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Topic: This is How We Greet Success?

Topic: This is How We Greet Success?

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Bobcat36
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This is How We Greet Success?

Posted: 10/1/2012 11:49:11 AM

Wow...

I'm honestly at a loss to even address some of the sentiments thrown up on this board sine the conclusion of the UMass game.

We're 5-0 for the first time in 40+ years and we're chucking OUr program under the bus?

We're knocking on the door of a top 25 ranking and we're throwing a tantrum about a close win against a conference opponent?

We're patching things together to get through injuries and we're criticizing our young players that put more into this team on a daily basis than any of us do in an entire season?

I'm embarrassed by some of the things I've read.

Bobcats...Great win fellas...Get well...Most of Bobcat Nation is PROUD of you...We'll be there waiting for you in Peden on Saturday..Go Ohio!!!!!

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RE: This is How We Greet Success?

Posted: 10/1/2012 12:09:17 PM

I'm not sure what you're embarrassed about since you don't give specifics, but there are obvious problems that need to be addressed. The secondary got shredded Saturday, which is a big concern as the season goes along. The defense is 106th in the red zone, giving up a score 92% of the time. It's also 101st in 3rd down percentage, giving up a first down 48% of the time. And there's the ongoing special teams problem with blocking on FGs and punts. These are things that need to be corrected in order to have the special year we're all hoping for. To be sure, this team has also done some great things on both sides of the ball that have been recognized elsewhere, too. I think key among them is 5th in the nation in turnover margin (+11). That was huge three years ago when the team won the East. But we can't ignore the problems. I'm sure the coaches aren't.

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RE: This is How We Greet Success?

Posted: 10/1/2012 12:41:47 PM

Pataskala wrote:

Honestly, I believe our role is to show up, wear green & white, and cheer ourselves hoarse...either at the game or in front of our TVs, radios and PCs. Either way, there is little we can do in the way of coaching the team . I have faith that Frank and his coaching staff will take care of the rest!

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sargentfan
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RE: This is How We Greet Success?

Posted: 10/1/2012 12:46:07 PM

Yeah I don't understand what you are complaining about, as fans we will always complain about how our team plays no matter how they are doing. If the secondary is playing like crap we are going to talk about it, if the offense seems to have a problem showing up in th 1st Quarter we are going to talk about it. I don't think there is one person unhappy about getting a win and being 5-0 but we can be unhappy by the performance.

Oh and you reference how we are almost breaking into the top 25, this close win to UMass actually pushed backed our progress on that goal a little bit, just saying.

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RE: This is How We Greet Success?

Posted: 10/1/2012 1:14:54 PM

sargentfan wrote:

What's embarrassing is how entitled many of us seem to have become and that they've gotten there pretty rapidly. There are ways to make observations and sound educated, Those that miss the mark are the ones that bother me. You can be a fan, have an opinion and still support your team and those that make it possible to sit in the stands and root for your colors. I'm the first one to talk about policing your own fan base so I exercised my right to comment as well.

I find it ironic that 2 of the first 3 responses are ruffled by the fact that I would make such observations but support the right to criticize the performance of our student athletes that dedicate themselves to the program and the university.

If the secondary is "playing like crap" it could be due to a multitude of reasons (injuries, youth, scheme) many of which we as fans have no insight into. Would those that cast those aspersions welcome those same types of comments stated in the same fashion if directed at their performance in the work place? I doubt it...

Yes I'm aware that the close win lost us a few votes...I'm also aware that breaking into the rankings is an inevitability if we remain undefeated (which thus far we have). When I used the phrase "knocking on the door" I meant it in the context of a season.

Obviously, anyone has the right to put their rants in writing...Conversely, I have the same right to do so in response...

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RE: This is How We Greet Success?

Posted: 10/1/2012 1:19:15 PM

Did a bunch of posts get deleted or something? I don't see the meltdown.

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RE: This is How We Greet Success?

Posted: 10/1/2012 1:39:07 PM

36, I am not "ruffled" by your comments, only confused why you seem to be against any criticism of the team's play. The stated purpose of this board is to "Talk about the past, present and future of Ohio football here." The present, while very, very good, still has some deep problems that may cost us games down the road. If you want to be an ostrich, that's fine -- that's your right. But others have a right to discuss the improvements that need to be made. You may disagree with the tone of their criticism and take them to task for it. But don't try to squelch all criticism on this board. This is Ohio, not Stepford.

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Bobcat36
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RE: This is How We Greet Success?

Posted: 10/1/2012 2:00:20 PM

Brian Smith wrote:

Did a bunch of posts get deleted or something? I don't see the meltdown.

Do I sound spoiled?
Defense?
Official Game Thread

I'm not going to call out specific posts but they're not hard to find. Again though...Just exercising my right to comment as well and pointing it out when we start to sound like A&M fans...

It's not hard to remember the day Thomas Boeh sent out an open letter to Ohio Football fans. It's also not hard to remember that you knew as you were reading it that it was worth exactly nothing.

It's frustrating to me when bloggers from opposing fan sites seem to have more appreciation for our position than some of our own fans do...

http://www.ubbullrun.com/2012/10/1/3438126/game-week-ohio

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Last Edited: 10/1/2012 2:11:29 PM by Bobcat36

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RE: This is How We Greet Success?

Posted: 10/1/2012 2:00:22 PM

The term fan is short for fanatic. That tells you all you need to know. Even in the highs and lows, there will be criticisms. It's been two days since the game, whatever "meltdown" or non-support has occured on this board will go away by Wednesday or Thursday. There is a reason why people call it "Overreaction Monday." We got the W, people are happy we are 5-0, but the expectations are for more than 5-0 so there will be concerns.

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RE: This is How We Greet Success?

Posted: 10/1/2012 2:01:55 PM

Pataskala wrote:

Bobcat36 wrote:

There are ways to make observations and sound educated, Those that miss the mark are the ones that bother me.

Last Edited: 10/1/2012 2:24:04 PM by Bobcat36

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RE: This is How We Greet Success?

Posted: 10/1/2012 2:07:39 PM

Bobcat36 wrote:

Pataskala wrote:

"There are ways to make observations and sound educated, Those that miss the mark are the ones that bother me."

The ones you speak of are the minority of the board. Every fan base has their clown in the nose bleeds who doesn't know what he's talking about. Just ignore it.

Bobcat36
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RE: This is How We Greet Success?

Posted: 10/1/2012 2:21:52 PM

Pataskala wrote:

I'm not an ostrich...Far from it. I'm a loyalist. Absolutely others have the right to discuss improvements that have to be made. I do though, disagree with the tone of some of the criticism and that's exactly what I've commented on. I certainly understand the purpose of a board such as this is to facilitate just that sort of discussion. That does not mean however, that I should stand by and not make my own opinions known. As you've pointed out...It's not Stepford.

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RE: This is How We Greet Success?

Posted: 10/1/2012 2:24:54 PM

Bobcat36 wrote:

Brian Smith wrote:

Did a bunch of posts get deleted or something? I don't see the meltdown.

please. that same blogger you quote listed Ohio as #2 behind Toledo in his power rankings this week because we didn't win big enough against UMass. That's not "appreciation for our position". Toledo has beat Wyoming(1-3), BGSU, and WMU without Carder at QB. PSU and Marshall are both better wins than any of those, AND we didn't lose a game like Toledo did either.

so we don't mess up going forward, can you tell us what the proper scenario is or when the proper date is that we can be slightly critical of our team's performance again? I don't want to seem ungrateful.

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LoganElm_grad09
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RE: This is How We Greet Success?

Posted: 10/1/2012 2:31:12 PM

We have seen a few comments that were knee-jerky or sometimes wrong. Heck, I know that I have posted sometimes without thinking (and I have made some dumb ones.)

Our fanbase, even in our worst moments, are parsecs ahead of Ohio State fans.

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RE: This is How We Greet Success?

Posted: 10/1/2012 2:56:42 PM

perimeterpost wrote:

Bobcat36 wrote:

Brian Smith wrote:

Did a bunch of posts get deleted or something? I don't see the meltdown.

Again the irony is astonishing...It's OK to bash our own but not OK to stand up for the team you're supposed to be loyal to?

For about the 5th time in this thread alone...I'm not saying no one "can be slightly critical". Open discussion about performance is obviously the essence of a fan site. If you weren't offended by some of the knee jerk comments then so be it...Carry on. Again...Just exercising the same right you're standing up for.

And for crying out loud...I'm not saying the guy is a model Ohio fan...He's obviously not going to be...But he at least has the sense to see the bigger picture...

"The patience, and skill with which their coach has nurtured the football culture has begun to pay huge dividends both on the field and in the stands."

Last Edited: 10/1/2012 2:59:11 PM by Bobcat36

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RE: This is How We Greet Success?

Posted: 10/1/2012 2:58:03 PM

LoganElm_grad09 wrote:

Our fanbase, even in our worst moments, are parsecs ahead of Ohio State fans.

Couldn't agree more! Just trying to point out a slippery slope...

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RE: This is How We Greet Success?

Posted: 10/1/2012 3:40:47 PM

GoCats105 wrote:

I usually stay away from message boards for a couple of days after a bad game for this very reason. After wins we have equally as ridiculous mood swings (i.e. we've got a shot at going to the NC Game) but those are easier to take than the "World Ends in Two Days" posts.

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RE: This is How We Greet Success?

Posted: 10/1/2012 3:59:02 PM

OUVan wrote:

GoCats105 wrote:

Sage advice Van...I'll try that...

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RE: This is How We Greet Success?

Posted: 10/1/2012 4:10:42 PM

It's not as bad now as it was in 2005. I described the fan base as manic-depressive because they went to such emotional extremes after each game. Now there is some frustration, but no one is ready to concede the rest of the games just yet. I'm hoping that soon there will be more people returning from injury than there are new injuries, and then I think everyone will be more comfortable.

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RE: This is How We Greet Success?

Posted: 10/1/2012 6:09:34 PM

We barely beat the worst team in FBS and what was a middling FCS team. There is no reason to be satisfied about what happened on Saturday, other than we escaped with a win.

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RE: This is How We Greet Success?

Posted: 10/1/2012 8:54:32 PM

I would be thrilled if we won the rest of OUr games 37-34! Ha!

Go Big Bobcats!

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RE: This is How We Greet Success?

Posted: 10/1/2012 10:18:15 PM

This (BA) is a "Forum".

Most definitions define that generally as "A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged".

If critiques are not relevant, acceptable, worthy discussion points - then why even have it (BA)? We could all just check in w/OhioBobcats.Com on a daily basis - where "Rah, Rah Everything Here Is Is Just Dandy" is the only opinion expressed. Win, lose, or draw. Why even have a "forum"?

What this (BA) forum creates is an opportunity for even greater involvement, an opportunity for a richer experience with a community of similarly interested individuals, that allows for expression of a wide range of opinions from just purely statistical, to emotional, whether expressions of joy, disappointment, hope, and yes fear. Anyone expressing virtually any opinion on here I think is at the Very Least, Very Committed, likely even Very "Invested", from original/current investments in tuition/time etc. at the institution, and/or through an ongoing financial contribution to the institution/athletic program.

I do drink the "Green Kool-Aid" - Voluntarily....................

Last Edited: 10/1/2012 10:23:04 PM by RSBobcat

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RE: This is How We Greet Success?

Posted: 10/1/2012 10:25:33 PM

36, I normally agree with just about everything you have to say. Your letter to The Post last month was written exactly how I would have done it. However, I think you're misreading the fan base on this one.

I felt like we dodged a bullet in Huntington by slowing down Marshall's potent passing attack. In my eyes, Marshall was the biggest (and last) road block to a very special season. The injuries in our secondary are going to be a weakness for the entire year. Weller has been scoring a lot, but there is obviously something shaky going on for the special teams all year. And, Tettleton is obviously not 100% healthy. These are all facts, not baseless rumors.

I have felt all year that Ohio has the best shot in the country to run the table. I'm not mad at the players or pointing fingers at anyone for not blowing out an inferior opponent. For the first time all year I saw vulnerability in our team that might be exposed by other teams that are pass happy. The fan base is just nervous, not mad. I don't think sharing our concerns equates to a lack of faith in the coaches or players.

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RE: This is How We Greet Success?

Posted: 10/1/2012 11:45:32 PM

Bobcat36 wrote:

Top 25 ranking? Huh? In whose poll? Yours?

U Mass I believe is 0 - 5. Yes, we have a 5 - 0 record. Wanna analyze each game? Sorry, we have a long, long way to go to even hope for a top 25 ranking.

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RE: This is How We Greet Success?

Posted: 10/1/2012 11:49:45 PM

Bobcat36 wrote:

sargentfan wrote:

If the secondary is "playing like crap" it could be due to a multitude of reasons (injuries, youth, scheme) many of which we as fans have no insight into. Would those that cast those aspersions welcome those same types of comments stated in the same fashion if directed at their performance in the work place? I doubt it...

Yes I'm aware that the close win lost us a few votes...I'm also aware that breaking into the rankings is an inevitability if we remain undefeated (which thus far we have). When I used the phrase "knocking on the door" I meant it in the context of a season.

EVERY team has injuries. We can't hide behind such a weak excuse. Life (football) goes on. Deal with it or forget about a top 25 ranking.

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