C Money wrote:
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:
no way are we better than Auburn.


Any given Saturday, my friend.......


That is true. I recall that we gave the then #3 team in the country quite a scare 4 years ago!
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   Posted: 7/31/2012 1:05:16 PM 
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:
C Money wrote:
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:
no way are we better than Auburn.


Any given Saturday, my friend.......


That is true. I recall that we gave the then #3 team in the country quite a scare 4 years ago!

... and that was with a team that finished 4-8, yet two years later, with a much better team, Ohio lost 43-7 to the same foe.

That's why you play the games - anything can happen(, and if you aren't careful, you can end up in a ditch).

Note - California is #38, and I thought maybe the clue for #37 fit, so I checked. The clue was
Presnap Read wrote:
Who is No. 37? The formula is simple: To win games, tomorrow’s program needs to crack the 30-point mark – the team is 19-2 over the last four years when reaching that total.

Actually, Ohio was 21-1 when scoring 30, so Ohio is #36 or better.

Last Edited: 7/31/2012 1:13:32 PM by L.C.

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   Posted: 7/31/2012 1:36:32 PM 
L.C. wrote:
Note - California is #38, and I thought maybe the clue for #37 fit, so I checked. The clue was
Presnap Read wrote:
Who is No. 37? The formula is simple: To win games, tomorrow’s program needs to crack the 30-point mark – the team is 19-2 over the last four years when reaching that total.

Actually, Ohio was 21-1 when scoring 30, so Ohio is #36 or better.



...Unless Paul is not infallible and tallied our record incorrectly :)

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   Posted: 7/31/2012 2:52:41 PM 
Just curious, how many people read this/take this as a credible source?

You know what Frank Solich likes most about coaching in the MAC? While he gets older, his coaching competition stays the same age, man.

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   Posted: 7/31/2012 3:05:38 PM 
Business_Cat wrote:
How many people read this/take this as a credible source?


ALL of our opponents--that's why Rufus is wearing the eye-patch.

Let's see how tuff they are!

Last Edited: 7/31/2012 3:09:14 PM by MonroeClassmate
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   Posted: 7/31/2012 3:29:29 PM 
Business_Cat wrote:
Just curious, how many people read this/take this as a credible source?


Biz Cat, if you are referring to BA.com as a credible source, probably those of us who post here. No, come to think of it: We know better.

If you are talking about Presnapread.com, it is like all the rest of the polls and reports, preseason and otherwise: It stirs up interest, conversation, debate, etc., etc. It certainly appears that Paul Myerberg and/or his fellow college football "watchers" devote a lot of effort to the countdown.

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   Posted: 7/31/2012 3:40:20 PM 
Cat4ever wrote:
Business_Cat wrote:
Just curious, how many people read this/take this as a credible source?


Biz Cat, if you are referring to BA.com as a credible source, probably those of us who post here. No, come to think of it: We know better.

If you are talking about Presnapread.com, it is like all the rest of the polls and reports, preseason and otherwise: It stirs up interest, conversation, debate, etc., etc. It certainly appears that Paul Myerberg and/or his fellow college football "watchers" devote a lot of effort to the countdown.


I meant presnapread.com I apologize for not specifying. 

I mean, obviously all the OHIO analysis is fair and balanced on the BA 

You know what Frank Solich likes most about coaching in the MAC? While he gets older, his coaching competition stays the same age, man.

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   Posted: 7/31/2012 6:56:22 PM 
Business_Cat wrote:
...I mean, obviously all the OHIO analysis is fair and balanced on the BA 

Obviously.

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   Posted: 8/1/2012 12:46:06 PM 
#36 is NC State

Clue for #35 does not appear to be Ohio:

"Who is No. 35? Tomorrow’s program played its first game exactly one month before the birth of a songwriter who would at one point hold the copyright to one of 20th century America’s most recognizable songs. And that’s what it’s all about."

Larry LaPrise wrote the Hokey Pokey, born, January 1914 and Ohio football started in the 1894

Last Edited: 8/1/2012 1:49:32 PM by MonroeClassmate
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