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The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,497 Status: Offline     RE: A question about coaching philosophy    Posted: 10/30/2012 11:03:16 PM  It doesn't matter how you do it, you're not going to win all the close ones, and there are always going to be some that you could have won that you didn't. Unless there is something to be gained rehashing it, usually it's best to move on. In this case everyone wishes that the ball was thrown quickly, but it wasn't. It's over and done with. Now it's time to move on, and to focus on winning out, and that starts with EMU. There is very little chance that Miami wins out, so if the team had to lose one, its actually better than they lost to Miami (ugh) than to BG or Kent, who are the two teams that right now have the best chance of winning the East, but either will have to beat Ohio to do it. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top RSBobcat General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,437 Status: Offline     RE: A question about coaching philosophy    Posted: 10/30/2012 11:48:17 PM  "Rehashing" does have some benefits, for fans maybe theraputic, for players they call learning from mistakes "experience". RS Bobcat Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,762 Status: Offline     RE: A question about coaching philosophy    Posted: 10/31/2012 12:36:48 AM  Geesh . . . my question involved more than just the Miami Meltdown.  As I said it's something that I've observed over several years.  The most recent game just brought it back to forefront of my mind.  I may be totally off base in what I think I've understood of Frank's philosophy both in terms of what he says and how it appears to me to be put in practice.  I've never been on the playing end of football (except in sandlot games as a youth, with Todd Snyder one of my favorite targets), so I'm looking for the keener observations of those who actually know the game from the inside rather than from just a fan perspective. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Bobcatbob General User Member Since: 12/21/2004 Location: Coolville, OH Post Count: 1,347 Status: Offline     RE: A question about coaching philosophy    Posted: 10/31/2012 8:26:49 AM  Your observation may be perspective, as in 20-20 hindsight.  For example, there was a particular moment in Saturday's game when TT was clearly upset with the option call that was sent in from the sideline.  Gotta think that if he had the free rein that some of us thought he had, he would have audibled out of that call. No, I think the play on the field is closely controlled from the sidelines.  Can't miss those guys in pink shirts and red and gray arm warmers. (What's up with those color choices by the way?  Why not orange and purple or anything but scarlet and gray?) Back to Top LoganElm_grad09 General User Member Since: 9/9/2010 Location: South Bloomingville, OH Post Count: 934 Status: Offline     RE: A question about coaching philosophy    Posted: 10/31/2012 12:14:20 PM  The biggest key to success in coaching is to surround yourself with capable people.  If you micromanage everything, you are putting restraints on the potential talent that is available with assisstants and players.  If they have proven capable in the past of handling situations like these, you let them do what they do best.  Bowling Green, Temps, Potato Bowl, Marshall.  In hindsight, he should have pulled Tettleton aside and said "one look, then throw the ball where a defender can't get it, whether it's out of bounds or leading a reciever.  The human element won't allow it to be perfect, but coaches who micromanage can lose a game just as easy as a coach who lets his players and assisstants do their jobs. Back to Top Casper71 General User Member Since: 12/1/2006 Post Count: 3,090 Status: Offline     RE: A question about coaching philosophy    Posted: 10/31/2012 12:22:06 PM  I'm not sure this answers your question or not but I see FS as a delegator.  Personally, I think there are times the HC needs to take over.  Like in the third quarter when we had first and gooal on the five, don't have our ace running back in the game, and call for a pass on first down which ended up in a busted play and a sack, I believe.  I would think FS with his background believes there are times when you just have to play smash mouth football.  If OUr team cannot run it in from the five in four tries against Miami, they don't deserve to win.  Why get cute there? Back to Top LoganElm_grad09 General User Member Since: 9/9/2010 Location: South Bloomingville, OH Post Count: 934 Status: Offline     RE: A question about coaching philosophy    Posted: 10/31/2012 12:25:55 PM  Casper71 wrote: I'm not sure this answers your question or not but I see FS as a delegator.  Personally, I think there are times the HC needs to take over.  Like in the third quarter when we had first and gooal on the five, don't have our ace running back in the game, and call for a pass on first down which ended up in a busted play and a sack, I believe.  I would think FS with his background believes there are times when you just have to play smash mouth football.  If OUr team cannot run it in from the five in four tries against Miami, they don't deserve to win.  Why get cute there? With 9 seconds and no timeouts? Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,497 Status: Offline     RE: A question about coaching philosophy    Posted: 10/31/2012 2:06:14 PM  OhioCatFan wrote: I ... It seems to me that Frank believes in teaching players during practices about how to play (running, blocking, tackling, etc) and teaching a kind of mental toughness but then not micro-managing in-game situations.  Certainly, he calls strategic timeouts and the OC and DC call plays, but it seems to me that Frank does try to give his players on the field a lot of discretion within his overall system....... OK, you want more of an answer, here is mine. What you describe is what coaching is - you teach fundamentals, and you encourage toughness, and you put players in a position to where they can win. Pretty much all plays are called from the sidelines, but many/most coaches allow the QB's to audible based on what they see from the defense. Solich probably grants a little more freedom to audible than most coaches, but it isn't uncommon. I do think he is more of a delegator when it comes to assistant coaches. Many of the great coaches have been - Osborne, Paterno, and Bowden all excelled because they made good choices for assistants, and delegated to them. On the other hand, not all coaches are in that mold. Snyder, at K-State is more of a micro-manager, so either can work. As for calling the events that happened, "an obvious bonehead play", I think that goes above and beyond what is necessary.  What happened happened in a matter of seconds, and thus was more instinctive that decision based. Had their been a timeout, and time to consider how the play would be run, it wouldn't have happened, but there wasn't. Going all out for the TD there was probably a 1-3 chance. Kicking the FG was probably a 80% chance he makes it, and a 60% chance Ohio wins in OT, since Ohio had the momentum, or a 48% chance Ohio wins. Trying a quick shot, then going for the TD was probably a 20% additional chance it works, plus a 10% chance of disaster, raising the odds to 54% or so. Yes, in the heat of action, TT turned the 54% chance to a 33% chance, but unlike some here, I'm not going to fault him for it. Without him, Ohio doesn't even have that chance. More than that, I'm not going to second guess what I might have done in his shoes (no doubt something worse), by calling his play "obvious boneheaded". I for one hope that TT doesn't play more tentatively in future close situations because he is afraid of making another "obvious boneheaded play". I want the ball in his hands. I want him playing confidently, and aggressively. More often than not, it's going to work. On the other hand, if he's too tentative, or thinking too much, he will no longer be as effective. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top LoganElm_grad09 General User Member Since: 9/9/2010 Location: South Bloomingville, OH Post Count: 934 Status: Offline     RE: A question about coaching philosophy    Posted: 10/31/2012 2:13:48 PM  L.C. wrote: I for one hope that TT doesn't play more tentatively in future close situations because he is afraid of making another "obvious boneheaded play". I want the ball in his hands. I want him playing confidently, and aggressively. More often than not, it's going to work. On the other hand, if he's too tentative, or thinking too much, he will no longer be as effective. Everybody makes mistakes.  Les Miles, one of the best coaches in the nation, told his QB to spike the ball on 4th down knocking on the door for a go-ahead or tying field goal in the final seconds of a game.  Tettleton still has my full confidence, but there's accountability that goes with maturity.  It was a bonehead play.  Everyone has them from time to time. Back to Top Bobcat36 General User Member Since: 1/5/2005 Location: Delaware, OH Post Count: 1,167 Status: Offline     RE: A question about coaching philosophy    Posted: 10/31/2012 4:11:39 PM  L.C. wrote:  Without him, Ohio doesn't even have that chance.  Nor would we be in a position to complaining about dropping out of the BCS Top 25 because we'd never have been there to begin with. I too hope this single play doesn't effect T2's decision making moving forward.  He is the spirit and the calm in the face of adversity that drives this offense. Go get'em Tyler! Go get'em Cats! Roll EMU the way this team can and get to game planning BG!  GoBobcats!!!!            Always have been and always will be... Ohio's First and Finest! Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,762 Status: Offline     RE: A question about coaching philosophy    Posted: 10/31/2012 7:57:38 PM  Note that I said TT "made a bonehead play" not that he was a "bonehead."  I think he's one of the best FBS QBs, and has a chance of being in the Heisman talk next year.  Nonetheless, it was a bonehead play when with no timeouts you don't throw the ball away in those circumstances if no one is immediately open.  I still play basketball on a regular basis and I've made a number of bonehead plays.  A few weeks ago a guy who had been on the other team switched to our team and on an in-bounds play I guarded him.  Needless to say this left my actual man wide open.  You don't get more bonehead than that.  So I may not know much, but I do know a bonehead play when I see it.   The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top RSBobcat General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,437 Status: Offline     RE: A question about coaching philosophy    Posted: 10/31/2012 8:05:18 PM  LoganElm_grad09 wrote: Casper71 wrote: I'm not sure this answers your question or not but I see FS as a delegator.  Personally, I think there are times the HC needs to take over.  Like in the third quarter when we had first and gooal on the five, don't have our ace running back in the game, and call for a pass on first down which ended up in a busted play and a sack, I believe.  I would think FS with his background believes there are times when you just have to play smash mouth football.  If OUr team cannot run it in from the five in four tries against Miami, they don't deserve to win.  Why get cute there? With 9 seconds and no timeouts? No - Wrong possesion series - this was earlier in the game.  RS Bobcat Back to Top Casper71 General User Member Since: 12/1/2006 Post Count: 3,090 Status: Offline     RE: A question about coaching philosophy    Posted: 10/31/2012 10:01:32 PM  RSB-correcto!  This was the THIRD quarter. Back to Top Showing Replies:   1 - 14  of 14 Posts Jump to Page:   1 View Other 'Ohio Football' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 357 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 355 Guests 2 Registered Users:   colobobcat66, shabamon There are no other users looking at this page.

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