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Topic: Saul Legacy: 3 Missed Trips To Cleveland In 5 Years-Bye Saul

Topic: Saul Legacy: 3 Missed Trips To Cleveland In 5 Years-Bye Saul

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FearLeon
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Saul Legacy: 3 Missed Trips To Cleveland In 5 Years-Bye Saul

Posted: 3/11/2019 10:35:29 PM

For some dumb reason, I really thought this team was going to fight and win tonight. I thought there is no way an Ohio basketball team can miss playing in Cleveland three times over a five year stretch. I guess it's only fitting it ends this way...a third loss in one season to Northern Illinois. Never thought I'd ever utter that phrase as well.

Saul's five year record at Ohio will show 81 Wins 77 losses. He walks away from Ohio pocketing more than $2,500,000. That comes out to $30,864 per win. Something tells me he won't be making that much per win next season at Nicolet Area Technical College (google it). I hear that program could sure use a "nice guy".

We've now missed playing March hoops in Cleveland for two straight years. That should never, ever happen at Ohio. The Saul Ball era has been an epic failure. Now it's finally time to turn the page and look to the future. The pressure is on Jim Schaus to get the next one right.

Last Edited: 3/11/2019 10:43:10 PM by FearLeon

#BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT

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RE: Saul Legacy: 3 Missed Trips To Cleveland In 5 Years-Bye Saul

Posted: 3/11/2019 11:01:03 PM

Rather appropriate for this thread:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMVjToYOjbM

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RE: Saul Legacy: 3 Missed Trips To Cleveland In 5 Years-Bye Saul

Posted: 3/11/2019 11:21:03 PM

What could have gone wrong taking a guy from Wisconsin/North Dakota and asking him to recruit outside his base in a totally new and unfamiliar conference? This thing was a smoldering mistake from the beginning. Honestly, IMO still not as big of a mistake as bringing in Jim Christian after the best season in Ohio history, but a mistake nonetheless.

I didn't want to post in the other thread (retain Saul Phillips) today, as I was busy and didn't want to jinx things. However, if you think we should continue this forgettable era of Ohio basketball history, you need your head examined - STAT. Just grading the situation:

Recruiting is a D-.
In Game Management might be an F.
Fan interest/excitement is a Q.
Player Development is a solid C.
Scheduling may be a B- overall, but the home schedule is a D+.
Personality is an A+

There is absolutely nothing in this 5 year body of work that screams retention. Nothing.

Now that it's all out of the way - my list:

1. Pitino - Pick up the phone. The man can coach. What a missed opportunity if he sits out another year. We go from MAC Pretender to MAC Contender with one phone call. Also, because the mere mention pisses Arkley off so much.

2. Chris Jans - Don't care about history. Don't. Care.

3. Mark Montgomery - Still think he's one of the best Coaches in this league, just in a terrible situation at NIU. TK at Toledo is the other one I would grab in a heartbeat. Obviously this is contingent on availability.

4. Jeff Boals - I give. Tapping out. Knows the region. Knows the conference. Clearly knows the University. Results have been sufficient. Give him a try.

5. John Brannen - I suspect his phone will be ringing pretty consistently, and we'll forgive his Marshall ties.

People, we are clearly at rock bottom for this program. As far as I go, Schaus has whiffed on the last two. Three strikes and you're out.

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RE: Saul Legacy: 3 Missed Trips To Cleveland In 5 Years-Bye Saul

Posted: 3/11/2019 11:26:31 PM

Bobcat Love wrote:

We have to think about recruiting ties as the most important part of the next hire. Need to hire someone who can go head to head against Toledo, Akron, Kent, and Buffalo and beat them for 3-star players.

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RE: Saul Legacy: 3 Missed Trips To Cleveland In 5 Years-Bye Saul

Posted: 3/11/2019 11:27:03 PM

Bobcat Love wrote:

2. Chris Jans - Don't care about history.

This is an even more embarrassing suggestion than Pitino.

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RE: Saul Legacy: 3 Missed Trips To Cleveland In 5 Years-Bye Saul

Posted: 3/11/2019 11:29:19 PM

shabamon wrote:

Bobcat Love wrote:

2. Chris Jans - Don't care about history.

This is an even more embarrassing suggestion than Pitino.

Why? Because he's making the most of his second chance? Because he's been successful at every stop in his career? Because he has MAC Recruiting knowledge? This guy would be THE Grand Slam behind Pitino.

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RE: Saul Legacy: 3 Missed Trips To Cleveland In 5 Years-Bye Saul

Posted: 3/11/2019 11:34:15 PM

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

Bobcat Love wrote:

100%
Couldn�t have said it better!

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RE: Saul Legacy: 3 Missed Trips To Cleveland In 5 Years-Bye Saul

Posted: 3/11/2019 11:36:23 PM

Jans is an interesting name...agree that could be a "slam dunk" hire.

If you support Frank Solich, and the second chance he's been provided, there's no room to talk about the issues regarding Pitino, Jans, etc. Off-court issues don't scare me away. Coaches deserve a second chance as much as anybody - programs are very quick to provide one to student-athletes.

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RE: Saul Legacy: 3 Missed Trips To Cleveland In 5 Years-Bye Saul

Posted: 3/11/2019 11:37:50 PM

https://youtu.be/_WbcCDgIbAw

I know you just said you don't care and I'm not going to change to change your opinion. Brannen or Boals would be outstanding and

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RE: Saul Legacy: 3 Missed Trips To Cleveland In 5 Years-Bye Saul

Posted: 3/11/2019 11:40:16 PM

Kelvin Sampson seems to be doing well for himself at Houston after being given another chance. Too many small thinkers around here. Need to learn to dream big.

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RE: Saul Legacy: 3 Missed Trips To Cleveland In 5 Years-Bye Saul

Posted: 3/11/2019 11:42:55 PM

shabamon wrote:

https://youtu.be/_WbcCDgIbAw

I know you just said you don't care and I'm not going to change to change your opinion. Brannen or Boals would be outstanding and

Fully aware of that situation. Coach Solich endangered lives by driving intoxicated. Again, if you're OK with that, I'm OK with a guy who made a poor decision at a bar.

If many of those on this board had the scrutiny provided to head coaches, I'd suspect there could be some unflattering articles/videos about many of us. Most of us have also lived a significant portion of our lives prior to the dawn of social media. All it takes is watching the news any given night to realize that almost everyone has a skeleton or two in the closet.

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RE: Saul Legacy: 3 Missed Trips To Cleveland In 5 Years-Bye Saul

Posted: 3/12/2019 12:40:36 AM

catfan28 wrote:

Correct - everyone deserve a second chance. Well maybe, the #metoo crowd say they don't. I took a quick look it appears Jans is at 500K at NMS. So what does the board think it would take to get him here??? 750 -800K ???? And how many #me too marches down to the Convo do we look for??

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RE: Saul Legacy: 3 Missed Trips To Cleveland In 5 Years-Bye Saul

Posted: 3/12/2019 12:55:14 AM

I say bring in a notorious global gunrunner, if, in fact, he has intensity, a willingness to bring in MAC level talent and above, and a desire to take no prisoners and make no more excuses. This Ohio program deserves to be feared as it has for so many years! Good character, my butt. Nice guys finish last. I want T.H.U.G.S: Talented, Huge, Ugly, and Game winning Sociopaths!!!

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RE: Saul Legacy: 3 Missed Trips To Cleveland In 5 Years-Bye Saul

Posted: 3/12/2019 8:11:48 AM

Bobcat Love wrote:

Maybe I'm just being stupid (been known to happen), but I actually think Christian would have kept us towards the top of the conference. I don't view that hire as a mistake. We had two pretty good years under JC and him leaving was a pretty big shock to most of us, I think. He was bringing in talent.

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RE: Saul Legacy: 3 Missed Trips To Cleveland In 5 Years-Bye Saul

Posted: 3/12/2019 8:22:38 AM

shabamon wrote:

https://youtu.be/_WbcCDgIbAw

I know you just said you don't care and I'm not going to change to change your opinion. Brannen or Boals would be outstanding and

Jans is not even remotely worth the cost (reputation, added political scrutiny OR dollars).

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RE: Saul Legacy: 3 Missed Trips To Cleveland In 5 Years-Bye Saul

Posted: 3/12/2019 8:33:20 AM

100%Cat wrote:

Bobcat Love wrote:

Must agree with 100% here. 49 wins in two years for Christian, in retrospect, wasn't too shabby. He almost certainly would have done better than Saul, had he stayed.

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RE: Saul Legacy: 3 Missed Trips To Cleveland In 5 Years-Bye Saul

Posted: 3/12/2019 8:58:42 AM

It's time.

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RE: Saul Legacy: 3 Missed Trips To Cleveland In 5 Years-Bye Saul

Posted: 3/12/2019 9:08:01 AM

brucecuth wrote:

100%Cat wrote:

Must agree with 100% here. 49 wins in two years for Christian, in retrospect, wasn't too shabby. He almost certainly would have done better than Saul, had he stayed.

I think he gets most of his grief for leaving so fast. Sure, he�s not Mr. Personality like those that bookended his tenure, but this team makes at least Thursday in Cleveland each of the past 5 years and probably hits 20 wins each time if he stays long term. I don�t know that there�s any titles in there given the trajectory of Buffalo, but you�re probably never playing a first round road game, and getting a bye at least half of the time

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RE: Saul Legacy: 3 Missed Trips To Cleveland In 5 Years-Bye Saul

Posted: 3/12/2019 9:31:05 AM

100%Cat wrote:

Agree that JC would've brought talent, if (from what I understand) the kids could learn to tolerate him. But his leaving wasn't much of a shock. He'd been to a "power" program at TCU and most everybody knew he wanted to get back to that level. Unfortunately for him, BC is in waaaaaay over it's head in the ACC. Too many programs with long-standing traditions of being in the top ten. They'd be better off pulling a reverse ND; Big East for b-ball and ACC for football.

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We will get by.
We will survive.

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RE: Saul Legacy: 3 Missed Trips To Cleveland In 5 Years-Bye Saul

Posted: 3/12/2019 10:07:01 AM

Pataskala wrote:

100%Cat wrote:

Stevie Taylor sure seems to like him. He is a grad assistant for him this year (and just got his master's degree).

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RE: Saul Legacy: 3 Missed Trips To Cleveland In 5 Years-Bye Saul

Posted: 3/12/2019 10:08:39 AM

Looks like JC might be available again. Just saying . . .

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RE: Saul Legacy: 3 Missed Trips To Cleveland In 5 Years-Bye Saul

Posted: 3/12/2019 10:26:26 AM

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

Recruiting, and style of play, for me are most important. I'd really like to see a team that can get after the opponent defensively, and create turnovers and run outs again.

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RE: Saul Legacy: 3 Missed Trips To Cleveland In 5 Years-Bye Saul

Posted: 3/12/2019 12:08:31 PM

Sonny Johnson

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: Saul Legacy: 3 Missed Trips To Cleveland In 5 Years-Bye Saul

Posted: 3/12/2019 12:30:39 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

Looks like JC might be available again. Just saying . . .

What a shocker...who didn't see this coming when that hire was made? No way he was going to survive more than his initial contract there. Where does he go next? Western Michigan?

Don't forget folks...the players on those Christian coached Ohio teams could not not stand him...except for maybe Stevie T.

#BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT

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RE: Saul Legacy: 3 Missed Trips To Cleveland In 5 Years-Bye Saul

Posted: 3/12/2019 1:06:12 PM

Maddog13 wrote:

So, you like Pitino then. LOL.

If it is not Boals, and boy is he the obvious choice or what, then we need to think about top assistants from places OSU, Michigan, WVU... (Don't know who they are. But seems like the logical place to look.)

Last Edited: 3/12/2019 1:10:44 PM by Ohio69

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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