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Syracuse finally makes it through the Bubble Interviewee says he has been on for 5 years. Must not be the 3 year stint I thought. St Mary's in Thought Hurley was going to be pushed out by his brother at Rhode Island. They pushed Middle Tn out maybe? Good discussion OK raises an eyebrow. Butler gets Purdue in next round if they win never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer..... The game loves and rewards those who love and reward the game Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,439 Status: Offline     RE: Selection show. Musings.    Posted: 3/11/2018 7:02:17 PM  St. Mary's got snubbed. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,370 Status: Offline     RE: Selection show. Musings.    Posted: 3/11/2018 7:07:24 PM  GoCats105 wrote: St. Mary's got snubbed. So did USC. The idea that two Big 12 teams with 13 and 14 losses get in is disgraceful. The idea that ND and Baylor are part of the last teams out is as well. I'd be embarrassed to put my name on selecting those teams if I were on the committee. Back to Top Tom Valentino General User Member Since: 3/13/2005 Location: Painesville, OH Post Count: 276 Status: Offline     RE: Selection show. Musings.    Posted: 3/11/2018 8:05:45 PM  https://twitter.com/eapeedee/status/972971658112839683?s=21 I really, really hope Elton shows up at the Cleveland Caravan this year. On Twitter: @1tomvalentino | TheNailPodcast.com Back to Top BobcatSports General User Member Since: 2/2/2006 Post Count: 1,094 Status: Offline     RE: Selection show. Musings.    Posted: 3/11/2018 8:10:06 PM  Buffalo gets Arizona. Brutal match-up. In Boise,Id. Brutal for the fan base. Back to Top Maddog13 General User Member Since: 12/21/2004 Location: Albuquerque, NM Post Count: 725 Status: Offline     RE: Selection show. Musings.    Posted: 3/11/2018 8:52:03 PM  BobcatSports wrote: Buffalo gets Arizona. Brutal match-up. In Boise,Id. Brutal for the fan base. Deandre Ayton is a total monster in the paint. It will be interesting to see how Nate and the Bulls handle that. I went out on a limb though, and have Buffalo upsetting them in the first round. Back to Top rpbobcat General User Member Since: 4/28/2006 Location: Rochelle Park, NJ Post Count: 3,598 Status: Offline     RE: Selection show. Musings.    Posted: 3/12/2018 6:41:33 AM  If you want to talk about the selection show: 1.I liked the idea of opening with the teams alphabetically. But it does take away some of the suspense. 2.Audio/video out of sync. 3."Pundits" like Barkley talking about second round games between "A" and "B",before there's even a tip off. As far as brackets: 1.When did they move San Diego to the East ? You would think they'd keep all the rounds somewhere near their geographic title. 2.I loved when the head of the selection committee talks about their process for letting certain teams in a particular year. This year he really seemed hot on "quality wins". He was at a loss for words when he got asked,what happens when teams "duck" games which prevents schools from getting "quality wins". Back to Top bornacatfan General User Member Since: 8/3/2006 Post Count: 5,716 Status: Offline     RE: Selection show. Musings.    Posted: 3/12/2018 7:47:45 AM  rpbobcat wrote: If you want to talk about the selection show: 1.I liked the idea of opening with the teams alphabetically. But it does take away some of the suspense. 2.Audio/video out of sync. 3."Pundits" like Barkley talking about second round games between "A" and "B",before there's even a tip off. As far as brackets: 1.When did they move San Diego to the East ? You would think they'd keep all the rounds somewhere near their geographic title. 2.I loved when the head of the selection committee talks about their process for letting certain teams in a particular year. This year he really seemed hot on "quality wins". He was at a loss for words when he got asked,what happens when teams "duck" games which prevents schools from getting "quality wins". GOod thoughts. I have always wondered from the first years they brought Kenny Smith and Charles in how their disconnect from college hoops makes this better. I have more respect for the former and current coaches who are interviewed and break it down from a peer perspective. I don't think geography has much to do with it past the top seeds. Butler and Xavier have gone west for example. Playing Midwest or South "pods" in LA or Seattle is just weird. Doing it alpha reveals all the bubble results before the brackets reveal the seeds and match ups. A lot of people were upset even before they started in on the bracket It was different. The studio audience was interesting. never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer..... The game loves and rewards those who love and reward the game Back to Top Buckeye to Bobcat General User Member Since: 9/10/2013 Post Count: 1,811 Status: Offline     RE: Selection show. Musings.    Posted: 3/12/2018 8:40:31 AM  What usually happens and why Xavier got shipped West is they allow the top seeds in order of their rankings among themselves to choose their respective region. Since I'm assuming Xavier was the 4th #1 seed, they had no choice but to go West. In addition to being a 1 seed, they also get to choose what opening site they go to. Kind of surprised that Xavier took Nashville, but that's just me. Back to Top Buckeye to Bobcat General User Member Since: 9/10/2013 Post Count: 1,811 Status: Offline     RE: Selection show. Musings.    Posted: 3/12/2018 8:46:02 AM  Also hate to say it, but the last three years with Schaus on the committee the bracket has been screwed up at higher extremes than ever. Last year with Vanderbilt having a 9 seed, this year with Alabama and Oklahoma comfortably in and then Arizona State gets in despite finishing 8th in their conference and not letting the 2nd place team in their conference in. Hate to say it, might as well have declared the season over January 1st. Back to Top C Money General User Member Since: 8/28/2010 Post Count: 3,420 Status: Offline     RE: Selection show. Musings.    Posted: 3/12/2018 8:56:57 AM  I was hoping Lipscomb would get a better seed than they did. I've got some family friends who are Lipscomb grads, and they were thinking they'd be a 13 or 14 seed. A 15/2 match up vs. UNC is a really tough draw. Marshall might be this year's Cinderella. Vegas has them as a 12 point underdog to Wichita State, but as hot as Marshall has been lately there is no way I would lay those points. And if they get past WSU, they have a likely 2nd round match up with WVU.... I don't get Davidson as a 12 seed. Would that have been Buffalo's slot if Davidson hadn't won its conference? Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,439 Status: Offline     RE: Selection show. Musings.    Posted: 3/12/2018 9:07:03 AM  Buckeye to Bobcat wrote: Also hate to say it, but the last three years with Schaus on the committee the bracket has been screwed up at higher extremes than ever. Last year with Vanderbilt having a 9 seed, this year with Alabama and Oklahoma comfortably in and then Arizona State gets in despite finishing 8th in their conference and not letting the 2nd place team in their conference in. Hate to say it, might as well have declared the season over January 1st. Arizona State went 8-12 over their last 20 games and lost five of their last six, including a first round exit in the PAC 12 Tourney to a just as bad Colorado team. They got in based on a 12-game winning streak in November in December. It's incredulous that the committee put them in. I realize St. Mary's didn't have the OOC wins to put them in the dance, but I find it hard to grasp that a team ranked in the Top 20 at the end of the year that won 28 games can't make it. Back to Top cc-cat General User Member Since: 4/5/2006 Location: matthews, NC Post Count: 3,947 Status: Offline     RE: Selection show. Musings.    Posted: 3/12/2018 9:07:38 AM  Bottom line - no MAC team will ever get an at large bid. Win the MAC tournament. It is all that matters. Always amused each year in December (or January after a loss to a poor MAC team) when folks post “that pretty much kills any hope for an at large bid.” News flash. We are one bid league. Period. Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: Selection show. Musings.    Posted: 3/12/2018 9:11:06 AM  rpbobcat wrote: He was at a loss for words when he got asked,what happens when teams "duck" games which prevents schools from getting "quality wins". It would have been nice to have a little honesty. "We, and by we I mean the power schools, have finally perfected our system of getting all the teams in the bracket that we want in the bracket and made it nearly impossible for outsiders, and by outsiders I mean those pesky mids, to get more than one bid per conference. We decided to play no true road games unless it's truly necessary like in those conference challenges. And we will never, ever play road games against outsiders, because obviously we might lose. Syracuse, for example, has this down to an art form. Then we will use metrics like RPI and KenPom but completely devaluate the actual rankings and stress only portions of those rankings, like games by quadrant that greatly favor we big boys. Then we fill the selection committee with a bunch of guys that either rep the big boys or don't want to make waves because they want to join the big boys. It's practically foolproof and in the end what everybody wants. What made this tournament great wasn't watching those upstart mids pulling upset after upset. It's rewarding those 9th and 10th place ACC or PAC12 teams for those 8-10 conference records. What do you mean ratings and attendance are way down?" Back to Top FearLeon General User Member Since: 3/12/2005 Post Count: 4,703 Status: Offline     RE: Selection show. Musings.    Posted: 3/12/2018 9:13:03 AM  cc-cat wrote: Bottom line - no MAC team will ever get an at large bid. Win the MAC tournament. It is all that matters. Always amused each year in December (or January after a loss to a poor MAC team) when folks post “that pretty much kills any hope for an at large bid.” News flash. We are one bid league. Period. Yep ^^^^^^ .no difference between the MAC and MAAC on this topic. One bid league for probably the rest of our lifetime. #reality And by the way, that was the worst Selection Show in the history of Section Show telecasts. Complete embarrassment. #BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: Selection show. Musings.    Posted: 3/12/2018 9:15:46 AM  FearLeon wrote: cc-cat wrote: Bottom line - no MAC team will ever get an at large bid. Win the MAC tournament. It is all that matters. Always amused each year in December (or January after a loss to a poor MAC team) when folks post “that pretty much kills any hope for an at large bid.” News flash. We are one bid league. Period. Yep ^^^^^^ .no difference between the MAC and MAAC on this topic. One bid league for probably the rest of our lifetime. #reality And by the way, that was the worst Selection Show in the history of Section Show telecasts. Complete embarrassment. Here's the news flash. All mids are now one bid leagues. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,439 Status: Offline     RE: Selection show. Musings.    Posted: 3/12/2018 9:25:28 AM  OUVan wrote: FearLeon wrote: cc-cat wrote: Bottom line - no MAC team will ever get an at large bid. Win the MAC tournament. It is all that matters. Always amused each year in December (or January after a loss to a poor MAC team) when folks post “that pretty much kills any hope for an at large bid.” News flash. We are one bid league. Period. Yep ^^^^^^ .no difference between the MAC and MAAC on this topic. One bid league for probably the rest of our lifetime. #reality And by the way, that was the worst Selection Show in the history of Section Show telecasts. Complete embarrassment. Here's the news flash. All mids are now one bid leagues. So along with this line of thinking, if all the mids are one-bid leagues, should we still complain about how bad of a schedule Ohio plays some years? Two ways of looking at this: (1) You play a light OOC schedule and get a ton of wins under your belt because you know you're not getting an at-large bid no matter what you do. You put all your focus on conference play and the conference tournament. (2) You play a tough schedule with a lot of road games against quality opponents to get your team ready. The conference tournament is still just as important, but who knows if you pull an upset or two an at-large bid isn't out of the question while still a long shot. Also, your fans are happy because the schedule has big names/conferences on it. Back to Top cc-cat General User Member Since: 4/5/2006 Location: matthews, NC Post Count: 3,947 Status: Offline     RE: Selection show. Musings.    Posted: 3/12/2018 9:48:53 AM  3). You play a tough out-of-conference schedule because a). it is more attractive to recruits (and fans) because they get to play against "XYZ" instead of "Directional XYZ," and b). it prepares you for the MAC season when the team needs to attain a high seed to improve the chances of winning the MAC Tournament - the only way we make the Dance. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,370 Status: Offline     RE: Selection show. Musings.    Posted: 3/12/2018 10:04:39 AM  Buckeye to Bobcat wrote: Also hate to say it, but the last three years with Schaus on the committee the bracket has been screwed up at higher extremes than ever. Last year with Vanderbilt having a 9 seed, this year with Alabama and Oklahoma comfortably in and then Arizona State gets in despite finishing 8th in their conference and not letting the 2nd place team in their conference in. Hate to say it, might as well have declared the season over January 1st. Exactly why I say they should all be embarrassed to have their name attached to selecting those teams, plus Texas and Syracuse. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,370 Status: Offline     RE: Selection show. Musings.    Posted: 3/12/2018 10:06:58 AM  OUVan wrote: rpbobcat wrote: He was at a loss for words when he got asked,what happens when teams "duck" games which prevents schools from getting "quality wins". It would have been nice to have a little honesty. "We, and by we I mean the power schools, have finally perfected our system of getting all the teams in the bracket that we want in the bracket and made it nearly impossible for outsiders, and by outsiders I mean those pesky mids, to get more than one bid per conference. We decided to play no true road games unless it's truly necessary like in those conference challenges. And we will never, ever play road games against outsiders, because obviously we might lose. Syracuse, for example, has this down to an art form. Then we will use metrics like RPI and KenPom but completely devaluate the actual rankings and stress only portions of those rankings, like games by quadrant that greatly favor we big boys. Then we fill the selection committee with a bunch of guys that either rep the big boys or don't want to make waves because they want to join the big boys. It's practically foolproof and in the end what everybody wants. What made this tournament great wasn't watching those upstart mids pulling upset after upset. It's rewarding those 9th and 10th place ACC or PAC12 teams for those 8-10 conference records. What do you mean ratings and attendance are way down?" I shut the interview of the committee chair off halfway through. Pretty sure I won't watch next year. I can just see where teams I'm interested in end up by following Twitter 30 minutes later and save myself from the 90 minutes of nonsense. Back to Top Joe McKinley General User Member Since: 11/15/2004 Post Count: 486 Status: Offline     RE: Selection show. Musings.    Posted: 3/12/2018 10:23:39 AM  Here is who organized the tournament: Chair:Bruce Rasmussen, Creighton AD Vice chair:Bernard Muir, Stanford AD Members: Mitch S. Barnhart: Kentucky AD Tom Burnett: Southland commissioner Janet Cone: UNC-Asheville AD Tom Holmoe: BYU AD Jim Phillips: Northwestern AD Jim Schaus: Ohio AD Craig Thompson: Mountain West commissioner Kevin White: Duke AD Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,370 Status: Offline     RE: Selection show. Musings.    Posted: 3/12/2018 10:38:02 AM  Joe McKinley wrote: Here is who organized the tournament: Chair:Bruce Rasmussen, Creighton AD Vice chair:Bernard Muir, Stanford AD Members: Mitch S. Barnhart: Kentucky AD Tom Burnett: Southland commissioner Janet Cone: UNC-Asheville AD Tom Holmoe: BYU AD Jim Phillips: Northwestern AD Jim Schaus: Ohio AD Craig Thompson: Mountain West commissioner Kevin White: Duke AD Something that has been suggested, and I agree with this, is that it's time to diversify the committee to be more than essentially AD's. Get a couple media people on there, a couple former coaches, and a couple former players -- i.e. people whose entire life has been college basketball day in and day out. Back to Top ts1227 General User Member Since: 2/28/2006 Location: Tallmadge, OH Post Count: 873 Status: Offline     RE: Selection show. Musings.    Posted: 3/12/2018 10:42:01 AM  Joe McKinley wrote: Here is who organized the tournament: Chair:Bruce Rasmussen, Creighton AD Vice chair:Bernard Muir, Stanford AD Members: Mitch S. Barnhart: Kentucky AD Tom Burnett: Southland commissioner Janet Cone: UNC-Asheville AD Tom Holmoe: BYU AD Jim Phillips: Northwestern AD Jim Schaus: Ohio AD Craig Thompson: Mountain West commissioner Kevin White: Duke AD All I want to hear is one of the 3-4 above (Burnett, Cone, Schaus, maybe Thompson?) go rogue and say they pushed hard for the mids, but kept getting outvoted 7-3 or 6-4. Throw someone under the bus and prove that it was at least discussed. This will never happen obviously, because they either never fought that hard in the first place, and if they did they aren’t burning the bridges to their next career move. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,213 Status: Offline     RE: Selection show. Musings.    Posted: 3/12/2018 11:03:40 AM  GoCats105 wrote: OUVan wrote: FearLeon wrote: cc-cat wrote: Bottom line - no MAC team will ever get an at large bid. Win the MAC tournament. It is all that matters. Always amused each year in December (or January after a loss to a poor MAC team) when folks post “that pretty much kills any hope for an at large bid.” News flash. We are one bid league. Period. Yep ^^^^^^ .no difference between the MAC and MAAC on this topic. One bid league for probably the rest of our lifetime. #reality And by the way, that was the worst Selection Show in the history of Section Show telecasts. Complete embarrassment. Here's the news flash. All mids are now one bid leagues. So along with this line of thinking, if all the mids are one-bid leagues, should we still complain about how bad of a schedule Ohio plays some years? Two ways of looking at this: (1) You play a light OOC schedule and get a ton of wins under your belt because you know you're not getting an at-large bid no matter what you do. You put all your focus on conference play and the conference tournament. (2) You play a tough schedule with a lot of road games against quality opponents to get your team ready. The conference tournament is still just as important, but who knows if you pull an upset or two an at-large bid isn't out of the question while still a long shot. Also, your fans are happy because the schedule has big names/conferences on it. Exactly plus what cc said in number 3. Whatever team when 0 - 13 in the non-conference part of the season proved that point. Play the best, attract fans, and get yourself ready. Back to Top mf279801 General User Member Since: 8/6/2010 Location: Newark, DE Post Count: 2,472 Status: Offline     RE: Selection show. Musings.    Posted: 3/12/2018 11:37:05 AM  rpbobcat wrote: 3."Pundits" like Barkley talking about second round games between "A" and "B",before there's even a tip off. I didn't watch more than the first 15 minutes of the selection show, but bear in mind that when they're talking about second round games, they're probably referring to the round of 64 (with the Tuesday/Wednesday games being considered the first round) Back to Top Showing Replies:   1 - 25  of 38 Posts Jump to Page:   1 | 2    Next > View Other 'Ohio Basketball' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 137 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 137 Guests 0 Registered Users There are no other users looking at this page.

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