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Kinggeorge4
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New Bowl Game?

Posted: 9/26/2012 10:20:24 AM

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/dennis-dodd/20364091/seventh-playoff-bowl-to-accommodate-big-east,-others-to-be-worth-$20-million

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RE: New Bowl Game?

Posted: 9/26/2012 10:51:27 AM

Kinggeorge4 (George Cheripko) wrote:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/dennis-dodd/20364091/seventh-playoff-bowl-to-accommodate-big-east,-others-to-be-worth-$20-million

It's great and all that this bowl may come about and give some non-AQ schools the chance to play in a big time bowl game, but wouldn't the creation of this bowl effectively end any shot that a non-AQ has at playing for the NC? The BCS wanted no part to putting undefeated non-AQ's in Boise and TCU against top level teams from BCS conferences, so they managed to find a way to have them play each other.

This bowl would essentially be relegating any non-AQ to playing the Big-East champ or the lowest ranked at-large team. Without a true playoff system a non-AQ will never have a shot anyway, but it seems like this bowl would just give them a place to stick the non-AQ's that might actually deserve a shot.

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RE: New Bowl Game?

Posted: 9/26/2012 10:58:40 AM

This is good for us. It would essentially guarentee us a big money bowl as long as were the highest ranked non-AQ team and give us the oppurtunity to play a good "power conference" school. I don't see any scenario with us playing in the MAC getting into the National Semi-finals. We'll have to settle for this I suppose, which is better than nothing.

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RE: New Bowl Game?

Posted: 9/26/2012 11:57:02 AM

Gives you something more to shoot for, realistically, than the Pizza Bowl. The whole setup isn't "right" yet, but at least it is moving forward and not back.

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RE: New Bowl Game?

Posted: 9/26/2012 1:02:01 PM

anorris wrote:

Gives you something more to shoot for, realistically, than the Pizza Bowl. The whole setup isn't "right" yet, but at least it is moving forward and not back.

$20 million is a lot better than a couple hundred grand, I agree here.

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RE: New Bowl Game?

Posted: 9/26/2012 6:43:19 PM

This is definitely an interesting concept to ponder over...

On the one hand, you have a 7th major bowl that factors in the best of the non-AQ schools, which gives the "mid-majors" some major national publicity and some good money.

On the other hand, it's almost degrading, in a way, to the non-AQ conferences...like we aren't good enough to play with the big-boys. Granted, yes, 9 out of 10 times we would likely get beaten in a BCS bowl...but on the off-chance that we bring our A-game and win? Why shouldn't a "mid-major" be considered for the National Championship?

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RE: New Bowl Game?

Posted: 9/26/2012 8:00:39 PM

I like this. Only way we get up to top 4 is if we become Boise. Only way that happens is if we win out this year and probably do the same next year, effectively getting us to the point where OUr good years we will be ranked from the start.

Last Edited: 9/26/2012 8:01:15 PM by The Optimist

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RE: New Bowl Game?

Posted: 9/26/2012 10:39:15 PM

I hate this.

Think of it this way...

There will now be a bunch of teams playing for.... nothing.

There is no path from this bowl to the "4-way playoff".

It doesn't matter what you call it; it's still an also-ran bowl game at best, that ?5? conferences are trying to put ONE team into... So your odds as a Non-AQ are ZERO for a national championship, and they're 1 in 60 of being the team that makes it to this game, that really will have no appeal to anyone other than your existing alumni base.

This is, frankly, a terrible idea. I think it's a bone being tossed from the big 5 conferences to the smaller conferences to remove a potential lawsuit about anti-trust behavior.

-john

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RE: New Bowl Game?

Posted: 9/26/2012 10:59:38 PM

Nash'Cat wrote:

On the other hand, it's almost degrading,

This guy gets it...

I'm sure this bowl game is straight from the BCS's lawyers' playbook...

[EDIT] Just like oucs 1986 above me said... he knows the score too!

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Last Edited: 9/26/2012 11:14:13 PM by First Street Forever

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RE: New Bowl Game?

Posted: 9/26/2012 11:08:56 PM

Did any of you guys think we had a chance of anyone allowing us into the BCS Championship as it is now?

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RE: New Bowl Game?

Posted: 9/27/2012 12:00:11 AM

next year we open at Lville then host N Texas, Marshall and an FCS. Start 1-0 and 2013 looks very favorable.

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RE: New Bowl Game?

Posted: 9/27/2012 12:29:42 AM

oucs 1986 wrote:

So what path, exactly, do you see leading from "well, they're either #12 or #13...should they go to the godaddy.com bowl to face Louisiana Tech or should they go to the Fiesta bowl to play 7-6 temple" to "yeah, they should be one of the 4 teams that play for the [national football coach's association] national championship trophy"? Regardless what format you're talking about, post 2014 you're going to have to be in the top4 to play for it all (top2 currently). Doesn't matter whether there is a "big money" bowl for you or not, if you're not in the top4 you're not playing for it all. Think it'd be frustrating to be a 13-0 OHIO (or generic MAC team, or CUSA team, or Boise, or TCU) and not be considered for the national title game? How about being an undefeated member of an AQ league this year (say Louisville or Cincinnati, or Minnesota or Northwestern) and having less a chance of playing for the national title than a one loss Boise State?

This game offers automatic big-money access (potentially, depending on how its negotiated) to a team that is going to not be in the National title hunt under any system under discussion for implementation in the near future, as opposed to...no revenue sharing with the non-PAC12/Big10/Big12/SEC/ACC conferences (note, the BigLeast isn't on that list) under the "null hypothesis" as it stands now.

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RE: New Bowl Game?

Posted: 9/27/2012 9:17:48 AM

I don't know how anyone can complain about this bowl game if they add it. Especially if say this year we go undefeated and rank 17th in the nation. Means no BCS game, just a bowl game in Detroit or Mobile that might just pay our expenses and we would be playing a .500 Big Ten team or one of the top C-USA teams. With this new bowl we would more than likely play a ranked BCS team, which if we then won would more than likely set us up to be ranked the next year and thus give an easier path to a higher BCS ranking. Also the money in this game is like 20 times what we would earn from the best paying bowl we ever went to. Way more positives than negatives here, the reality is no matter how many times we go undefeated in the MAC the possibility we could make the 4-team playoff would be very slim. As stated before we would have to become like Boise and play a non-conf like them and still go undefeated, not a simple task. I am more than happy to take an carrot I can get at this point if I am a non-AQ trying to build my program into a team to be respected.

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RE: New Bowl Game?

Posted: 9/27/2012 9:52:18 AM

sargentfan wrote:

Actually, the Mobile game would be vs. a Sun Belt team, likely either La-Monroe or West KY. Both have knocked off SEC teams this year and would be considered a marquee non-AQ matchup and draw considerable national interest, especially since it would be the only football game on TV that night.

The additional bowl they're contemplating may be a bone they're throwing to the non-AQs, but I see it as the camel's nose under the tent for future playoff expansion.

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RE: New Bowl Game?

Posted: 9/27/2012 4:40:43 PM

mf279801 wrote:

oucs 1986 wrote:

This is, frankly, a terrible idea. I think it's a bone being tossed from the big 5 conferences to the smaller conferences to remove a potential lawsuit about anti-trust behavior.

This is soap box material.

The truth is, I think the Presidents of all the non-AQ BCS conferences, and, as we move forward, the Big East, should enter into a lawsuit against the NCAA for anti-trust violations.

Either we're BCS, or we're not. Either we're Division 1, with all the rights and privleges thereof, or we're not.

As a member school of the NCAA, we are not being treated equally. We have all the same expenses, same regulatory requirements, same membership status as Ohio State... and yet, some schools remain "more equal than others".

I do not see this being resolved without a lawsuit. This lawsuit may result in the creation of further divisions of football; It might result in a reclassification of Ohio to Division 1.5 or some other nomenclature. It might result in the breakup of the NCAA entirely. I doubt it, though. March Madness brings in entirely too much revenue for the bigger schools to take their ball and go home.

But I think history shows clear damage, and that the NCAA did not act in good faith on behalf of all it's member institutions.

If we accept this new bowl game, it weakens our case that we don't have "Equal Access". And honestly, the fix is simple. Instead of a 4 team play off, expand the field to the conference champion of each FBS conference, and the next 4 slots would go to the highest rated (use whatever method you want) team that did not win its conference. This would be a field of 16.

Play the tournament the last 2 weeks in December and finish the tournament up in early January. You'll be down to the last 4 teams for January, and the TV revenue will be GIGANTIC.

The often heard argument against this is the travel expense... Do hotels and travel costs go away for the basketball tournaments? Somehow those all get attended just fine.

The never spoken aloud argument against this is: it would leave a LOT of "big time" schools out of the tournament, and they want their money. Plain and simple, they want their money, and they don't want to share it with you.

But I think the member institution presidents are not fulfilling their fiduciary duties by accepting the current system. It's got to end.

And, honestly, I think we're seeing it implode right now, before our very eyes. Greed is behind all of the conference re-alignment, and it's going to come to a head.

As much as the Big Ten thinks they don't need the MAC, and that the MAC isn't in any way comparable, they sure lean on the MAC an awful lot when it comes to scheduling. It's harder to keep the Alumni/Booster base happy with a winning season, year in and year out, if you actually have to play schools that are your equal for all 12 games.

Ask Arkansas if they feel like they'll have a "successful" season. They were ranked 10th in the preseason AP poll...

-john

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