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A flag is thrown for unsportsman like conduct/excessive celebration and the call is reviewed in the booth. The booth confirms the ruling on the field that the flip was a foul,  but they say the penalty occurred after the play was dead (ball crossed the plane of the end zone)   www.youtube.com/watch In this recap video you can see the flip at 2:31. Clearly the runner begins his leap around the 4 yard line and as the ball breaks the plane his ankles are above his shoulders. How can that be ruled a penalty, but not be ruled a penalty until after the ball breaks the plane? Am I understanding this rule right, should that not have been called back? MY STATE. MY TEAM. Back to Top Bobcat110 General User Member Since: 3/5/2005 Location: Mount Gilead, OH Post Count: 708 Status: Offline     RE: Front flip penalty    Posted: 9/30/2012 8:15:03 AM  Seemed more like a somersault, but I'm glad they didn't take the TD away.  It's a stupid rule.  I would not like winning the game and having everyone bringing up the TD called back. Back to Top Bobcatbob General User Member Since: 12/21/2004 Location: Coolville, OH Post Count: 1,347 Status: Offline     RE: Front flip penalty    Posted: 9/30/2012 8:31:20 AM  Bobcat110 wrote: Seemed more like a somersault, but I'm glad they didn't take the TD away.  It's a stupid rule.  I would not like winning the game and having everyone bringing up the TD called back. OK, but it's a rule and everyone on both teams (except this clown) knows that.  I think I could live with the "shame" of winning on a call I didnt agree with.   Ask Pete Carroll how he deals with it. Back to Top Shawn Sellers General User Member Since: 1/4/2005 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 221 Status: Offline     RE: Front flip penalty    Posted: 9/30/2012 8:49:00 AM  perimeterpost wrote: With less than 3 1/2 minutes left in the 4th quarter and Ohio up on UMass by 10 a UMass player scores a touchdown by doing a front flip into the end zone. A flag is thrown for unsportsman like conduct/excessive celebration and the call is reviewed in the booth. The booth confirms the ruling on the field that the flip was a foul,  but they say the penalty occurred after the play was dead (ball crossed the plane of the end zone)   www.youtube.com/watch In this recap video you can see the flip at 2:31. Clearly the runner begins his leap around the 4 yard line and as the ball breaks the plane his ankles are above his shoulders. How can that be ruled a penalty, but not be ruled a penalty until after the ball breaks the plane? Am I understanding this rule right, should that not have been called back? The call on the field was a dead ball foul and the ruling on the field was not confirmed by the booth, they said the call stood. That means there was not conclusive video evidence to confirm that the penalty occurred while still a live ball. It's hard to tell when the ball crosses the front of the goal line, as he stretches the ball out, and then pulls it back to start his flip. Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,497 Status: Offline     RE: Front flip penalty    Posted: 9/30/2012 9:08:08 AM  I agree with  you - he started the somersault when he left the ground at the 4 yard line. It wasn't something he started after the ball crossed the plane. The call was probably wrong, but at this  point its water under the bridge. Shawn Sellers wrote: ... It's hard to tell when the ball crosses the front of the goal line, as he stretches the ball out, and then pulls it back to start his flip. The thing is, that's not how it works. You can't leave the ground, to dive, and suddenly, in mid-air, change your mind and decide to turn it into a flip - it's too late by that point. The entire dive was intended to be a flip from the moment he left the ground, and you can tell that because, as pointed out in the original post, but the time he stretched the ball out for the goal line, his feet were already higher than his head, and rising. Edit - fixed typo Last Edited: 9/30/2012 1:11:36 PM by L.C. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,364 Status: Offline     RE: Front flip penalty    Posted: 9/30/2012 9:46:59 AM  The fact that there's an Ohio player closing in from the left may have had something to do with the call.  He was entitled to leap to avoid the tackle but not do the flip in the end zone.  It's warped logic because either he meant to do the flip from the start or he didn't.  The TD should've been nullified and UMass should've had the ball around the 16 or 17.  Whether or not you agree with the rule, it's still the rule. We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top anorris General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Location: Bristol, CT Post Count: 2,262 Status: Offline     RE: Front flip penalty    Posted: 9/30/2012 10:05:01 AM  Whether you agree with the rule or not, if it is on the books it ought to be enforced. The TD should have been called back, period. Reminded me of the Miami player who let go of the ball at the one a couple years ago in Oxford and it tumbled through the back of the end zone (except they got the call right). Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,597 Status: Offline     RE: Front flip penalty    Posted: 9/30/2012 10:12:50 AM  I am glad they never T'd up Jeremy Fears. I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Front flip penalty    Posted: 9/30/2012 12:48:22 PM  Who gives a flip about the flip.  Now if you want to discuss Ohio defenders slipping and falling, getting juked around all day, and missing a ton of tackles..then we have a worthy conversation. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,497 Status: Offline     RE: Front flip penalty    Posted: 9/30/2012 1:14:08 PM  Monroe we don't care about the flip - we are just pointing out that the referees did not get the call correctly according to the rules. Whether you agree with the rule is totally another thing. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top Deciduous Forest Cat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Ohio Post Count: 4,470 Status: Offline     RE: Front flip penalty    Posted: 9/30/2012 2:22:13 PM  Maybe it was just karma after Harden's unnecessary dive into the endzone last year against Temple, although defenders were close enough to warrant picking up the flag. Last Edited: 9/30/2012 2:22:51 PM by Deciduous Forest Cat Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Front flip penalty    Posted: 9/30/2012 3:39:13 PM  Understood, L.C.  My interest is just more in the things that we can control (to some extent). Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,497 Status: Offline     RE: Front flip penalty    Posted: 9/30/2012 4:17:05 PM  FWIW, the kid who did it acknowledged after the game that it was stupid, that he shouldn't have done it, and that it would never happen again. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: Front flip penalty    Posted: 10/1/2012 2:37:23 PM  anorris wrote: Whether you agree with the rule or not, if it is on the books it ought to be enforced. The TD should have been called back, period. I have absolutely no problem with them not making the call in that situation.   It's a complete  CS rule.  I have no problem with a penalty being called but taking a score away is ridiculous.  Yes, by the letter of the law it should have been taken off the board but if we are going to start calling everything by the letter of the law there would be holding on every single play.   I have a feeling that if it were called against us the feeling of this board would be considerably different than it is now. Back to Top C Money General User Member Since: 8/28/2010 Post Count: 3,420 Status: Offline     RE: Front flip penalty    Posted: 10/1/2012 4:35:41 PM  L.C. wrote: FWIW, the kid who did it acknowledged after the game that it was stupid, that he shouldn't have done it, and that it would never happen again. I have it on good authority that orders to be at the stadium at 6 AM to run steps will generally change a player's attitude, but that a swift and unequivocal apology sometimes avoids the necessity of punitive conditioning. Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,497 Status: Offline     RE: Front flip penalty    Posted: 10/1/2012 5:26:12 PM  ..or at least reduces the amounts of it. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top Showing Replies:   1 - 16  of 16 Posts Jump to Page:   1 View Other 'Ohio Football' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 253 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 252 Guests 1 Registered User:   Rufus11 There are no other users looking at this page.

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