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  Message Not Read  OGs flashback. Palambizio
   Posted: 1/1/2019 12:46:43 PM 
Several old guys still ask about him. Article catching up https://www.nwitimes.com/sports/basketball/college/indian...

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   Posted: 1/1/2019 1:19:34 PM 
Thanks for the link -- that's an interesting read. Much respect to Dan for his role as a small business owner and recreation leader in the corrections system -- that's a productive citizen. Cool that his children all played college sports. I remember I saw a son play for Oakland vs. Wright State a few years back.

Those were heady days for the MAC when he played at Ball State. Both Palombizio and Ron Harper of M%^&i averaged a double/double in the 1984-85 season. Dan was one of those guys opposing fans loved to hate because he was physical and talked a bit during games. And, he was a player who could often back it up.

But, in the MAC semis in 1985 he couldn't keep up with Harper who set the tournament single game scoring record that night. I think Harper had 45 points and somewhere around 20 rebounds, too. It was an amazing thing to witness at Savage Hall. You can make a case for Gary Trent and a couple others, but I think Harper is the best overall player I've every seen in person through MACtion-- first to score 2,000+ points and have 1,000+ rebounds.

M#$%i easily won that semi-final, but fell to our Bobcats the next night at Savage Hall. We had barely escaped Kent State in the semis. It was an epic post-game party at the team hotel afterwards - one of the highlights of my time as a fan.

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   Posted: 1/1/2019 2:05:34 PM 
Joe McKinley wrote:
Thanks for the link -- that's an interesting read. Much respect to Dan for his role as a small business owner and recreation leader in the corrections system -- that's a productive citizen. Cool that his children all played college sports. I remember I saw a son play for Oakland vs. Wright State a few years back.

Those were heady days for the MAC when he played at Ball State. Both Palombizio and Ron Harper of M%^&i averaged a double/double in the 1984-85 season. Dan was one of those guys opposing fans loved to hate because he was physical and talked a bit during games. And, he was a player who could often back it up.

But, in the MAC semis in 1985 he couldn't keep up with Harper who set the tournament single game scoring record that night. I think Harper had 45 points and somewhere around 20 rebounds, too. It was an amazing thing to witness at Savage Hall. You can make a case for Gary Trent and a couple others, but I think Harper is the best overall player I've every seen in person through MACtion-- first to score 2,000+ points and have 1,000+ rebounds.

M#$%i easily won that semi-final, but fell to our Bobcats the next night at Savage Hall. We had barely escaped Kent State in the semis. It was an epic post-game party at the team hotel afterwards - one of the highlights of my time as a fan.


I have faint, but not indictable, memories of that party, Joe. Also recall Harper telling Dan he'd show him who was the real MAC MVP prior to the game.....that was before Eddie Hicks shut him down. Harper probably still has nightmares about Eddie's suffocating defense.

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   Posted: 1/1/2019 9:47:08 PM 
Why should he have any regrets? He said twice in the article “woulda, coulda, shoulda”.
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   Posted: 1/2/2019 10:37:51 AM 
Thanks Bornacatfan for that link, I think I might have originally linked to that a year or so ago with some post reflecting on the talent level in the MAC during mid 80s and our magical 1986-86 season. What a time to watch basketball in the Convo, which of course returned the favor with a truly raucous environment. I appreciated Dan Palombizio's (or the Biz or Danny as Coach Danny Nee referred to him) honesty in the article. When one mentions regrets in their lives, I look at it as honesty and perhaps a lesson for young people on mistakes not to make. It is amazing that back then Mr. Indiana basketball might have to set out for a season and redshirt.

Nowadays it might be one and done and off to the NBA. Although he had a great shot for a big man Dan was a bit slow for the NBA, something I was reminded of when I called into the Danny Nee show and ask the coach. Coach Nee stated that he hoped he was wrong but he doesn't see Danny in the NBA on a long term basis. Thanks Bornacatfan for letting us children of the 80s reminisce a little!
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   Posted: 1/2/2019 11:10:04 AM 
Nice article, thanks for posting. I'll bet he's having a huge impact on those inmates he's working with.

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   Posted: 1/2/2019 11:18:01 AM 
oldkatz wrote:
Joe McKinley wrote:
Thanks for the link -- that's an interesting read. Much respect to Dan for his role as a small business owner and recreation leader in the corrections system -- that's a productive citizen. Cool that his children all played college sports. I remember I saw a son play for Oakland vs. Wright State a few years back.

Those were heady days for the MAC when he played at Ball State. Both Palombizio and Ron Harper of M%^&i averaged a double/double in the 1984-85 season. Dan was one of those guys opposing fans loved to hate because he was physical and talked a bit during games. And, he was a player who could often back it up.

But, in the MAC semis in 1985 he couldn't keep up with Harper who set the tournament single game scoring record that night. I think Harper had 45 points and somewhere around 20 rebounds, too. It was an amazing thing to witness at Savage Hall. You can make a case for Gary Trent and a couple others, but I think Harper is the best overall player I've every seen in person through MACtion-- first to score 2,000+ points and have 1,000+ rebounds.

M#$%i easily won that semi-final, but fell to our Bobcats the next night at Savage Hall. We had barely escaped Kent State in the semis. It was an epic post-game party at the team hotel afterwards - one of the highlights of my time as a fan.


I have faint, but not indictable, memories of that party, Joe. Also recall Harper telling Dan he'd show him who was the real MAC MVP prior to the game.....that was before Eddie Hicks shut him down. Harper probably still has nightmares about Eddie's suffocating defense.



And speaking of faint memories, I "remember" Eddie Hicks shutting down Palambizio and Harper in the same season in the Convo. Best Bobcat defender I've seen in the last 40 years.
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Brian Smith (No, not that one)
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   Posted: 1/2/2019 12:27:31 PM 
My father-in-law coached him at Rogers, so I've heard plenty of stories about his high school career.

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   Posted: 1/2/2019 2:56:38 PM 
Joe McKinley wrote:
Thanks for the link -- that's an interesting read. Much respect to Dan for his role as a small business owner and recreation leader in the corrections system -- that's a productive citizen. Cool that his children all played college sports. I remember I saw a son play for Oakland vs. Wright State a few years back.

Those were heady days for the MAC when he played at Ball State. Both Palombizio and Ron Harper of M%^&i averaged a double/double in the 1984-85 season. Dan was one of those guys opposing fans loved to hate because he was physical and talked a bit during games. And, he was a player who could often back it up.

But, in the MAC semis in 1985 he couldn't keep up with Harper who set the tournament single game scoring record that night. I think Harper had 45 points and somewhere around 20 rebounds, too. It was an amazing thing to witness at Savage Hall. You can make a case for Gary Trent and a couple others, but I think Harper is the best overall player I've every seen in person through MACtion-- first to score 2,000+ points and have 1,000+ rebounds.

M#$%i easily won that semi-final, but fell to our Bobcats the next night at Savage Hall. We had barely escaped Kent State in the semis. It was an epic post-game party at the team hotel afterwards - one of the highlights of my time as a fan.



Joe you are right about Ron Harper. I never forget him coming into the Convo on a Wednesday night in 1986 before a near sellout crowd, and by halftime completely taking the air out of the arena with his dominant performance. To Alan's point, Eddie Hicks was gone by then and his masterful shutdown of Dan Palombizio the season before was urgently needed that night. As I fondly look back on those electrifying crowds and the amazing talent the Bobcats had (as well as opposing teams,) there is a bit of sadness of what could have been had the MAC been able to sustain that type of talent within the conference. That night I particularly referenced with regard to Miami coming into the Convo in 1986, it is hard to believe that there were three future NBA players on the Convo floor (Bobcats Snoopy Graham and Dave Jamerson and Miami's Ron Harper. Keep in mind Harper remained in the NBA until 15 years later when he retired from the Lakers in 2001)

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   Posted: 1/2/2019 4:21:57 PM 
cbus cat fan wrote:
As I fondly look back on those electrifying crowds and the amazing talent the Bobcats had (as well as opposing teams,) there is a bit of sadness of what could have been had the MAC been able to sustain that type of talent within the conference. That night I particularly referenced with regard to Miami coming into the Convo in 1986, it is hard to believe that there were three future NBA players on the Convo floor (Bobcats Snoopy Graham and Dave Jamerson and Miami's Ron Harper. Keep in mind Harper remained in the NBA until 15 years later when he retired from the Lakers in 2001)


I contemplated the demise of the MAC mentioned above by cbus cat fan while sitting in the Convo Sunday. Alan texted me late in the game, comparing the competition between Ohio and FIU as a glorified middle school game. That might be a bit extreme, but it was definitely not a packed house with 3 former NBA players on the floor as mentioned above by cbus cat fan.

I concluded that a major reason for just how diluted DI hoops has become is due to nearly 350 schools competing for a limited number of DI talent. While this doesn't affect the bluebloods, it has definitely had a negative impact on MAC hoops.
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   Posted: 1/2/2019 4:30:41 PM 
bobcatsquared wrote:
cbus cat fan wrote:
As I fondly look back on those electrifying crowds and the amazing talent the Bobcats had (as well as opposing teams,) there is a bit of sadness of what could have been had the MAC been able to sustain that type of talent within the conference. That night I particularly referenced with regard to Miami coming into the Convo in 1986, it is hard to believe that there were three future NBA players on the Convo floor (Bobcats Snoopy Graham and Dave Jamerson and Miami's Ron Harper. Keep in mind Harper remained in the NBA until 15 years later when he retired from the Lakers in 2001)


I contemplated the demise of the MAC mentioned above by cbus cat fan while sitting in the Convo Sunday. Alan texted me late in the game, comparing the competition between Ohio and FIU as a glorified middle school game. That might be a bit extreme, but it was definitely not a packed house with 3 former NBA players on the floor as mentioned above by cbus cat fan.

I concluded that a major reason for just how diluted DI hoops has become is due to nearly 350 schools competing for a limited number of DI talent. While this doesn't affect the bluebloods, it has definitely had a negative impact on MAC hoops.


The text read "Just told the (fan sitting behind me) that this looks like a bad jr high game." At times it did with all of the long diagonal passes that kept getting intercepted. 23 turnovers by one team is a big number. That said, I miss the "characters" that we used to have in the MAC like Palambizio, Snoopy, Spindle Graves, Devin Davis, Earl Boykins, etc.
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   Posted: 1/2/2019 5:44:06 PM 
bobcatsquared wrote:
cbus cat fan wrote:
As I fondly look back on those electrifying crowds and the amazing talent the Bobcats had (as well as opposing teams,) there is a bit of sadness of what could have been had the MAC been able to sustain that type of talent within the conference. That night I particularly referenced with regard to Miami coming into the Convo in 1986, it is hard to believe that there were three future NBA players on the Convo floor (Bobcats Snoopy Graham and Dave Jamerson and Miami's Ron Harper. Keep in mind Harper remained in the NBA until 15 years later when he retired from the Lakers in 2001)


I contemplated the demise of the MAC mentioned above by cbus cat fan while sitting in the Convo Sunday. Alan texted me late in the game, comparing the competition between Ohio and FIU as a glorified middle school game. That might be a bit extreme, but it was definitely not a packed house with 3 former NBA players on the floor as mentioned above by cbus cat fan.

I concluded that a major reason for just how diluted DI hoops has become is due to nearly 350 schools competing for a limited number of DI talent. While this doesn't affect the bluebloods, it has definitely had a negative impact on MAC hoops.


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   Posted: 1/2/2019 9:20:26 PM 
Spindle Graves? You're putting Spindle in the same category as Snoopy and Palambizio and Devin Davis?

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   Posted: 1/3/2019 10:39:19 AM 
D.A. wrote:
bobcatsquared wrote:
cbus cat fan wrote:
As I fondly look back on those electrifying crowds and the amazing talent the Bobcats had (as well as opposing teams,) there is a bit of sadness of what could have been had the MAC been able to sustain that type of talent within the conference. That night I particularly referenced with regard to Miami coming into the Convo in 1986, it is hard to believe that there were three future NBA players on the Convo floor (Bobcats Snoopy Graham and Dave Jamerson and Miami's Ron Harper. Keep in mind Harper remained in the NBA until 15 years later when he retired from the Lakers in 2001)


I contemplated the demise of the MAC mentioned above by cbus cat fan while sitting in the Convo Sunday. Alan texted me late in the game, comparing the competition between Ohio and FIU as a glorified middle school game. That might be a bit extreme, but it was definitely not a packed house with 3 former NBA players on the floor as mentioned above by cbus cat fan.

I concluded that a major reason for just how diluted DI hoops has become is due to nearly 350 schools competing for a limited number of DI talent. While this doesn't affect the bluebloods, it has definitely had a negative impact on MAC hoops.


281 teams in the '85/'86, season: 70 more teams today, or 910 players now spread across the D1 spectrum.


One-and-done's play into that as well. The big programs have tons of playing time open in every recruiting class now. In the mid-80s players were just starting to forego their senior seasons. So there were more good players looking at mids so they wouldn't have to sit for two years behind established stars.
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   Posted: 1/3/2019 11:41:39 AM 
OUVan wrote:
D.A. wrote:
bobcatsquared wrote:
cbus cat fan wrote:
As I fondly look back on those electrifying crowds and the amazing talent the Bobcats had (as well as opposing teams,) there is a bit of sadness of what could have been had the MAC been able to sustain that type of talent within the conference. That night I particularly referenced with regard to Miami coming into the Convo in 1986, it is hard to believe that there were three future NBA players on the Convo floor (Bobcats Snoopy Graham and Dave Jamerson and Miami's Ron Harper. Keep in mind Harper remained in the NBA until 15 years later when he retired from the Lakers in 2001)


I contemplated the demise of the MAC mentioned above by cbus cat fan while sitting in the Convo Sunday. Alan texted me late in the game, comparing the competition between Ohio and FIU as a glorified middle school game. That might be a bit extreme, but it was definitely not a packed house with 3 former NBA players on the floor as mentioned above by cbus cat fan.

I concluded that a major reason for just how diluted DI hoops has become is due to nearly 350 schools competing for a limited number of DI talent. While this doesn't affect the bluebloods, it has definitely had a negative impact on MAC hoops.


281 teams in the '85/'86, season: 70 more teams today, or 910 players now spread across the D1 spectrum.


One-and-done's play into that as well. The big programs have tons of playing time open in every recruiting class now. In the mid-80s players were just starting to forego their senior seasons. So there were more good players looking at mids so they wouldn't have to sit for two years behind established stars.


I think this is it more than anything else. The one advantage Miami and Ohio and Ball State had in recruiting was taken away.
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   Posted: 1/3/2019 10:46:19 PM 
Brian Smith wrote:
OUVan wrote:
D.A. wrote:
bobcatsquared wrote:
cbus cat fan wrote:
As I fondly look back on those electrifying crowds and the amazing talent the Bobcats had (as well as opposing teams,) there is a bit of sadness of what could have been had the MAC been able to sustain that type of talent within the conference. That night I particularly referenced with regard to Miami coming into the Convo in 1986, it is hard to believe that there were three future NBA players on the Convo floor (Bobcats Snoopy Graham and Dave Jamerson and Miami's Ron Harper. Keep in mind Harper remained in the NBA until 15 years later when he retired from the Lakers in 2001)


I contemplated the demise of the MAC mentioned above by cbus cat fan while sitting in the Convo Sunday. Alan texted me late in the game, comparing the competition between Ohio and FIU as a glorified middle school game. That might be a bit extreme, but it was definitely not a packed house with 3 former NBA players on the floor as mentioned above by cbus cat fan.

I concluded that a major reason for just how diluted DI hoops has become is due to nearly 350 schools competing for a limited number of DI talent. While this doesn't affect the bluebloods, it has definitely had a negative impact on MAC hoops.


281 teams in the '85/'86, season: 70 more teams today, or 910 players now spread across the D1 spectrum.


One-and-done's play into that as well. The big programs have tons of playing time open in every recruiting class now. In the mid-80s players were just starting to forego their senior seasons. So there were more good players looking at mids so they wouldn't have to sit for two years behind established stars.


I think this is it more than anything else. The one advantage Miami and Ohio and Ball State had in recruiting was taken away.



I would agree the one and done has affected this but I also think cable and national media has taken away some of local recruiting advantages that Illinois, Indiana and many others had keeping kids at home. Think Magic would have stayed in MI or any of the Illinois kids that ended up at Duke would not have been Illini pre cable?

My opinion on the numbers is swayed a bit when looking at the 80's. Yes, there are more teams but I think with the advent of Summer Ball and the coaching at the HS level and Exposure Camps/Events there are more kids with better skill development playing the game than there ever has been. I almost wonder if this net outcome is not somewhat of a wash.

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