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Ted Thompson
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MAC Tournament Pairings

Posted: 2/21/2018 10:06:07 AM

Might as well get this started.

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RE: MAC Tournament Pairings

Posted: 2/21/2018 12:09:38 PM

I've been watching this a little, with the hope of getting a home game. Miami and Akron getting W's last night put a little dent in that. Bottom line is that Ohio would have to pass either BG or Miami. Good news is, they get to play them both, so beating them both leaves open a chance of that happening.

It's possible too, because Miami's next two are at Akron and at Kent, plus playing Ohio on the last weekend. BG is at Kent and at Ohio, then hosts UB.
Ya never know!

The close losses at Kent, to CMU, at Akron, at EMU all show up big now.

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RE: MAC Tournament Pairings

Posted: 2/25/2018 10:04:40 AM

With just one week to go in the regular season... 👀

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RE: MAC Tournament Pairings

Posted: 2/25/2018 10:50:37 AM

If we win two and BG loses two, who gets the tie breaker?

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RE: MAC Tournament Pairings

Posted: 2/25/2018 11:07:44 AM

So we have to win two and BG has to lose to UB. Good news is I think each of Central, Northern, and Akron will lose out.

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RE: MAC Tournament Pairings

Posted: 2/25/2018 1:08:49 PM

I guess I didn't realize that Miami came back to beat Akron. They had like 26 points at the 10 minute mark in the second half when I switched to Ohio & Buffalo.

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RE: MAC Tournament Pairings

Posted: 2/25/2018 1:10:49 PM

Gonna have to find that Kron Presser to see what JG says about the team losing a lead. He was pretty brutal in those types of losses picking who was going to be the media reps and making them endure the presser and answer for the team.

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RE: MAC Tournament Pairings

Posted: 2/25/2018 1:42:02 PM

I think tiebreakers are first head to head and then records vs. the top of the standings on down. So it may come down to where Ball State, Western or Eastern ends up and how Ohio/BG performed against those teams?

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RE: MAC Tournament Pairings

Posted: 2/26/2018 5:08:20 PM

Tie-Breakers Here: http://getsomemaction.com/sports/2015/3/4/MBB_0304150307....

For the sake of this post, I'm going to be an optimist here and hold out hope that the Bobcats can put together a run next week.

Just musing on where the Bobcats might fall:

Possible #8 Teams:
BG: 7-9
Ohio: 5-11
Akron: 5-11
Central: 5-11
Northern: 5-11

Bobcats Schedule: BG, @Miami
BG Schedule: @Ohio, BUFFALO
Akron Schedule: @Buffalo, KENT
Central: BALL, WESTERN
Northern: TOLEDO, BALL

Scenario A: Ohio wins out, BG loses out, Ohio is tied with BG and no other schools at 7-11 for #8:
H2H: Draw
Division Record: Ohio takes the #8 with 5 division wins to BG's 4

Scenario B: Ohio wins out, BG loses out, Ohio is tied with BG and additional team(s) at 7-11 for #8:
Record Amongst Tied Teams: Depends who the other team(s) might be. Akron is bad news for Ohio with a 2-0 record against BG. Central is bad news with two wins over Ohio and a win over BG. Northern is less of a problem with a loss to Ohio and 1-1 against BG..... I'll let someone else go into 4-way and 5-way tiebreakers, as either of those are possible at this point.

All of that said, if Ohio is #8, they should be a tight favorite no matter who #9 is (would likely be BG, or, could be one of Akron/Central/Northern). With a win, the Bobcats would then need to face Buffalo in Cleveland.

I would argue that #12 isn't necessarily a bad place to be. The Bobcats have had a difficult year, no doubt about it. But does going on the road @Miami/@Kent/@Western/@Eastern really scare anyone this year? Cats are an underdog in any of those games, but a tight underdog. Then go into Cleveland and face another one of the aforementioned teams on a neutral floor before running into Buffalo/hoping for Buffalo to be upset.

I'm not necessarily rooting for the Bobcats to finish #12. And I realize that if it does indeed happen, it means the Bobcats could lose their last two games and will feel beaten up with three losses in a row before the tournament (though finishing 1-1 and #12 is very much a possibility). What I am saying is, the #12 is arguably an easier path to winning the tournament than #7-11.

I'm not giving up hope for some March magic. And before prognosticating any scenario, the primary hope for this injury plagued team should be to go into next week with the best health outlook possible and see what happens from there.

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RE: MAC Tournament Pairings

Posted: 2/27/2018 7:46:24 AM

ouallday wrote:

Tie-Breakers Here: http://getsomemaction.com/sports/2015/3/4/MBB_0304150307....

For the sake of this post, I'm going to be an optimist here and hold out hope that the Bobcats can put together a run next week.

Just musing on where the Bobcats might fall:

Possible #8 Teams:
BG: 7-9
Ohio: 5-11
Akron: 5-11
Central: 5-11
Northern: 5-11

Bobcats Schedule: BG, @Miami
BG Schedule: @Ohio, BUFFALO
Akron Schedule: @Buffalo, KENT
Central: BALL, WESTERN
Northern: TOLEDO, BALL

Scenario A: Ohio wins out, BG loses out, Ohio is tied with BG and no other schools at 7-11 for #8:
H2H: Draw
Division Record: Ohio takes the #8 with 5 division wins to BG's 4

Scenario B: Ohio wins out, BG loses out, Ohio is tied with BG and additional team(s) at 7-11 for #8:
Record Amongst Tied Teams: Depends who the other team(s) might be. Akron is bad news for Ohio with a 2-0 record against BG. Central is bad news with two wins over Ohio and a win over BG. Northern is less of a problem with a loss to Ohio and 1-1 against BG..... I'll let someone else go into 4-way and 5-way tiebreakers, as either of those are possible at this point.

All of that said, if Ohio is #8, they should be a tight favorite no matter who #9 is (would likely be BG, or, could be one of Akron/Central/Northern). With a win, the Bobcats would then need to face Buffalo in Cleveland.

I would argue that #12 isn't necessarily a bad place to be. The Bobcats have had a difficult year, no doubt about it. But does going on the road @mailto:Miami/@Kent/@Western/@Eastern really scare anyone this year? Cats are an underdog in any of those games, but a tight underdog. Then go into Cleveland and face another one of the aforementioned teams on a neutral floor before running into Buffalo/hoping for Buffalo to be upset.

I'm not necessarily rooting for the Bobcats to finish #12. And I realize that if it does indeed happen, it means the Bobcats could lose their last two games and will feel beaten up with three losses in a row before the tournament (though finishing 1-1 and #12 is very much a possibility). What I am saying is, the #12 is arguably an easier path to winning the tournament than #7-11.

I'm not giving up hope for some March magic. And before prognosticating any scenario, the primary hope for this injury plagued team should be to go into next week with the best health outlook possible and see what happens from there.

I guess it depends on what side of the bracket you'd rather be on: Buffalo or Toledo. I said it in another thread, but wherever the Bobcats end up playing in round one, I just really hope it's not WMU.

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RE: MAC Tournament Pairings

Posted: 2/27/2018 8:43:56 AM

ouallday wrote:

Tie-Breakers Here: http://getsomemaction.com/sports/2015/3/4/MBB_0304150307....

Scenario A: Ohio wins out, BG loses out, Ohio is tied with BG and no other schools at 7-11 for #8:
H2H: Draw
Division Record: Ohio takes the #8 with 5 division wins to BG's 4

It goes a little deeper than that. The Division Record tie breaker is only used for determining a division champ. In this scenario it would be skipped and go to the winning percentage from 1 seed down. Both would be win-less against UB, Toledo and BSU and undefeated against EMU. It would come down to who finishes higher in the standings, Miami (Ohio 2-0 vs. BG 1-1) or WMU (BG 1-0 vs Ohio 0-1).

Unfortunately for Ohio, Miami is already a game back of WMU, and assuming a loss to Ohio for this to be relevant, the best they could do is tie with WMU. WMU is 2-0 against Miami so it would take some multi-team tie breaker for them to finish below Miami under this scenario.

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RE: MAC Tournament Pairings

Posted: 2/27/2018 9:04:56 AM

The only scenario I could find to give Ohio the #8 would be a 3-way tie with BG and NIU. Ohio would be 1-1 against BG and 1-0 against NIU. BG would be 1-1 against both Ohio and NIU. NIU would be 1-1 against BG and 0-1 against Ohio. So Ohio would win the tie breaker with the highest winning percentage against tied teams.

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RE: MAC Tournament Pairings

Posted: 2/27/2018 2:15:16 PM

Ah yes, I stand corrected on tie breakers, as it looks very difficult for the #8 given division record is not part of the equation.

As for the Toledo side of the bracket, I don't like the idea of potentially having to play Buffalo, Toledo AND Ball State. Playing the #2 or #3 side could bring this into play. I feel like there is steady drop from Toledo to Ball St, but another steady drop from Ball St to whoever is #4, and virtually no drop from #4 to #7, maybe even down to #10/#11. Sneaking in and playing the #4 in the quarterfinals means only playing two of the top three schools at max.

Again, most important thing is to be as healthy as possible given our circumstances, then see what happens.

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RE: MAC Tournament Pairings

Posted: 2/27/2018 3:00:17 PM

Eagle66 wrote:

Obviously winning out is necessary to get to that #8 seed. I didn't do the permutations for the 3-way tie scenarios short of knowing that CMU beats Ohio in those tie-breakers with the head to head.

That said, it's entirely possible that Ohio wins the last two, BG loses their last two, and everyone else (NIU, Akron, CMU) in the conversation does not win out in their final two. In that scenario, I'm pretty sure Ohio is the #8 seed.

At the end of the day, I'm rooting for the guys to win out, and we'll see what happens when the dust settles on Friday night.

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RE: MAC Tournament Pairings

Posted: 2/27/2018 3:16:14 PM

OU_Country wrote:

That said, it's entirely possible that Ohio wins the last two, BG loses their last two, and everyone else (NIU, Akron, CMU) in the conversation does not win out in their final two. In that scenario, I'm pretty sure Ohio is the #8 seed.

They would lose the tie breaker to BG based on a winning percentage from top down, specifically at WMU. (see a few posts above for details)

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RE: MAC Tournament Pairings

Posted: 2/27/2018 11:40:44 PM

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RE: MAC Tournament Pairings

Posted: 2/28/2018 10:44:44 AM

So it's possible Ohio could play Miami in Oxford twice in a row? Brutal.

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RE: MAC Tournament Pairings

Posted: 2/28/2018 10:53:18 AM

Eagle66 wrote:

OU_Country wrote:

They would lose the tie breaker to BG based on a winning percentage from top down, specifically at WMU. (see a few posts above for details)

Thanks. I missed the little star pointing out head to head, and that it's only used for division champion tie breaks. It begs the question - when are they gonna ditch the divisions? The only use I perceive is not having to figure out another way to build the conference schedule.

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RE: MAC Tournament Pairings

Posted: 2/28/2018 8:06:47 PM

OhioStunter wrote:

So it's possible Ohio could play Miami in Oxford twice in a row? Brutal.

I know, can you imagine spending an entire 4 day weekend in Oxford? Yuck.

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RE: MAC Tournament Pairings

Posted: 3/2/2018 10:13:24 PM

Eagle66 wrote:

With one game left, there are 2 scenarios for seeding left. If Western beats Central, Ohio plays at BG. If Central wins, Ohio heads back to Oxford.

Western Michigan over Central Michigan wrote:

1 - Buffalo (15-3)
2 - Toledo (13-5)
3 - Eastern Michigan (11-7)
4 - Western Michigan (10-8)^
5 - Ball St. (10-8)^
6 - Kent (9-9)
7 - Miami (8-10)
8 - Bowling Green (7-11)*
9 - Ohio (7-11)*
10 - Akron (6-12)&
11 - Central Michigan (6-12)&
12 - Northern Illinois (6-12)&

^Ball St. / Western Michigan - Western Michigan wins tie breaker with 2-0 record head to head.

*Bowling Green / Ohio - Split Head to head. Same winning % against #1 UB, #2 Toledo & #3 EMU. Bowling Green wins tie breaker with a better winning % against #4 Western Michigan (1-0 vs. 0-1)

%Central Michigan / Akron / Northern Illinois - Combined head to head records - Central Michigan 2-1 (0-1, 2-0), Akron 2-0 (1-0, 1-0), Northern Illinois 0-3 (0-1, 0-2). Based on winning % Akron gets #10, Central Michigan #11, Northern Illinois #12.

Central Michigan over Western Michigan wrote:

1 - Buffalo (15-3)
2 - Toledo (13-5)
3 - Eastern Michigan (11-7)
4 - Ball St. (10-8)
5 - Kent (9-9)^
6 - Western Michigan (9-9)^
7 - Miami (8-10)
8 - Central Michigan (7-11)*
9 - Bowling Green (7-11)*
10 - Ohio (7-11)*
11 - Akron (6-12)&
12 - Northern Illinois (6-12)&

^Kent / Western Michigan - Kent wins tie breaker with 1-0 record head to head.

*Bowling Green / Ohio / Central Michigan - Combined head to head records - Bowling Green 1-2 (1-1, 0-1), Ohio 1-3 (1-1, 0-2), Central Michigan 3-0 (1-0, 2-0). Based on winning % Central Michigan gets #8, Bowling Green #9, Ohio #10.

&Akron / Northern Illinois - Akron wins tie breaker with 1-0 record head to head.

Quoted from the other thread - might as well merge it here.

Good stuff, I was just about to post this.

So --- I'm rooting for CMU.

If WMU wins we get the #9 seed and we have to play:
a) at Bowling Green (house of literal horrors for us - lost there by 16 this year)
b) if we manage a win we'd play #1 Buffalo in Cleveland (ouch!)

vs.

If CMU wins we get the #10 seed and we have to play:
a) at Miami (we just beat them there by 9 and have won 4 straight in Oxford) edit: can we beat them 3 times in 6 games? :).
b) if we manage a win we'd play #2 Toledo in Cleveland (not pretty either but IMO a much better matchup for us).

Last Edited: 3/2/2018 10:16:40 PM by GraffZ06

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RE: MAC Tournament Pairings

Posted: 3/2/2018 10:30:15 PM

The Central western Game will be at 11 AM tomorrow.

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With the lockdown on the CMU campus still in effect, the Western Michigan vs. Central Michigan men�s basketball game has been rescheduled and will take place at Riepma Arena on the campus of Northwood University (Midland, Mich.) at 11:00 am ET on Saturday, March 3rd. The game will be closed to the public, with the exception of family members that have been identified on each institutions� team lists.

http://getsomemaction.com/news/2018/3/2/general-mac-annou...

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RE: MAC Tournament Pairings

Posted: 3/2/2018 10:46:08 PM

That's an odd decision.

I get that CMU is still on lockdown so they had to move the game. Also understand that it needed to happen on short notice in order to finalize standings before the conference tournament. All that makes sense.

But, why in the world is it closed to the public???

Obviously safety first but is that honestly a concern with the game moved to a new venue any more/less than any other game? Just seems really odd to me *shrugs*.

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RE: MAC Tournament Pairings

Posted: 3/2/2018 11:25:18 PM

Might be a staffing issue for the facility hosting the game on short notice. Much easier to manage a crowd of a few hundred people than a few thousand.

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RE: MAC Tournament Pairings

Posted: 3/2/2018 11:25:23 PM

GraffZ06 wrote:

Realistically, even if they hadn�t listed it as closed to the public, it would have likely only been a friends and family crowd anyway. Venue change, morning game, directional Michigans involved all
don�t lend themselves to the turnstiles getting much of a workout.

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RE: MAC Tournament Pairings

Posted: 3/2/2018 11:32:15 PM

Tom Valentino wrote:

Might be a staffing issue for the facility hosting the game on short notice. Much easier to manage a crowd of a few hundred people than a few thousand.

Good point - you might be correct.

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