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Pataskala
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   Posted: 9/2/2012 9:52:12 PM 
1AA Savannah St got a $385,000 payout for going to Stillwater and getting hammered by Ok St, 84-0.  The game was on some kind of TV but it doesn't appear to have been any kind of national or regional network. Next week they're at FSU; I don't know what the payout is.  They don't appear to be transitioning to 1A.  I know why a 1A non-AQ school might want to do this, but it doesn't seem worth the money for a 1AA school to get thoroughly embarrassed and maybe beat up the first two weeks of the season. 

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   Posted: 9/2/2012 10:04:06 PM 
The Savannah coach said afterward it wasn't worth it.

But seriously, Gundy, you couldn't have called off the dogs?

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   Posted: 9/2/2012 10:12:47 PM 
Definantly not worth it.  What's worse, on ESPN they said that SSU's coach thanked OK State's coach after the game for letting off the gas.
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   Posted: 9/2/2012 10:21:55 PM 
It was on an FSN affiliate, and it was as ugly as it sounds.
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   Posted: 9/3/2012 1:13:38 AM 
 I wondered the same thing. I am from Georgia and to be completely honest, I didn't know Savannah State even had a football program. 

Sure the money is nice, but the publicity, especially in the football loving South, can't help recruiting or attendance. Good luck to Savannah State against FSU, unfortunately I think they are going to hurt themselves rather than help in the long run.

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   Posted: 9/3/2012 10:26:11 AM 
The thing about playing a spread/air-raid team like Oklahoma State is that they don't really have a slow setting (this isn't a novel observation on my part). They can put in backups and bench warmers, but ultimately their offense is one that will rapidly move the ball down field if you're not breaking up passes/really covering receivers. Even their running plays, because of how much you have to sell out to cover against passes, tend to be high yardage affairs. Where this hurts them is in trying to burn clock to salt away a win.

On the plus side, it should also result in less wear and tear for the visiting team (at least for their D-line men) than it would if they were running it up the gut every play.
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   Posted: 9/3/2012 10:43:45 AM 
Hey guys.  I used to lift with the players from Savannah State in the mid-1990's.  You know where we did this?  At a Golds Gym in Savannah.  They didn't even have a weight room!  I certainly agree it's "not worth it" generally, but maybe they got enough to pay for the use of the Golds Gym weight room for a couple more years!  It's a pitiful program.  You gotta feel bad for those kids...getting put through that meat grinder for a few lousy bucks.  The person that scheduled that should be ashamed.
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   Posted: 9/3/2012 11:22:58 AM 
mf279801 wrote:
The thing about playing a spread/air-raid team like Oklahoma State is that they don't really have a slow setting (this isn't a novel observation on my part). They can put in backups and bench warmers, but ultimately their offense is one that will rapidly move the ball down field if you're not breaking up passes/really covering receivers. Even their running plays, because of how much you have to sell out to cover against passes, tend to be high yardage affairs. Where this hurts them is in trying to burn clock to salt away a win.

On the plus side, it should also result in less wear and tear for the visiting team (at least for their D-line men) than it would if they were running it up the gut every play.
Not buying it. Oregon managed.
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   Posted: 9/3/2012 11:23:25 AM 
Raleighherdfan wrote:
Hey guys.  I used to lift with the players from Savannah State in the mid-1990's.  You know where we did this?  At a Golds Gym in Savannah.  They didn't even have a weight room!  I certainly agree it's "not worth it" generally, but maybe they got enough to pay for the use of the Golds Gym weight room for a couple more years!  It's a pitiful program.  You gotta feel bad for those kids...getting put through that meat grinder for a few lousy bucks.  The person that scheduled that should be ashamed.


Caught a bit of Mike & Mike this morning and Mike made the point that these kids went out and got run over not to benefit the football program but so other programs -- and maybe not even athletics -- could benefit.  At least their expenses to Tallahassee won't eat up as much of their budget.

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   Posted: 9/3/2012 12:05:58 PM 
anorris wrote:
mf279801 wrote:
The thing about playing a spread/air-raid team like Oklahoma State is that they don't really have a slow setting (this isn't a novel observation on my part). They can put in backups and bench warmers, but ultimately their offense is one that will rapidly move the ball down field if you're not breaking up passes/really covering receivers. Even their running plays, because of how much you have to sell out to cover against passes, tend to be high yardage affairs. Where this hurts them is in trying to burn clock to salt away a win.

On the plus side, it should also result in less wear and tear for the visiting team (at least for their D-line men) than it would if they were running it up the gut every play.
Not buying it. Oregon managed.


Oregon's opponent had a pulse. Savannah state managed less than 140 yards, and actually held the ball for almost 10 more minutes than Oklahoma State. I guess oklahoma state could have just started taking a knee in the 3rd or 4th quarters, but that seems WAY more insulting to me than continuing to play something approaching your normal style with with backups in.

They don't play an especially physical style of play. I can't find the exact quote, but you don't stop shooting the ball when you're ahead in basketball, you don't stop swinging the bat (or stop throwing a variety of pitches) when you're ahead in baseball, you've got to do something in football, even if you're ahead. I guess they could have switched entirely to running "dive up the middle, dive up the middle, dive up the middle" but I think that runs, or at least seems to run, a greater liklihood of injury (to either your running back or the other team's D-linemen) than does continuing to pass.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Worth it?
   Posted: 9/3/2012 1:08:44 PM 
mf279801 wrote:
anorris wrote:
mf279801 wrote:
The thing about playing a spread/air-raid team like Oklahoma State is that they don't really have a slow setting (this isn't a novel observation on my part). They can put in backups and bench warmers, but ultimately their offense is one that will rapidly move the ball down field if you're not breaking up passes/really covering receivers. Even their running plays, because of how much you have to sell out to cover against passes, tend to be high yardage affairs. Where this hurts them is in trying to burn clock to salt away a win.

On the plus side, it should also result in less wear and tear for the visiting team (at least for their D-line men) than it would if they were running it up the gut every play.
Not buying it. Oregon managed.


Oregon's opponent had a pulse. Savannah state managed less than 140 yards, and actually held the ball for almost 10 more minutes than Oklahoma State. I guess oklahoma state could have just started taking a knee in the 3rd or 4th quarters, but that seems WAY more insulting to me than continuing to play something approaching your normal style with with backups in.

They don't play an especially physical style of play. I can't find the exact quote, but you don't stop shooting the ball when you're ahead in basketball, you don't stop swinging the bat (or stop throwing a variety of pitches) when you're ahead in baseball, you've got to do something in football, even if you're ahead. I guess they could have switched entirely to running "dive up the middle, dive up the middle, dive up the middle" but I think that runs, or at least seems to run, a greater liklihood of injury (to either your running back or the other team's D-linemen) than does continuing to pass.


If I'm playing on a team where I know my next opponent is vastly superior, I would be immeasurably insulted if they stopped playing hard. You have to figure that Savannah State prepared their hardest to go over to Stillwater. It would be insulting if the Cowboys didn't give their best effort. If you're Gundy, or the coach of any dominating team, you can unload your bench, stop throwing the deep ball, stop pressing if you're playing basketball, but if any bench players aren't trying to dominate their assignment, they shouldn't be out on the field. It is NOT demeaning to lose by a lot. If you're giving an honest effort and happen to be slaughtered by an opponent who is giving an honest effort, that's the way it goes. You did your preparation, and he did he. His happened to be a lot better for whatever reason, and all you can do is play out the game. And if you're Oklahoma State, you should win with as little fuss as possible, because in all likelihood, you will lose a game or two this season. Mismatches happen, and there is a perfectly diginified way to win by a lot.
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