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Too bad this group isnt eligible for an overseas/foreign trip, would benefit lots of new faces/injuried guys getting back. Back to Top FearLeon General User Member Since: 3/12/2005 Post Count: 4,703 Status: Offline     RE: 2018 offseason    Posted: 3/5/2018 10:17:09 PM  A scholarship definitely needs to open up. We all know what needs to be done there. #BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT Back to Top GraffZ06 General User Member Since: 1/5/2005 Location: Dayton, OH Post Count: 2,253 Status: Offline     RE: 2018 offseason    Posted: 3/5/2018 10:24:32 PM  If rumors are true, a couple might actually open up. I posted for follow-up info on the 3 guys in the 2018 class we had offered who hadn't signed/verballed yet to see if there was any insider news in the Recruiting board for this very reason. Hey didn't we sign Kirk in the late period last year only after JS quit on us? Can SP strike it lucky again this offseason? Seems to me we could use the help next year. Back to Top shabamon General User Member Since: 11/17/2006 Location: Cincinnati Post Count: 6,851 Status: Offline     RE: 2018 offseason    Posted: 3/5/2018 10:33:22 PM  What rumors? Back to Top Bobcat1998 General User Member Since: 11/7/2012 Post Count: 2,516 Status: Offline     RE: 2018 offseason    Posted: 3/5/2018 10:37:17 PM  GraffZ06 wrote: If rumors are true, a couple might actually open up. I posted for follow-up info on the 3 guys in the 2018 class we had offered who hadn't signed/verballed yet to see if there was any insider news in the Recruiting board for this very reason. Hey didn't we sign Kirk in the late period last year only after JS quit on us? Can SP strike it lucky again this offseason? Seems to me we could use the help next year. You can't tease with "rumors." I would think that Dozier could leave as a grad transfer. Then the other one would be Butler or Gareri, who both just didn't appear to be ready for primetime. Butler is far away from home and with Kirk in his class appears to be far behind. Gareri would also be an odd man out with BVP coming in next year and the possibility of McMurray being the real deal. We enter next year with a core (if healthy) of Dartis, Gollon, Block, Taylor, Carter, Kirk and Butler. Then you've got Dozier, Springs, Murrell, McMurray, Vander Plas and Gareri. If a couple guys leave then things change but that core is still very solid. BUT...the rest of the league is the same. Back to Top shabamon General User Member Since: 11/17/2006 Location: Cincinnati Post Count: 6,851 Status: Offline     RE: 2018 offseason    Posted: 3/5/2018 10:47:28 PM  I wouldn't count on Dozier leaving this offseason, but I could definitely see it following next year. I assume he would have his degree at that point and then grad transfer out. The group of Kirk, Dartis, Block, Gollon, Carter, and Taylor is a capable core. I've heard one person describe BVP as the middle ground between Carter and Kaminski. That would be really nice... but we absolutely must develop some depth. It would be great if we had 13 healthy, capable scholarship players, but I think we will be at 11 at best. I'm assuming a redshirt for Springs, and despite what I wrote above, I think we know what we have in Dozier Back to Top ohio9704 General User Member Since: 2/11/2006 Post Count: 1,542 Status: Offline     RE: 2018 offseason    Posted: 3/5/2018 10:48:53 PM  Bobcat1998 wrote: GraffZ06 wrote: If rumors are true, a couple might actually open up. I posted for follow-up info on the 3 guys in the 2018 class we had offered who hadn't signed/verballed yet to see if there was any insider news in the Recruiting board for this very reason. Hey didn't we sign Kirk in the late period last year only after JS quit on us? Can SP strike it lucky again this offseason? Seems to me we could use the help next year. You can't tease with "rumors." I would think that Dozier could leave as a grad transfer. Then the other one would be Butler or Gareri, who both just didn't appear to be ready for primetime. Butler is far away from home and with Kirk in his class appears to be far behind. Gareri would also be an odd man out with BVP coming in next year and the possibility of McMurray being the real deal. We enter next year with a core (if healthy) of Dartis, Gollon, Block, Taylor, Carter, Kirk and Butler. Then you've got Dozier, Springs, Murrell, McMurray, Vander Plas and Gareri. If a couple guys leave then things change but that core is still very solid. BUT...the rest of the league is the same. Dozier is a redshirt soph, not a grad transfer, but already 22. Back to Top The Better Ohio Bobcat General User Member Since: 3/28/2017 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 196 Status: Offline     RE: 2018 offseason    Posted: 3/6/2018 7:13:32 AM  We will definitely be better next year, but I don’t think we will ever win the MAC tournament under SP. Back to Top bobcatsquared General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 5,415 Status: Offline     RE: 2018 offseason    Posted: 3/6/2018 7:24:09 AM  Basketball teams at all levels play their two best big men together on the floor at the same time. We saw DT and Mickle on the floor together very little this season for obvious reasons. It will be imperative for Ohio to play DT with Jason Carter for quality minutes next year, meaning there must be a quality big man or two who can be part of the team's rotation. That development plus getting TK to understand the team will be much better with him as a distributor will be key to how the team improves next year. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,439 Status: Offline     RE: 2018 offseason    Posted: 3/6/2018 8:10:53 AM  Bobcat1998 wrote: GraffZ06 wrote: If rumors are true, a couple might actually open up. I posted for follow-up info on the 3 guys in the 2018 class we had offered who hadn't signed/verballed yet to see if there was any insider news in the Recruiting board for this very reason. Hey didn't we sign Kirk in the late period last year only after JS quit on us? Can SP strike it lucky again this offseason? Seems to me we could use the help next year. You can't tease with "rumors." I would think that Dozier could leave as a grad transfer. Then the other one would be Butler or Gareri, who both just didn't appear to be ready for primetime. Butler is far away from home and with Kirk in his class appears to be far behind. I don't think Butler is as far behind as you seem to think. The talent is definitely there and so is the basketball acumen. He comes from a championship program so he can obviously play. The question is the drive and motivation to put in the work this offseason. With Mike being gone, that opens up more PT in the backcourt. Like Saul said in one of his post games this year: "I didn't see anyone out there who proved to me they need more playing time." That's exactly what needs to happen this offseason. Put in the work. Prove your worth. Get jumpers up. Get in the weightroom. Watch film. Improve ball handling. If Butler and his roommate Kirk can do that, the backcourt is going to be just fine. And let's not give TK the right of passage here just because he got on the All Freshmen Team. Go back and look at some of his turnovers. He's got room for improvement as well. I don't have to question his drive though because we've seen how determined he is when he's on the floor. ------ One thing we definitely won't have to question next year is how hungry this team is going to be. You think Jordy isn't ticked off about his nagging hip that keeps him off the floor? He'll come out guns blazing next year. Think about how JC and BVP feel having to watch from the bench every single night, knowing they could help this team win. It's going to be a long offseason for these guys to think about what just happened and how they can make themselves better and put this program back where it's supposed to be at the top of the league. Back to Top 100%Cat General User Member Since: 1/17/2013 Post Count: 2,627 Status: Offline     RE: 2018 offseason    Posted: 3/6/2018 8:56:32 AM  I'd be a little surprised if someone doesn't transfer in this day and age of college basketball. I hope Butler doesn't leave, but I do see some similarities in his situation to Rodney Culver last year. A kid that had his minutes seem to shrink later in the year and during crunch time, maybe not happy with his role, but that's pure speculation on my part. He seems to be a freak athlete and I'd love to see him stay and develop. To be perfectly honest, the player that worries me the most going into next year is Gavin Block. I thought, outside of a couple of outlier games, he had a pretty down year. His PPG average actually increased, but his free throw percentage has dropped each year, his 3 point percentage has dropped each year, and his FG percentage was the lowest of his three years. His TO/game were also the highest of his career. How does a guy go from an 82% free throw shooter his freshman season to 59% his junior season? He (in my opinion) deservedly lost his starting spot to James Gollon, and for the season had 11 games in which he scored 5 points or less, including 5 of the final 7 games. What has happened to Gavin Block? Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,439 Status: Offline     RE: 2018 offseason    Posted: 3/6/2018 9:42:13 AM  100%Cat wrote: I'd be a little surprised if someone doesn't transfer in this day and age of college basketball. I hope Butler doesn't leave, but I do see some similarities in his situation to Rodney Culver last year. A kid that had his minutes seem to shrink later in the year and during crunch time, maybe not happy with his role, but that's pure speculation on my part. He seems to be a freak athlete and I'd love to see him stay and develop. To be perfectly honest, the player that worries me the most going into next year is Gavin Block. I thought, outside of a couple of outlier games, he had a pretty down year. His PPG average actually increased, but his free throw percentage has dropped each year, his 3 point percentage has dropped each year, and his FG percentage was the lowest of his three years. His TO/game were also the highest of his career. How does a guy go from an 82% free throw shooter his freshman season to 59% his junior season? He (in my opinion) deservedly lost his starting spot to James Gollon, and for the season had 11 games in which he scored 5 points or less, including 5 of the final 7 games. What has happened to Gavin Block? The shooting I can't explain, but him playing completely out of position most of the year didn't help. He was guarding the 4/5 post players some nights. That's another thing Jason, BVP and maybe one of the newcomers should help alleviate. Get Gavin back into his comfortable spot of the 3 swing man on both ends of the floor and I think he'll be better than what we saw this year. I agree with you though, his regression is troubling. Last Edited: 3/6/2018 9:43:24 AM by GoCats105 Back to Top A-townBound General User Member Since: 3/31/2012 Location: Georgetown, KY Post Count: 669 Status: Offline     RE: 2018 offseason    Posted: 3/6/2018 10:18:08 AM  Arkley mentioned in his post game article that Dartis would be one of 5 Bobcats to have post season surgery. I'm guessing that Mickle is another, and think I remember something about Gollon having another surgery, but the others? Laster,Gareri, Carter? Does anyone know more concerning this? Bleed Green and GO OHIO!! Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,363 Status: Offline     RE: 2018 offseason    Posted: 3/6/2018 1:04:25 PM  What this team could learn in the offseason is p-a-t-i-e-n-c-e. We got in trouble in the first half last night by chucking up threes that wouldn't go down. Came back in the 2nd half by working the ball to the hoop and getting twos and some and-ones. But then around the 7:00 mark we went back to chucking up threes. According to the stats on the AD's website, we had a decent 3-pt percentage this season (36%) but we hit 48% from inside the arc. Kirk led the team in scoring, but shot only 40 threes all season long. And he shot 190 FTs -- a third of the entire team's total. (Laster was second with 75.) Lots of and-ones and two-shot fouls. I hope they look at the stats and realize they can be more productive with higher-percentage shots. We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top UpSan Bobcat General User Member Since: 8/30/2005 Location: Upper Sandusky, OH Post Count: 3,812 Status: Offline     RE: 2018 offseason    Posted: 3/6/2018 1:56:21 PM  Pataskala wrote: What this team could learn in the offseason is p-a-t-i-e-n-c-e. We got in trouble in the first half last night by chucking up threes that wouldn't go down. Came back in the 2nd half by working the ball to the hoop and getting twos and some and-ones. But then around the 7:00 mark we went back to chucking up threes. According to the stats on the AD's website, we had a decent 3-pt percentage this season (36%) but we hit 48% from inside the arc. Kirk led the team in scoring, but shot only 40 threes all season long. And he shot 190 FTs -- a third of the entire team's total. (Laster was second with 75.) Lots of and-ones and two-shot fouls. I hope they look at the stats and realize they can be more productive with higher-percentage shots. If you take 100 3s and make 36, you've got 108 points. If you shoot 100 2s and make 48, you've got 96 points. So really, the 3-point shooting was more efficient. That's why basketball has moved so much toward 3-point shooting. But you can't have one without the other; you've got to be able to score both inside and out as a team. And I agree, Ohio had a tendency to fall in love with the 3-point shot too much at times. Plus drawing fouls the way Kirk did, which generally don't happen by shooting 3-pointers, has a lot of benefits beyond just scoring points. Back to Top Truelove General User Member Since: 2/14/2017 Post Count: 23 Status: Offline     RE: 2018 offseason    Posted: 3/6/2018 6:57:42 PM  In regards to people possibly leaving or staying, Do you know or have an idea what players were going through such as injuries or other things ? Butler suffered a sprained AC joint in his left shoulder after it was separated 6-8 games ago and only missed 1 game even though he probably shouldn’t have played the rest of the season due to the pain and discomfort he’s been dealing with to go along with playing with streptococcus ( throat infection) since last Friday . So since you love to speculate on a players future know the truth or what’s going on . The staff at Ohio didn’t feel it was your business to know what players are battling everytime . The Butler kid will be fine and a major contributor for Ohio next season or somewhere else if he decides and wants to leave .There’s over 150-200 Division 1 schools that play basketball and he won’t be without several options even if you feel he’s not ready for prime time. Back to Top Ohio69 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,061 Status: Offline     RE: 2018 offseason    Posted: 3/6/2018 7:13:17 PM  Truelove wrote: In regards to people possibly leaving or staying, Do you know or have an idea what players were going through such as injuries or other things ? Butler suffered a sprained AC joint in his left shoulder after it was separated 6-8 games ago and only missed 1 game even though he probably shouldn’t have played the rest of the season due to the pain and discomfort he’s been dealing with to go along with playing with streptococcus ( throat infection) since last Friday . So since you love to speculate on a players future know the truth or what’s going on . The staff at Ohio didn’t feel it was your business to know what players are battling everytime . The Butler kid will be fine and a major contributor for Ohio next season or somewhere else if he decides and wants to leave .There’s over 150-200 Division 1 schools that play basketball and he won’t be without several options even if you feel he’s not ready for prime time. Thanks for the insights. Hopefully Players and their advisors are not making any decisions based on some message board opinions/complainers. Last Edited: 3/6/2018 7:13:54 PM by Ohio69 Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?..... Back to Top bobcatsquared General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 5,415 Status: Offline     RE: 2018 offseason    Posted: 3/6/2018 7:14:27 PM  Truelove wrote: There’s over 150-200 Division 1 schools that play basketball and he won’t be without several options even if you feel he’s not ready for prime time. Good news if you're advocating/suggesting Butler could have a future elsewhere if he decides to transfer out: there are over 300 DI basketball schools. Back to Top Ohio69 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,061 Status: Offline     RE: 2018 offseason    Posted: 3/6/2018 7:15:16 PM  shabamon wrote: What rumors? We are joining the ACC next year. Gonna be sweet. Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?..... Back to Top shabamon General User Member Since: 11/17/2006 Location: Cincinnati Post Count: 6,851 Status: Offline     RE: 2018 offseason    Posted: 3/6/2018 8:27:25 PM  We could probably beat Pitt. Back to Top Carnac General User Member Since: 12/7/2012 Post Count: 44 Status: Offline     RE: 2018 offseason    Posted: 3/6/2018 8:27:39 PM  Athens Country Club? Back to Top Maddog13 General User Member Since: 12/21/2004 Location: Albuquerque, NM Post Count: 725 Status: Offline     RE: 2018 offseason    Posted: 3/6/2018 8:39:18 PM  Carnac wrote: Athens Country Club? Too funny! You made my day. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,370 Status: Offline     RE: 2018 offseason    Posted: 3/7/2018 9:59:33 AM  The better Ohio Bobcat wrote: We will definitely be better next year, but I don’t think we will ever win the MAC tournament under SP. What leads you to say or think that? For the sake of discussion, let's throw out year one, and this year. Both were disaster years, and outliers that I don't think would be the norm here regardless of who the coach is/was/will be. Let's use 15-16, and 16-17 as our examples. So that said, what leads you to think they can't win the MAC Tournament under Saul in the next year or two? Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,370 Status: Offline     RE: 2018 offseason    Posted: 3/7/2018 10:05:23 AM  Truelove wrote: In regards to people possibly leaving or staying, Do you know or have an idea what players were going through such as injuries or other things ? Butler suffered a sprained AC joint in his left shoulder after it was separated 6-8 games ago and only missed 1 game even though he probably shouldn’t have played the rest of the season due to the pain and discomfort he’s been dealing with to go along with playing with streptococcus ( throat infection) since last Friday . So since you love to speculate on a players future know the truth or what’s going on . The staff at Ohio didn’t feel it was your business to know what players are battling everytime . The Butler kid will be fine and a major contributor for Ohio next season or somewhere else if he decides and wants to leave .There’s over 150-200 Division 1 schools that play basketball and he won’t be without several options even if you feel he’s not ready for prime time. Some of the reason the staff isn't telling you about what certain players are battling has to do with privacy and HIPPA laws. They can't tell you every detail without the player's permission unless I'm mistaken. If I am, perhaps someone could enlighten me, and us, on the proper/normal procedures in this case. Back to Top Joe McKinley General User Member Since: 11/15/2004 Post Count: 486 Status: Offline     RE: 2018 offseason    Posted: 3/7/2018 10:23:49 AM  OU_Country wrote: Truelove wrote: In regards to people possibly leaving or staying, Do you know or have an idea what players were going through such as injuries or other things ? Butler suffered a sprained AC joint in his left shoulder after it was separated 6-8 games ago and only missed 1 game even though he probably shouldn’t have played the rest of the season due to the pain and discomfort he’s been dealing with to go along with playing with streptococcus ( throat infection) since last Friday . So since you love to speculate on a players future know the truth or what’s going on . The staff at Ohio didn’t feel it was your business to know what players are battling everytime . The Butler kid will be fine and a major contributor for Ohio next season or somewhere else if he decides and wants to leave .There’s over 150-200 Division 1 schools that play basketball and he won’t be without several options even if you feel he’s not ready for prime time. Some of the reason the staff isn't telling you about what certain players are battling has to do with privacy and HIPPA laws. They can't tell you every detail without the player's permission unless I'm mistaken. If I am, perhaps someone could enlighten me, and us, on the proper/normal procedures in this case. Privacy laws are an important element as you note. For example, with HIPAA and FERPA adult students must give written consent for parents or anyone else to receive information about health or education (grades, university discipline, etc.) status. I'm in favor. Bornacatfan and anyone else associated with college programs at any level will confirm that all players are hurt to some degree during the season. And, just about everyone is nursing something from mid-January on. It is a rare player who is 100%. Here are common ones -- concussion (minor), ankle sprains, knee strains, hematomas, fractured or dislocated fingers, toenail/fingernail issues, back spasms, strained hip flexors, tight hamstrings. All of these can affect range of motion, explosiveness, change of direction and more. Plus, people are wired differently - some are able to block out pain more easily than others. In addition, you have the various common viruses -- cold, flu, mono, etc. in a campus environment. All teams face these so how you deal with it is a difference maker. What is much more difficult to control are injuries -- those that severely limit or keep players out of the lineup. 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