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Pataskala
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  Message Not Read  Don't care for Bill O'Brien
   Posted: 9/1/2012 6:28:58 PM 
I know he was probably pissed because his team lost.  And he probably was wrapped up in the emotions of the day.  And I know that this is his first head coaching job.  But I thought his post-game handshake with Solich was really short, and I don't recall him even saying anything to Coach.  His post-game comments to ESPN were about him needing to coach better and his team needing to play better. In the video on ESPN he even resembled Belichick.. 

Last Edited: 9/1/2012 6:32:11 PM by Pataskala


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  Message Not Read  RE: Don't care for Bill O'Brien
   Posted: 9/1/2012 6:38:36 PM 
That was interesting to watch, after having watching a few shots of him before the game.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Don't care for Bill O'Brien
   Posted: 9/1/2012 6:57:03 PM 
He comes across as a very unlikeable guy, almost like he's had things handed to him most of his life, and he doesn't deal well with adversity. Maybe that's not true, but he didn't handle himself well in this interview at all.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Don't care for Bill O'Brien
   Posted: 9/2/2012 12:19:42 AM 
He appears to be a disgusting human being. I wish him nothing but the worst!!!


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  Message Not Read  RE: Don't care for Bill O'Brien
   Posted: 9/2/2012 12:58:34 AM 
It's one thing to be the gruff, one-game-at-a-time, short with the media, alpha male ball coach. It's another thing entirely to just be a flat out jerk during your first post-game press conference after the most upsetting scandal in the history of North American sports.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Don't care for Bill O'Brien
   Posted: 9/2/2012 2:06:32 AM 
My question:  what did you folks expect from a guy who made his living from coaching the New England Patriots?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Don't care for Bill O'Brien
   Posted: 9/2/2012 10:09:19 AM 
LoganElm_grad09 wrote:
My question:  what did you folks expect from a guy who made his living from coaching the New England Patriots?


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  Message Not Read  RE: Don't care for Bill O'Brien
   Posted: 9/2/2012 10:48:08 AM 
Ok. This may be the single worst overanalysis ever on this board.

What are you looking for? A warm embrace, kisses on the cheek? The dude just lost and the implications on o'brien's job are pretty big. Plus, he was out coached from halftime on...obviously.

Beyond this...no coach is trying to make friends after a game. As a high school coach, I can attest that even coaching the most minor of events, I find it difficult to be chummy with the other coaches at a meet or game even though I'm pretty good friends with them away from the sport.

Competitors are pricks when they compete. Get over it.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Don't care for Bill O'Brien
   Posted: 9/2/2012 10:55:31 AM 
medler wrote:
Ok. This may be the single worst overanalysis ever on this board.

What are you looking for? A warm embrace, kisses on the cheek? The dude just lost and the implications on o'brien's job are pretty big. Plus, he was out coached from halftime on...obviously.

Beyond this...no coach is trying to make friends after a game. As a high school coach, I can attest that even coaching the most minor of events, I find it difficult to be chummy with the other coaches at a meet or game even though I'm pretty good friends with them away from the sport.

Competitors are pricks when they compete. Get over it.

Solid analysis, but all I am thinking is pipeline.  


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  Message Not Read  RE: Don't care for Bill O'Brien
   Posted: 9/2/2012 11:37:07 AM 
O'Brien is nothing but a piece of crap. I find him extremely ugly. He emits a foul and unpleasant odor. I loathe him.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Don't care for Bill O'Brien
   Posted: 9/2/2012 11:49:27 AM 
medler wrote:


Competitors are pricks when they compete. Get over it.


Please. You're the only competitor on this board? Get over it.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Don't care for Bill O'Brien
   Posted: 9/2/2012 12:02:16 PM 
Robert Fox wrote:
medler wrote:


Competitors are pricks when they compete. Get over it.


Please. You're the only competitor on this board? Get over it.


Do you want to meet me at the football field after school? 

We won...in many eyes it was an upset. Now we're pissed because O'Brien doesn't fawn and act like a cool dude?

I hope he's pissed. I hope he couldn't sleep last night. He was beaten by superior team and coach. The fact he was quick to shake hands and to answer questions of the press means that...well...our boys did their job. Better than he and his boys did their jobs.

That's what I call a complete victory.

 

Last Edited: 9/2/2012 12:05:01 PM by medler


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  Message Not Read  RE: Don't care for Bill O'Brien
   Posted: 9/2/2012 12:18:04 PM 
medler wrote:
Robert Fox wrote:
medler wrote:


Competitors are pricks when they compete. Get over it.


Please. You're the only competitor on this board? Get over it.


Do you want to meet me at the football field after school? 

We won...in many eyes it was an upset. Now we're pissed because O'Brien doesn't fawn and act like a cool dude?

I hope he's pissed. I hope he couldn't sleep last night. He was beaten by superior team and coach. The fact he was quick to shake hands and to answer questions of the press means that...well...our boys did their job. Better than he and his boys did their jobs.

That's what I call a complete victory.

 


LOL! Actually, I agree with your point that he's not going to be happy and certainly he's pissed. However, part of his job is to represent his team and his school. He's a HIGHLY paid professional. He should understand the need to address the public with some sort of professional demeanor. It should also serve as a lesson to his players that his collected attitude exemplifies what is expected from each of them, win or lose.

I don't expect him to fawn over us. But he should be able to muster some level of graciousness in defeat. There are too many examples of high quality coaches who can. Bill O'Brien is not special enough to act like an ass on national TV and get away with it for long. I would be very unhappy if Frank Solich acted like that in defeat.

Just my opinion.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Don't care for Bill O'Brien
   Posted: 9/2/2012 12:21:17 PM 
He came off as an arrogant ass the week before the game. I didn't like him before I even packed up the van and drove to State College. He didn't say it, but his tone said they were not impressed with Ohio's team, even after getting punched in the mouth the last 3 quarters of the game. We were stronger, faster, smarter and better than them. Our coaches made better adjustments and Ohio had the swagger. You can not like losing and still admit you were solidly beaten by a better opponent. In the end, who cares about him? Our record this season wont have an asterisk beside it stating Bill O'Brien wasn't complimentary. It will just have a "W" for week 1.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Don't care for Bill O'Brien
   Posted: 9/2/2012 12:43:31 PM 
Robert Fox wrote:
... part of his job is to represent his team and his school. He's a HIGHLY paid professional. He should understand the need to address the public with some sort of professional demeanor. It should also serve as a lesson to his players that his collected attitude exemplifies what is expected from each of them, win or lose.
...

Exactly. Besides being a coach, he's a lot of other things, including the face of the program, a role model for players, and a recruiter. I'm not sure that his behavior enhanced any of those roles.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Don't care for Bill O'Brien
   Posted: 9/2/2012 3:15:52 PM 
He's supposed to be professional enough to show some class in losing.  You don't need to be chummy with the opposing coach, but you should at least shake hands and congratulate him (or her).  O'Brien stuck his hand and was walking away before Solich even had a chance to grab it.  Not a word.  I've only seen that when there's some kind of animosity between the coaches.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Don't care for Bill O'Brien
   Posted: 9/2/2012 4:31:23 PM 
Pataskala wrote:
He's supposed to be professional enough to show some class in losing.  You don't need to be chummy with the opposing coach, but you should at least shake hands and congratulate him (or her).  O'Brien stuck his hand and was walking away before Solich even had a chance to grab it.  Not a word.  I've only seen that when there's some kind of animosity between the coaches.


My thoughts exactly. I doubt that the PSU administration are thrilled that their new HC can't handle being defeated by a "lowly" MAC team. How will he handle it when a conference foe beats them by 40+ (and it will happen)? For a new HC facing an uphill battle with sanctions, you would think he would at least show some respect to the opposing HC and team. Recruiting will be tough enough, but being an ass won't help. His "I'll take my ball and go home" attitude won't cut it with the true fans that are the only fans that will stick with the team for the next 4-6 years.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Don't care for Bill O'Brien
   Posted: 9/2/2012 5:46:40 PM 
After everything they've been through, I can't BELIEVE they would hire such an ass. 

I mean, sure its not like they had their pick of the litter, but they could have found someone with some class. Shouldn't that have been, like the #1 attribute they'd be looking for as they rebound from the worst scandal in college football/sports history? Instead they hire this arrogant jerk. I'll be anxiously awaiting his demise.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Don't care for Bill O'Brien
   Posted: 9/2/2012 10:48:13 PM 
I guess I'm in the minority...but I actually have been impressed with O'Brien since he was hired.  I was impressed with him at the Big 10 media day.  I will admit that the handshake with Coach Solich was weird.  He should have taken more time with him.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Don't care for Bill O'Brien
   Posted: 9/2/2012 11:32:16 PM 
I didn't see any problem with the handshake. They had a good handshake and said a few words. What was supposed to happen there, exactly? what happens after the game usually depends on how well the coaches may already know each other. Were they supposed to hug? Is Frank Solich huggable?

I'm kidding. We all know Frank is huggable. But seriously, what were you expecting?
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   Posted: 9/3/2012 7:09:39 AM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
I guess I'm in the minority...but I actually have been impressed with O'Brien since he was hired.  I was impressed with him at the Big 10 media day.  I will admit that the handshake with Coach Solich was weird.  He should have taken more time with him.


With you here.  He had just been outcoached and I suspect he knew it.  There really was nothing to say between these two. 


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  Message Not Read  RE: Don't care for Bill O'Brien
   Posted: 9/3/2012 12:47:23 PM 
L.C. wrote:
Robert Fox wrote:
... part of his job is to represent his team and his school. He's a HIGHLY paid professional. He should understand the need to address the public with some sort of professional demeanor. It should also serve as a lesson to his players that his collected attitude exemplifies what is expected from each of them, win or lose.
...

Exactly. Besides being a coach, he's a lot of other things, including the face of the program, a role model for players, and a recruiter. I'm not sure that his behavior enhanced any of those roles.


I couldn't agree more LC...I posted this on the PSU Fan thread but obviously should have here...

" Really glad to hear all these positive experiences with the Penn State fans.  This is one of the reasons I don't think O'Brien is the long term solution there.  He doesn't fit in general much less when you're trying to emerge from under sensitive circumstances like these.

Between his comments during the prep meetings caught on camera, the way he handled commenting on the transfers and the way he handled the post game handshake and presser, I really don't think he's the face Penn State needs... "

Beyond how we felt about the way he handled himself in this particular game...My comments are more directed at how he fits in regards to what Penn State needs right now...


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   Posted: 9/3/2012 3:13:29 PM 
Penn State fan here, I came across your website when I was looking for insight into how your playcalling method works(the guys with the blue or red armsleaves, and the posterboard with the logos on it).  Well played game on Saturday, you earned the victory, best of luck this year.

However, I also saw this post and it reminded me of all that is wrong with message boards.

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  Message Not Read   RE: Don't care for Bill O'Brien
   Posted: 9/1/2012 6:57:03 PM 
He comes across as a very unlikeable guy, almost like he's had things handed to him most of his life, and he doesn't deal well with adversity. Maybe that's not true, but he didn't handle himself well in this interview at all.

No offense to long time poster Robert Fox, but when the shoe fits, well.

"''and he doesn't deal well with adversity..."

if Mr Fox took 2 seconds to google Bill O'Brien, he would have found one of numerous stories about Jack O'Brien, their special needs son.  Here's the intro from the Sporting News:

STATE COLLEGE, Pa.—The episodes come so often and so random, are so mind-numbing in their frequency, there’s never really an opportunity to reflect on the sheer terror of it all.

Multiple times every day, Jack O’Brien stops breathing.

When Bill O’Brien and Colleen O’Brien found out that their second son, Michael, did not have the same neurological disorder as their first-born, they were so grateful and relieved. (AP Photo)

“I’m always waiting,” Colleen O’Brien says. “Please take that breath. Take that breath.”

A breath of life, a breath of perspective.

“People ask me about pressure in this job,” says Bill O’Brien, Penn State’s new coach. “Really? Pressure?”

Here is Bill O’Brien’s view of pressure: His son, Jack, is 10 years old and has the rare neurological disorder Lissencephaly. He can’t walk or talk, can’t feed himself, can’t do things typical boys can do.

And he has seizures, sometimes 10 a day, and as many as thousands a year. From episodes that last seconds, to those that last minutes. All feel like hours, and every single one takes another piece of he and his wife Colleen’s punctured souls while they wait for their son—rigid and non-responsive—to eventually emerge from the place only he knows.



I only hope that the adversity you face in life, Mr Fox, is nothing like the adversity that Bill O'Brien faces.  The next time you spout your mouth off, perhaps you should take a second to think about what you write.
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   Posted: 9/3/2012 3:41:54 PM 
sorry King, but if you think someone saying that your coach "comes across as a very unlikeable guy" and he "didn't handle himself well in the interview at all" is THE example of what's wrong with message boards then let me help you out before you get yourself hurt-

STEP BACK FROM THE COMPUTER AND RUN AWAY FROM THE INTERNETS IMMEDIATELY.

C'mon man, you may not agree with the opinion but it wasn't stated with malice or vitriol. Are you thin skinned or just overly sanctimonious? If I thought you could handle it I would suggest that you visit your own school's message boards to see some real fine rhetoric. And I challenge you to search this site to find ANY comments that are rude or distasteful regarding the tragedy that occurred in Happy Valley.

We're glad to have you hear and welcome your thoughts and opinions, even if they may differ, but please spare us with this phony, self-righteous indignation nonsense just because someone dared to say that your coach can appear to be less than pleasant at times.

Welcome and best of the luck the rest of the season, I'll be rooting for PSU.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Don't care for Bill O'Brien
   Posted: 9/3/2012 3:42:33 PM 
In fairness to Robert Fox he did say "it's almost like" O'Brien doesn't deal well with adversity, and followed his statement with "maybe that's not true."  Those qualifiers were there for a reason.

Having said that, thanks for the post.  I was turned off by O'Brien for similar reasons expressed in this thread, but knowing he struggles with this situation at home definitely changes my conception of the man.  Just my personal opinion, he's got some learning to do as an HC...but maybe he'll develop into a great one.  Best of luck with the rest of the season.
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