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Bobcat Love
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We'd best stop discussing basketball...

Posted: 11/28/2010 9:31:48 PM

Tunji isn't too happy with Bobcat LOVE...

Tonight's Tweet:
If your a fair-weather fan, please don't celebrate with us when we win. Now that's not being a BOBCAT nor showing LOVE #subtweet

I won't lower myself to respond to a student-athlete on this, but he makes an interesting point. It appears his opinion is that all of us on this board should praise the team, no matter if they are losing by 57 or winning against Georgetown.

Unfortunately, I just can't be the type of person that pats people on the back when they are being embarrassed on National TV against their peers. I have to question the competitive desire of someone that wants to be coddled unconditionally no matter how poor the performance or the circumstances. Maybe this is what I keep hearing about today's youth. Heck, everyone does get a trophy.

The funny thing is, I'm pretty sure I'm not a fair weather fan. A fair weather fan would tell you things are great after wins, and terrible after losses...and eliminate any honest critique of performance. You don't have to look much further than the football board to see that I've been pretty much doom and gloom even in the face of an 8-4 season. Hardly fair weather. Maybe "foul weather" is a more apt description.

I try and be pretty honest about wins and losses with no emotional waivers applied. I was brutally honest in my statements after the Kansas game, and I was subsequently the first one on praising the team for bouncing back....because that's what the situation dictated. It has nothing to do with fair weather or being some hokey-jokey fan of Ohio Athletics. Additionally, I never negatively called out one kid by name in my Kansas post or in any of my other posts this year. By design, only positives or neutrals if a name is used.

The odd thing is that I've been nothing but complimentary of Tunji this year, as evidenced by my Delaware post, should you feel the need to read. Apparently, his sensitivity doesn't lend well to these kinds of forums, so going forward - we'll leave him out of any future analysis.

Oh well.

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RE: We'd best stop discussing basketball...

Posted: 11/28/2010 9:51:41 PM

I think is what he means is we shouldn't take losses like Kansas too hard and just trash the team. I mean come on it was Kansas, even I knew we didn't stand a chance. Now did I expect a 50 point loss? No. BUT, I still will cheer my butt off for them and will look forward to each game because I still think we will make some noise again this season. If anyone has doubts, it's still way too early. Reality is any team like that is not going to be like Georgetown because after that game no one is going to overlook us but instead break us down play by play and even down to the very steps each of our guys make so they can be sure that they won't be the next team to be upset by someone like OHIO.

Going back to his tweet. What he's saying is either we love them or just continually trash them as if we lose at all some of you guys jump all over them and talk about how we should just move down to div 2 or how we need to get rid of Groce because he "obviously doesn't know what he's doing" when these losses have come to teams that were already expected to beat us. Imagine what they must feel when they read that crap that some of us are embarrassed by the performance they put up against Kansas. Take all that into consideration if we lose to another big team. But take into consideration what the players must feel when you trash them.

The opposing team sucks!

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RE: We'd best stop discussing basketball...

Posted: 11/28/2010 9:58:32 PM

Guys, I'm begging you, STOP reading this forum. Please. There is no benefit to your being here.

Even if the people here don't fit your definition of fandom, they are true fans. Causing friction helps nothing.

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RE: We'd best stop discussing basketball...

Posted: 11/28/2010 10:14:52 PM

Bobcat Love wrote:

Tunji isn't too happy with Bobcat LOVE...

The odd thing is that I've been nothing but complimentary of Tunji this year, as evidenced by my Delaware post, should you feel the need to read. Apparently, his sensitivity doesn't lend well to these kinds of forums, so going forward - we'll leave him out of any future analysis.

Oh well.

Love...really.....

WHO CARES DUDE???

ELITIST WITH NO CLASS!!!

NOW GO SOMEWHERE AND SIT DOWN!

THAT OR GO PUT ON A JERSEY AND PLAY THE GAME YOURSELF!

NOT!

Last Edited: 11/28/2010 10:19:41 PM by STFUALREADY

Ohio69
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RE: We'd best stop discussing basketball...

Posted: 11/28/2010 10:14:56 PM

Bobcat Dragon wrote:

Hah. A guy who rips on individual players game to game, and of course rushes the court with them when they do well, doesn't want you to read the stuff about him ripping on you. He wants that conversation to go on behind your back I guess.

To the players: Just like no player or team is perfect. No fan or set of fans is either. But, remember there are several thousand folks who show up every game and got your back. Sure, they'll be frustrated at your struggles and might vent a bit. But, those several thousand keep showing up and are not ripping on you on the internet for all to see on message boards. Its tough, but try to keep that in mind.

Go Ohio !

Last Edited: 11/28/2010 10:17:31 PM by Ohio69

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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RE: We'd best stop discussing basketball...

Posted: 11/28/2010 10:26:17 PM

Bobcat Dragon wrote:

I agree, if you are a student athlete, stay away from this board. 90% of what we say about you will give you a big head, and the other 10% will make you want to pull your hair out. Don't take it personally, we're just a bunch of old(er) dudes who love OHIO and the sports teams that represent it. One day you'll miss your days in Athens too and guys like us will make a lot more sense to you, but for now, it's not worth looking at.

Now that that's said- Can we PLEASE be the adults in this scenario and stop posting tweets, or facebook posts, or rumors, or whatever from student athletes? Their opinion of us or any other topic doesn't need to be discussed and overly analyzed on a public message board. Seriously, stop.

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RE: We'd best stop discussing basketball...

Posted: 11/28/2010 10:37:19 PM

I nominate this as the strangest and most ridiculous thread I've ever read on this board. My basic reaction is "who cares." BL, please get a life. You are NOT the center of the universe, or even Bobcat fandom. There was NO need to start this thread whatsoever. Keep your tweeting and your followers and those you follow to yourself, unless you really get some breaking news via that venue. FYI: That Tunji is upset with you is not breaking news and no one else but you and he really care. You are just trying to put yourself at the center of another thread. Your behavior is much more childish than that coming from our young student athletes. At least, they are just making youthful mistakes.

Last Edited: 11/28/2010 10:42:15 PM by OhioCatFan

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RE: We'd best stop discussing basketball...

Posted: 11/28/2010 10:40:26 PM

Part of being apart of Division I revenue generating athletic teams means you're held to a higher standard. So if you post something to a social media site chances are someone is going to notice. There's a reason these same kids got their toys taken away at the beginning of the season. If they're not getting pissed off at the same people who cheered them on in Cleveland and Providence last year then they're posting about the games they're gambling on and how they're going to go out and party that night.

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RE: We'd best stop discussing basketball...

Posted: 11/28/2010 10:41:07 PM

I'd say at best you're a fair weather fan. Actually you're almost bi-polar. Go re-read your posts after the Kansas game. This includes he following:

"Based on everything I saw in Kent and Vegas today - this is a mid-level NAIA Athletic Department...AT BEST."

Ask yourself HOW you think a student athlete would feel after reading that drivel.

Then go read your posts after Santa Clara; you're back on the bandwagon.

This is a GAME played by kids 18-22 years old. Do you think they went out on the floor trying to lose by 57 to Kansas? Do you think the football team tried to lose to Kent?

But, as you always do, you kick them when they're down. That's one constant with you.

You're a hypocrite. You constantly rant about wanting to play top ranked teams in BOTH football and basketball. And then when we get trounced you verbally berate the program, coaches and student athletes. Classy.

Oh yeah, another of your quotes:

"It was like a JV High School team out there."

Any you wonder WHY a player might post what Tunji did? You really can't be that SLOW can you?

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RE: We'd best stop discussing basketball...

Posted: 11/28/2010 10:43:21 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

OCF:

You nailed it. Some people want -- and NEED -- to bring attention to themselves. And I think we all know WHO that is.
Glad I'm not that insecure.

Last Edited: 11/28/2010 10:43:49 PM by mid70sbobcat

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RE: We'd best stop discussing basketball...

Posted: 11/28/2010 10:47:06 PM

mid70sbobcat wrote:

You really can't be that SLOW can you?

ER, YES, HE CAN BE AND IS THAT SLOW! HENCE HIS CONSTANT TIRADES ABOUT THE TEAM.

SECURITY!!!!!

JSF
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RE: We'd best stop discussing basketball...

Posted: 11/28/2010 10:47:35 PM

Ohio69 wrote:

Bobcat Dragon wrote:

Wow, I'm surprised you could post from your high horse. That wasn't the point at all. And you're right, I'm on this board after every single game just lighting into this team. I secretly hate the Bobcats, after all. Just look at all the criticism I heaped on the team after the Kansas game.

Yes, I do criticize players and coaches, but the point is that they shouldn't be listening to me or anyone else here. Our opinions mean nothing and they should be given that much weight. Don't give our conversations consideration they don't deserve. If there was a board where people were talking about the tennis team, I sure as heck would avoid it like the plague. What good could come of it?

On another subject, as far as fair-weather fans go, I would consider Graff, who says he's not interested unless we're one of the best teams of the country, to be a fair-weather fan. Yes, LOVE is pretty pessimistic, but he's still following and still interested win or lose. Pretty committed, I'd say.

Last Edited: 11/28/2010 10:53:08 PM by JSF

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Posted: 11/28/2010 11:00:12 PM

Bobcat Dragon wrote:

Yes, LOVE is pretty pessimistic, but he's still following and still interested win or lose. Pretty committed, I'd say.

Lots of alums follow the program(s) are interested in if we win or lose. But very, very few tear down the team and program. A true fan accepts the wins AND losses. Rather than rip the team after the Kansas game why not post "we got hammered, we need to play better tomorrow to beat Santa Clara". What value is there is posting that we're a mid-level NAIA program? Or a High School JV program? Those kinds of posts are NOT representative of a true Ohio fan; rather they suggest the rantings of an emotionally insecure person.

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Posted: 11/28/2010 11:03:27 PM

mid70sbobcat wrote:

Bobcat Dragon wrote:

Yes, LOVE is pretty pessimistic, but he's still following and still interested win or lose. Pretty committed, I'd say.

Those kinds of posts are NOT representative of a true Ohio fan; rather they suggest the rantings of an emotionally insecure person.

PAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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Posted: 11/28/2010 11:08:26 PM

I'm with Tunji on this one. I think Love completely overreated to the Kansas game due to the fact he is from there. I am not saying it was anything short of an awful game, but I did not head to the closest bridge and contemplate jumping off either. I think Love also felt the need to immediately post something nice the next day after reading his Kansas post a few times. I think the team was embarrassed and hurting a little after that game. What good does an internet tirade about the team, the coach and the Athletic Director do at that point in time? I get into the games, but I also have to put them into perspective.

I don't have a problem with players reading the message boards. We can't ask them to live in a bubble. If they are reading this site, then they will see how much all of us support them. A few take it too far at times with the doom and gloom reports. I really hope we do not get into a situation where we have a pissing contest between a fan and a current player. That does no good.

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RE: We'd best stop discussing basketball...

Posted: 11/28/2010 11:13:15 PM

mid70sbobcat wrote:

Bobcat Dragon wrote:

Yes, LOVE is pretty pessimistic, but he's still following and still interested win or lose. Pretty committed, I'd say.

So there are standards people have to meet in order to be a "true" fan? I'm not cool with that. The man overreacts to losses. The bigger the loss, the bigger the overreaction. Just something we need to realize and deal with.

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Posted: 11/28/2010 11:25:43 PM

To me this is a very interesting topic worth discussing. We as fans want to support our team in the best possible way, and hearing what the players have to say about it is relevant.

First, I agree with Dragon and Perimeter that players shouldn't read the forums. BUT...I understand where they're coming from. We all love our egos, and with it just being 1 click away it has to be hard to stay away. None of us have an entire message board of praises and critiques about us just floating out there, so we cannot relate to that sort of temptation.

Second, I like Tunji a lot, and I understand where he is coming from, but just as he thinks we should support the team, I think they should support the fans. LOVE drives 3 hours roundtrip to go to virtually every game despite having 2 one year old boys and a demanding job that makes him travel. He spends a lot of money on Ohio athletics, and spreads the word of the Bobcats like a Christian spreads the mesage of Jesus. You start shunning fans like that because he gets a little emotional after a bad loss and you're going to be HURTING for fan support. And I hope I don't have to remind anyone that without fan support, there is no program. It's the fan that won't show up to the game against Marshall because of the 57 point loss to Kansas that sucks and shouldn't be allowed to celebrate with the team...That's not LOVE. He'll be there

I have clients that moan and gripe all the time about fees, taking too long, personnel, or whatever. Every audit they come up with something new. But in the end, they not only keep coming back to us, but refer us new business. I'm sure glad I didn't tell them to screw off and lose their business. If I did, I'd be out of a job.

We absolutely need to treat our guys with respect, and try not to let our emotions get the best of us. I'm sure these guys have never gotten on whatever professional teams they root for...It is part of sports. What counts is continued support and sacrifice of your time, money, and energy for the program you love. Everything else is inconsequential.

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Posted: 11/28/2010 11:32:33 PM

Andrew Ruck wrote:

Fantastic post. I also understand the temptation of coming here as a player. I was listening to an interview one of the producers and writers of "The Office" gave. He was asked if he ever reads the Internet fan boards, and he admitted he did, saying, "If somebody told you there was as symposium about you going on behind that door, you'd peek your head in, wouldn't you?" That is why the coaches need to step in, I think. And maybe they have. I don't know. At the same time, it's good for us to keep in mind that you should assume the people you're writing about are going to be reading what you post.

One thing is for sure, the fan/player dynamic is changing in an unprecedented way.

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Posted: 11/28/2010 11:41:24 PM

Andrew Ruck wrote:

Yeah. Love is a fan. Is that why he called for a walk-out at Peden? LOL

What's next, a boycott of a game in the Convo?

You guys who support him would have been among those who drank the Kool-Aid from Jim Jones.

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Posted: 11/29/2010 12:01:17 AM

I came back over here after reading the Butler board.

Glad they dont have thin skins. If all of you want to see what a real basketball school does to it's athletes go to UK, IU or Kansas boards after they lose, especially if it is a blow out. I am pretty sure none of those kids read the boards just because they know those rabid fans are nucking futs. The kid at Butler lives just up the road in Kokomo and is one of the hardest workers I know. Probably has a lot in common with your Tunji, except that he would never put himself in the spot that Tunji (sp?) did. Both are walk ons and have great intelligence with less than stellar basketball abilities as compared to the athletes they perform with as peers. Still they bring energy and have a purpose.

Believe me when I say all boards go through the same pain when losses are unexpected. Welcome to the big time. With John Groce and the win at Georgetown last year folks get hoops blind real quick. I find it refreshing to see the Butler fanbase who have become a bit too smarty pants imagining themselves elite and above some "Programs" that have been in place for a long time being brought back to earth for a moment.

Last Edited: 11/29/2010 12:27:50 AM by tiptondevilcat

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Posted: 11/29/2010 1:03:15 AM

tiptondevilcat wrote:

Very good post. I was just about to post something about the UMD message board. It is amazing how much players get ripped over there and how EVERY recruit is the one that will get them back to the National Championship. Then when some of those guys are just quality rotation players, instead of All-ACC type players, they bash them (until they hit a game winning shot like Cliff Tucker last year).

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RE: We'd best stop discussing basketball...

Posted: 11/29/2010 1:14:35 AM

Bobcat Dragon wrote:

On another subject, as far as fair-weather fans go, I would consider Graff, who says he's not interested unless we're one of the best teams of the country, to be a fair-weather fan. Yes, LOVE is pretty pessimistic, but he's still following and still interested win or lose. Pretty committed, I'd say.

Interesting. I watch/listen to or at least catch the box score of every game every year. Win or lose. Hell, I still keep track of player stats. Something I started doing way back in the Gary Trent days. I read this forum weekly if not daily. Just because I don't post much, and the first time I felt the need to post this year was after the Kansas debacle where I shared my honest view of that game and this program, apparently makes me a fair-weather fan. *shrugs* Interesting.

Back on topic. I agree with the Love 100% about his initial post-game reaction. He had every right to be upset and voice his opinion about that D3-esque performance we put on the court against Kansas. I'm glad the guys followed that up by taking a small step forward against Santa Clara. Not great by any stretch, but a good start. Much better than the alternative. Need to keep moving forward. Speaking for myself, I only get so pissed off because I actually care. I'd enjoy seeing OU considered a perennial top 40 team in the country because I think it could actually happen some day.

That said, I generally think it's a horrible idea for players to be reading a message board. I also generally think it's a horrible idea for players to tweet/facebook. I also generally think it's a horrible idea for members of a message board to read and post said social media outlets. It can lead to absolutely nothing good. But, since in this case all of the above bad ideas apparently occurred, my reaction is this: Get over it. If you're going to read a message board full of fans who care enough to watch/listen/attend games and ALSO spend their free time posting about the team on a message board, then you better put on your big boy pants when you CHOOSE to read it. Don't enjoy reading that people thought your performance was shall we say "sub-par"? Two easy solutions. Don't play so sub-par, or don't read the message board. Pretty easy.

If I have a day as bad as our team had against Kansas at MY job? Pretty sure my boss doesn't give me a pat on the back and a "it'll be alright Wes. They were a really tough client/person. Keep your head up and we'll try and get em next time" speech. Pretty sure I get my behind lit up with the threat of getting canned if it continues. THAT'S the real world. But unfortunately the LOVE is right, we live in a world of "everybody gets a trophy". Going to be a rude post-basketball awakening for some of these athletes I think.

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Posted: 11/29/2010 1:40:29 AM

Can't read your mind, so when you say things like, "Call me when we're a real D-I team," you give the impression you're only interested when the team is on top.

And you realize these guys aren't paid, right? They're not in a job. That's a terrible analogy. Even if they were professional players, their situation and yours are completely different. And you want to threaten to kick players off the team for a bad performance? See how far that gets you.

I'm not going to say anything else on this matter.

Last Edited: 11/29/2010 3:21:22 AM by JSF

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Posted: 11/29/2010 1:52:43 AM

There is a difference between a major program and an irrelevant program. At a major program like Ohio the boards will have lots of chatter and discussion after big games. I'm sure an irrelvant program like EMU had crickets on their board after their 71-3 defeat on Friday. Ohio is a major program and fans will have a spirited discussion. Great thing about our board is the diverse opinions and those that aren't afraid to speak their mind. Yes we are a bit manic or bi-polar on here but its because we all care so much about our beloved OHIO teams. I'd have that over the crickets at EMU.

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Posted: 11/29/2010 8:51:58 AM

Bobcat Love wrote:

While I appreciate the passion of Love, I find this statement ("I won't lower myself to respond to a student-athlete on this...") disturbing. Such a statement is traditionally reserved for a group you have little respect for in general. I'm sure it was not meant that way, but if I were Tunji reading the response, it would certainly be interpreted as a slight and further exasperates the situation/issue.

Last Edited: 11/29/2010 4:58:59 PM by cc-cat

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