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Scathing commentary. Back to Top DXer General User Member Since: 12/21/2004 Location: Mobile, AL Post Count: 135 Status: Offline     RE: Read this if you think we have problems    Posted: 1/30/2018 3:27:59 AM  Yes, interest in college basketball has been falling every year for some time now. This can be easily seen by the very low attendance at so many college games as seen on TV in recent years. Yes, interest in the bluebloods isn’t suffering, but for maybe 310 of the 350 D1 schools attendance is very sad anymore. The problem is due to the post-season being composed of the Conference tournament, followed by an NCAA tournament limited to only 68 schools. Most people today are too-young to remember that for most leagues, the Conference tournaments did not exist years ago. Then an AD somewhere came up with the idea of having a post-season tournament for the Conference for the sole purpose as another revenue source. The key was then to somehow generate interest in a tournament after everyone has already gone through a 24-plus game regular season. That is where they came up with the idea of tying the automatic bid to the NCAA tournament to the winner of the Conference tournament. So now you have a regular season where you play 30 games and the sole purpose of all of the league games is solely for seeding in the Conference tournament. That is a big yawner. For many conferences, if you are the best team in the league during the regular season, you still have to go undefeated in your Conference tournament to get into the NCAA tournament. If your team isn’t the best team during the season, playing for a number 3 seed, or a number 5 seed, etc. is of little interest to the fans. I have not seen a huge turnout at any late season game where the number 4 seed in the Conference tournament is at stake. And no one considers the best team during the regular season as the league champion anymore. The team who gets hot over a four day period is crowned the real champion, even though they may very well have had a mediocre regular season. Such a scenario generates zero interest during the regular season. So in today’s world, with little interest in winning any crown during the regular season, those who do come to the games are there simply to watch a game, but nothing to really root for. Thus no energy or excitement in the arenas. It is an epidemic at most schools. The solution is to have the NCAA tournament for all D1 schools. That would return the regular season back to its rightful importance. All schools are then playing to win their Conference championship instead of just playing for seeding position. And for the mathematically-challenged fans who will scream that such a tournament would take a whole extra month to play, in reality it would only take one more week. The first week would get down the field down to the group of 64, and you would still have the Sunday Seeding Show for the 64 remaining teams. The huge difference would be that all 64 teams won their way into the round of 64. No more teams losing out in their Conference tournaments but still getting into the NCAA due to the politics of a selection committee. All 64 teams won their way in – a novel idea. The high schools have everyone in their statewide post-season tournament. They have it right. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,370 Status: Offline     RE: Read this if you think we have problems    Posted: 1/30/2018 10:34:27 AM  DXer wrote: Yes, interest in college basketball has been falling every year for some time now. This can be easily seen by the very low attendance at so many college games as seen on TV in recent years. Yes, interest in the bluebloods isn’t suffering, but for maybe 310 of the 350 D1 schools attendance is very sad anymore. The problem is due to the post-season being composed of the Conference tournament, followed by an NCAA tournament limited to only 68 schools. Most people today are too-young to remember that for most leagues, the Conference tournaments did not exist years ago. Then an AD somewhere came up with the idea of having a post-season tournament for the Conference for the sole purpose as another revenue source. The key was then to somehow generate interest in a tournament after everyone has already gone through a 24-plus game regular season. That is where they came up with the idea of tying the automatic bid to the NCAA tournament to the winner of the Conference tournament. So now you have a regular season where you play 30 games and the sole purpose of all of the league games is solely for seeding in the Conference tournament. That is a big yawner. For many conferences, if you are the best team in the league during the regular season, you still have to go undefeated in your Conference tournament to get into the NCAA tournament. If your team isn’t the best team during the season, playing for a number 3 seed, or a number 5 seed, etc. is of little interest to the fans. I have not seen a huge turnout at any late season game where the number 4 seed in the Conference tournament is at stake. And no one considers the best team during the regular season as the league champion anymore. The team who gets hot over a four day period is crowned the real champion, even though they may very well have had a mediocre regular season. Such a scenario generates zero interest during the regular season. So in today’s world, with little interest in winning any crown during the regular season, those who do come to the games are there simply to watch a game, but nothing to really root for. Thus no energy or excitement in the arenas. It is an epidemic at most schools. The solution is to have the NCAA tournament for all D1 schools. That would return the regular season back to its rightful importance. All schools are then playing to win their Conference championship instead of just playing for seeding position. And for the mathematically-challenged fans who will scream that such a tournament would take a whole extra month to play, in reality it would only take one more week. The first week would get down the field down to the group of 64, and you would still have the Sunday Seeding Show for the 64 remaining teams. The huge difference would be that all 64 teams won their way into the round of 64. No more teams losing out in their Conference tournaments but still getting into the NCAA due to the politics of a selection committee. All 64 teams won their way in – a novel idea. The high schools have everyone in their statewide post-season tournament. They have it right. I'm not sure I agree with the idea that everyone makes the NCAA Tournament, but I do agree that more emphasis on the regular season is needed. I've often thought that allowing regular season champ and conference tournament champ an auto bid is the simple way to go. As for Pitt, giacomo, selfishly I'm okay with it for this year because it allowed me to grab good tickets to UVA's visit to The Pete in a month. Otherwise, they have an issue to be sure. Back to Top Jeff McKinney Moderator Member Since: 11/12/2004 Post Count: 6,155 Status: Offline     RE: Read this if you think we have problems    Posted: 1/30/2018 10:49:48 AM  If every team gets in the NCAA, the post season conference tournaments should be scrapped. Back to Top colobobcat66 General User Member Since: 9/1/2006 Location: Watching the bobcats run outside my window., CO Post Count: 4,547 Status: Offline     RE: Read this if you think we have problems    Posted: 1/30/2018 11:29:42 AM  DXer wrote: Yes, interest in college basketball has been falling every year for some time now. This can be easily seen by the very low attendance at so many college games as seen on TV in recent years. Yes, interest in the bluebloods isn’t suffering, but for maybe 310 of the 350 D1 schools attendance is very sad anymore. The problem is due to the post-season being composed of the Conference tournament, followed by an NCAA tournament limited to only 68 schools. Most people today are too-young to remember that for most leagues, the Conference tournaments did not exist years ago. Then an AD somewhere came up with the idea of having a post-season tournament for the Conference for the sole purpose as another revenue source. The key was then to somehow generate interest in a tournament after everyone has already gone through a 24-plus game regular season. That is where they came up with the idea of tying the automatic bid to the NCAA tournament to the winner of the Conference tournament. So now you have a regular season where you play 30 games and the sole purpose of all of the league games is solely for seeding in the Conference tournament. That is a big yawner. For many conferences, if you are the best team in the league during the regular season, you still have to go undefeated in your Conference tournament to get into the NCAA tournament. If your team isn’t the best team during the season, playing for a number 3 seed, or a number 5 seed, etc. is of little interest to the fans. I have not seen a huge turnout at any late season game where the number 4 seed in the Conference tournament is at stake. And no one considers the best team during the regular season as the league champion anymore. The team who gets hot over a four day period is crowned the real champion, even though they may very well have had a mediocre regular season. Such a scenario generates zero interest during the regular season. So in today’s world, with little interest in winning any crown during the regular season, those who do come to the games are there simply to watch a game, but nothing to really root for. Thus no energy or excitement in the arenas. It is an epidemic at most schools. The solution is to have the NCAA tournament for all D1 schools. That would return the regular season back to its rightful importance. All schools are then playing to win their Conference championship instead of just playing for seeding position. And for the mathematically-challenged fans who will scream that such a tournament would take a whole extra month to play, in reality it would only take one more week. The first week would get down the field down to the group of 64, and you would still have the Sunday Seeding Show for the 64 remaining teams. The huge difference would be that all 64 teams won their way into the round of 64. No more teams losing out in their Conference tournaments but still getting into the NCAA due to the politics of a selection committee. All 64 teams won their way in – a novel idea. The high schools have everyone in their statewide post-season tournament. They have it right. I don’t see how letting all teams play in the tournament makes the regular season more important. Just let the upper half of the conference based on season record in conference play in the tourney, then the regular season really counts for something. Back to Top DXer General User Member Since: 12/21/2004 Location: Mobile, AL Post Count: 135 Status: Offline     RE: Read this if you think we have problems    Posted: 1/30/2018 5:19:17 PM  Jeff McKinney wrote: If every team gets in the NCAA, the post season conference tournaments should be scrapped. Yes, do away with the Conference tournaments, at least for the non-power conferences. They serve no purpose. Everyone has already played everyone else twice on the season, so playing teams yet a third time is boring. Conference tournaments are OK for the big-time conferences since their fans will go anywhere their teams play, so those conferences make money on their tournaments. But the other conferences lose money on them and play them just to go along with the crowd. So let the power conferences have their tournaments, and the other conferences, like the MAC, can take a week off and rest before the Big Dance starts. Back to Top DXer General User Member Since: 12/21/2004 Location: Mobile, AL Post Count: 135 Status: Offline     RE: Read this if you think we have problems    Posted: 1/30/2018 5:20:12 PM  colobobcat66 wrote: DXer wrote: Yes, interest in college basketball has been falling every year for some time now. This can be easily seen by the very low attendance at so many college games as seen on TV in recent years. Yes, interest in the bluebloods isn’t suffering, but for maybe 310 of the 350 D1 schools attendance is very sad anymore. The problem is due to the post-season being composed of the Conference tournament, followed by an NCAA tournament limited to only 68 schools. Most people today are too-young to remember that for most leagues, the Conference tournaments did not exist years ago. Then an AD somewhere came up with the idea of having a post-season tournament for the Conference for the sole purpose as another revenue source. The key was then to somehow generate interest in a tournament after everyone has already gone through a 24-plus game regular season. That is where they came up with the idea of tying the automatic bid to the NCAA tournament to the winner of the Conference tournament. So now you have a regular season where you play 30 games and the sole purpose of all of the league games is solely for seeding in the Conference tournament. That is a big yawner. For many conferences, if you are the best team in the league during the regular season, you still have to go undefeated in your Conference tournament to get into the NCAA tournament. If your team isn’t the best team during the season, playing for a number 3 seed, or a number 5 seed, etc. is of little interest to the fans. I have not seen a huge turnout at any late season game where the number 4 seed in the Conference tournament is at stake. And no one considers the best team during the regular season as the league champion anymore. The team who gets hot over a four day period is crowned the real champion, even though they may very well have had a mediocre regular season. Such a scenario generates zero interest during the regular season. So in today’s world, with little interest in winning any crown during the regular season, those who do come to the games are there simply to watch a game, but nothing to really root for. Thus no energy or excitement in the arenas. It is an epidemic at most schools. The solution is to have the NCAA tournament for all D1 schools. That would return the regular season back to its rightful importance. All schools are then playing to win their Conference championship instead of just playing for seeding position. And for the mathematically-challenged fans who will scream that such a tournament would take a whole extra month to play, in reality it would only take one more week. The first week would get down the field down to the group of 64, and you would still have the Sunday Seeding Show for the 64 remaining teams. The huge difference would be that all 64 teams won their way into the round of 64. No more teams losing out in their Conference tournaments but still getting into the NCAA due to the politics of a selection committee. All 64 teams won their way in – a novel idea. The high schools have everyone in their statewide post-season tournament. They have it right. I don’t see how letting all teams play in the tournament makes the regular season more important. Just let the upper half of the conference based on season record in conference play in the tourney, then the regular season really counts for something. The reason that having everyone in the Big Dance benefits the regular season is that the fans do not lose interest in the regular season, as they do now, due to the idea that their team is not expected to make it into the NCAA tournament so therefore there is no reason to follow their school this year, or most other years. But if their school is automatically in the post-season tournament, then the focus can rightfully return to the regular season and root for your team to win the conference championship, or at least have as good a record as possible heading into the Big Dance. Watching a game at the Convo on TV the other night, thanks to ESPN3, showed exactly what I’m talking about. A slim crowd, much smaller that you would’ve seen on a weeknight game years ago. Zero enthusiasm in the fans, no rooting for the home team, no energy in the arena. Everyone was there silently watching the game, not any different than if they were attending a performance at Mem Aud. The reason for the loss of excitement is that we now perceive that the sole purpose of the season is to make the NCAA tournament. Yet for almost all MAC schools, including Ohio, there hasn’t been any reasonable expectation of being that sole team that gets the one and only slot into the tournament. Therefore, no interest in the season. Why care? And you can see that same lack of interest in a multitude of other games that you see on TV that involve teams not ranked in the polls. Very sparsely filled arenas, many at major universities whose teams are not ranked nationally. Even at ranked schools, attendance is way down. Many home games at tosu have seen very small crowds compared to the capacity of their arena. But if everyone is included in the Big Dance, the interest returns to the regular season, just like it was years ago. Your team is still playing for a true league championship. Even if your team is out of the championship race, you are still rooting to finish with as best a record as possible so that you can get a higher spot in the NCAA tournament. Your team can get better as the season progresses, which is the amateur model of the sport, and possibly do well in the Big Dance. Just think of Ohio right now. You would be rooting for the Cats to improve as the season goes on, and have a chance to do something in the second season. As opposed to the season is already over attitude that is now seen. There would be no more of that nonsense that we will hear ad nauseum for the next six weeks – RPI, strength of schedule, bracketology, body of work, quality wins, bad losses, first four in, last four out, wins over Top 50, etc,, all of which are used as excuses to put the politically correct teams in the tournament over the less publicized ones. Just put everyone in the tournament field, tip it off, and let everyone get their shot at it. The fans everywhere would love it. Interestingly enough, every school having a decent year would only have to win two games to make it into the field of 64. How about that. Back to Top colobobcat66 General User Member Since: 9/1/2006 Location: Watching the bobcats run outside my window., CO Post Count: 4,547 Status: Offline     RE: Read this if you think we have problems    Posted: 1/30/2018 6:10:46 PM  DXer wrote: colobobcat66 wrote: DXer wrote: Yes, interest in college basketball has been falling every year for some time now. This can be easily seen by the very low attendance at so many college games as seen on TV in recent years. Yes, interest in the bluebloods isn’t suffering, but for maybe 310 of the 350 D1 schools attendance is very sad anymore. The problem is due to the post-season being composed of the Conference tournament, followed by an NCAA tournament limited to only 68 schools. Most people today are too-young to remember that for most leagues, the Conference tournaments did not exist years ago. Then an AD somewhere came up with the idea of having a post-season tournament for the Conference for the sole purpose as another revenue source. The key was then to somehow generate interest in a tournament after everyone has already gone through a 24-plus game regular season. That is where they came up with the idea of tying the automatic bid to the NCAA tournament to the winner of the Conference tournament. So now you have a regular season where you play 30 games and the sole purpose of all of the league games is solely for seeding in the Conference tournament. That is a big yawner. For many conferences, if you are the best team in the league during the regular season, you still have to go undefeated in your Conference tournament to get into the NCAA tournament. If your team isn’t the best team during the season, playing for a number 3 seed, or a number 5 seed, etc. is of little interest to the fans. I have not seen a huge turnout at any late season game where the number 4 seed in the Conference tournament is at stake. And no one considers the best team during the regular season as the league champion anymore. The team who gets hot over a four day period is crowned the real champion, even though they may very well have had a mediocre regular season. Such a scenario generates zero interest during the regular season. So in today’s world, with little interest in winning any crown during the regular season, those who do come to the games are there simply to watch a game, but nothing to really root for. Thus no energy or excitement in the arenas. It is an epidemic at most schools. The solution is to have the NCAA tournament for all D1 schools. That would return the regular season back to its rightful importance. All schools are then playing to win their Conference championship instead of just playing for seeding position. And for the mathematically-challenged fans who will scream that such a tournament would take a whole extra month to play, in reality it would only take one more week. The first week would get down the field down to the group of 64, and you would still have the Sunday Seeding Show for the 64 remaining teams. The huge difference would be that all 64 teams won their way into the round of 64. No more teams losing out in their Conference tournaments but still getting into the NCAA due to the politics of a selection committee. All 64 teams won their way in – a novel idea. The high schools have everyone in their statewide post-season tournament. They have it right. I don’t see how letting all teams play in the tournament makes the regular season more important. Just let the upper half of the conference based on season record in conference play in the tourney, then the regular season really counts for something. The reason that having everyone in the Big Dance benefits the regular season is that the fans do not lose interest in the regular season, as they do now, due to the idea that their team is not expected to make it into the NCAA tournament so therefore there is no reason to follow their school this year, or most other years. But if their school is automatically in the post-season tournament, then the focus can rightfully return to the regular season and root for your team to win the conference championship, or at least have as good a record as possible heading into the Big Dance. Watching a game at the Convo on TV the other night, thanks to ESPN3, showed exactly what I’m talking about. A slim crowd, much smaller that you would’ve seen on a weeknight game years ago. Zero enthusiasm in the fans, no rooting for the home team, no energy in the arena. Everyone was there silently watching the game, not any different than if they were attending a performance at Mem Aud. The reason for the loss of excitement is that we now perceive that the sole purpose of the season is to make the NCAA tournament. Yet for almost all MAC schools, including Ohio, there hasn’t been any reasonable expectation of being that sole team that gets the one and only slot into the tournament. Therefore, no interest in the season. Why care? And you can see that same lack of interest in a multitude of other games that you see on TV that involve teams not ranked in the polls. Very sparsely filled arenas, many at major universities whose teams are not ranked nationally. Even at ranked schools, attendance is way down. Many home games at tosu have seen very small crowds compared to the capacity of their arena. But if everyone is included in the Big Dance, the interest returns to the regular season, just like it was years ago. Your team is still playing for a true league championship. Even if your team is out of the championship race, you are still rooting to finish with as best a record as possible so that you can get a higher spot in the NCAA tournament. Your team can get better as the season progresses, which is the amateur model of the sport, and possibly do well in the Big Dance. Just think of Ohio right now. You would be rooting for the Cats to improve as the season goes on, and have a chance to do something in the second season. As opposed to the season is already over attitude that is now seen. There would be no more of that nonsense that we will hear ad nauseum for the next six weeks – RPI, strength of schedule, bracketology, body of work, quality wins, bad losses, first four in, last four out, wins over Top 50, etc,, all of which are used as excuses to put the politically correct teams in the tournament over the less publicized ones. Just put everyone in the tournament field, tip it off, and let everyone get their shot at it. The fans everywhere would love it. Interestingly enough, every school having a decent year would only have to win two games to make it into the field of 64. How about that. Good points there. I’m just not seeing a 5-24 team or any other lousy team getting a lot of fan interest just because they get a chance to play in the tourney. Back to Top Bobcat1996 General User Member Since: 1/2/2017 Post Count: 1,096 Status: Offline     RE: Read this if you think we have problems    Posted: 1/30/2018 7:30:33 PM  As it stands now, most mid majors and below shouldn't care about the regular season if they have a conference tournament. If your goal is to achieve the group of 68 then the regular season is nothing more than scrimmages. Come March for the MAC and conferences like that, the goal is to try to win three games and get to the big dance. For my two cents, it is much better for the regular season conference champ to earn their way to the NCAA after playing 18 games. The MAC will never go that route, but the real winner is the regular season winner over the long haul of the season. This could be one reason attendance is dropping in the MAC, along with games being scheduled on Tuesday and Friday. Back to Top Bobcat1996 General User Member Since: 1/2/2017 Post Count: 1,096 Status: Offline     RE: Read this if you think we have problems    Posted: 1/30/2018 7:36:39 PM  I agree with DXer as the regular season is just being watered down in the MAC and leagues like it. Do away with the league tourney, otherwise why play the regular season? Back to Top ohiocatfan1 General User Member Since: 9/6/2016 Post Count: 380 Status: Offline     RE: Read this if you think we have problems    Posted: 1/30/2018 8:19:00 PM  Sorry but we have problems. Back to Top Recovering Journalist General User Member Since: 8/17/2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Post Count: 1,852 Status: Offline     RE: Read this if you think we have problems    Posted: 1/30/2018 10:03:36 PM  Somehow I'd rather be in last place in the ACC than the worst team in the MAC. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 10,396 Status: Offline     RE: Read this if you think we have problems    Posted: 1/30/2018 10:35:24 PM  Bobcat1996 wrote: I agree with DXer as the regular season is just being watered down in the MAC and leagues like it. Do away with the league tourney, otherwise why play the regular season? I get the view of the regular season being watered down. But if every one gets in the tournament then only game that matters is the first game of the tournament. 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