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Topic: MJ - Lebron video - just thought folks would like it

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MJ - Lebron video - just thought folks would like it

Posted: 12/2/2010 10:28:40 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEVCjUG1Mww

Jordan says he had nothing to do with it.

Last Edited: 12/2/2010 10:32:35 PM by cc-cat

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RE: MJ - Lebron video - just thought folks would like it

Posted: 12/2/2010 10:51:05 PM

Game Five He Quit.

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RE: MJ - Lebron video - just thought folks would like it

Posted: 12/3/2010 2:14:43 AM

I hate people comparing Lebron to MJ. Not even close. I really don't care who Lebron plays for, but it really shows who he really is when he has to join forces with 2 of the league's best to even hope to win an NBA Championship. Jordan would never do that. He wanted to beat the best and if he wasn't best, he would work harder to be the best. Major difference is Jordan never quit. You can give me a list of NBA Hall of Famers or your Kobe Bryants, who you can try and argue that had more talent than Jordan, but nobody and I mean NOBODY had the heart and the fight that Jordan brought to the game. Nobody has ever seen such a freak athlete like Lebron, but he is no Michael Jordan and never will be.

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RE: MJ - Lebron video - just thought folks would like it

Posted: 12/3/2010 8:15:47 AM

Don't think I've rooted for the Cavs like I did last night since they played in Richfield. All the booing reminded me of the last time I was at the Q about 13 months ago and the 20,000 in attendance were yelling "BRUUUUUUUUUUUCE."

What transpired this summer will force me to root for the Lakers and Kobe (something once thought impossible) if they meet the Heat in the finals (not a given). And I've rooted against the Lakers against any opponent since the 1970s.

Last Edited: 12/3/2010 8:16:15 AM by bobcatsquared

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RE: MJ - Lebron video - just thought folks would like it

Posted: 12/3/2010 8:39:00 AM

From last night:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP6EhpDuhzY

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RE: MJ - Lebron video - just thought folks would like it

Posted: 12/3/2010 9:35:00 AM

I loved the "Akron hates you" chant.

That's the first time I've ever liked anything about Akron and it was a really weird feeling.

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RE: MJ - Lebron video - just thought folks would like it

Posted: 12/3/2010 10:05:42 AM

Nothing makes me angrier about the NBA talking heads as when they compare LBJ to MJ.

LBJ's biggest problem is that he doesn't understand that to be great....a legend....in today's sports' climate, you need to understand that people will hate you. MJ understood this very clearly. The problem is LBJ abandoned his city when he decided to wear #23 in high school, wear a Yankee hat, cheer for the Dallas Cowboys. It is easy to cheer for a legendary winner, but what he never got out of that exchange was that all of those favorites, while adored by millions, were hated by the rest. However, all of them learned to accept this and channel this in one form or another into more winning.

I love the Bulls, but I believe MJ is a big giant jerk. However, the Bulls won 6 championships because of this one thing. You couldn't out compete MJ. You hating MJ only made him more apt to try harder.

LBJ is a grinning, self-congratulatory, never-been-challenged before, darling. He was challenged yesterday through the hate of some whiny Cleveland fans. I wish he had the balls to admit that the owner and fans had challenged him and he had to deliver. He still wants Cavalier fans (and other NBA fans) to know that "he gets their anger". Screw that. No you don't and you shouldn't try to pretend. Beyond this, you need to embrace this hatred...MJ did and this is why he was able to shoot Ehlo's eyes out over and over and over.

This is why LBJ isn't...or won't be MJ. Jordan learned to channel his hatred of Detroit and their nonsense and then later the NY Knicks, and then the Utah Jazz. It was MJ's job to remind Pat Ewing, Karl Malone, and John Stockton that "You're a nice guy, but nice guys lose to me."

In the end, LBJ should just shut up about "understanding" Cleveland's rage. You abandon your hometown the minute you wore #23 in high school because you loved MJ, In fact, I bet you thought all the ways he pestered the Cavaliers was cool.

The simple fact is he should revel in the idea that he alone could cause so much anger in one place. He should remember it and channel it and shut up about understanding and cracking grins.

The only guy who has this message completely understood is Kobe and this is why Kobe and the Lakers will beat the Heat in May/June 2011. Kobe understands that while LBJ is doing stuff in Miami, Kobe understands how to win and be the hated scourge at the same time. Once LBJ can do this, he'll wear rings and be a legend.

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RE: MJ - Lebron video - just thought folks would like it

Posted: 12/3/2010 11:06:26 AM

When it comes down to it, everyone makes the claim that "well MJ didn't have to join forces with two superstars to win." He won back-to-back-to-back titles twice:

First three - Scottie Pippen (HOF), B.J. Armstrong, Horace Grant, John Paxson
Second three - Scottie Pippen, Dennis Rodman, Steve Kerr, Toni Kukoc, Ron Harper

In a heart beat I would trade Chris Bosh for a Dennis Rodman type on this Heat team. The Heat's problem is rebounding and banging down low. With Dennis Rodman (of the MJ era) this team would be unstoppable. Instead they have a weak 4/5 in Chris Bosh. Whether it was planned or not, to say the MJ won those titles by himself is ignorant. Yes he took games over, but he would not have been able to do that had he really been by himself.

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RE: MJ - Lebron video - just thought folks would like it

Posted: 12/3/2010 11:22:50 AM

bigbobcat wrote:

Exactly. Plus MJ was never in the position that LBJ found himself in. Specifically, Jordan had already won a championship in Chicago by the time he hit free agency. Had he not, who is to say that he wouldn't have gone elsewhere in pursuit of the ring, in search of teammates he thought could put him over the top. MJ now says he never would have done it, but such after the fact pronouncements ring hollow.

Last Edited: 12/3/2010 11:36:50 AM by Flomo-genized

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RE: MJ - Lebron video - just thought folks would like it

Posted: 12/3/2010 11:45:55 AM

While I will agree that MJ couldn't have won without Scottie and Dennis, et al; the facts are the team assembled around MJ needed him to invigorate practices and instill a season of passions. Scottie, while a HOF player, is living off a bit of revisionist history at times. He was a great player, but questions always linger about Scottie.

The two years MJ played baseball were still successful for the Bulls, but the seasons were marked with in-fighting (most dramatically, the game 6 win over the Knicks in the Conf. Finals that saw Scottie pout on the bench because the last second play was designed for Toni Kukoc...which was a 35 footer at the buzzer), lack of leadership, and failure to find a consistent go-to player down the stretch. MJ returned and while his first half year back saw them lose to the Orlando Magic, the beginning of the second three peat was strictly an MJ show.

However, Scottie found himself in a role of maturity because of the previous two seasons of having to be the guy (no matter how much he wanted it, but not being successful in the role...I know he was successful, but he always greeted this role with such disdain). Scottie was a Top 100 player of all time and a HOFer, and while I agree with the HOF recognition, I think a lot of fans questioned the top 100 player recognition because when it was HIS team; he pouted and failed.

The bottomline is that I would never argue MJ won 6 titles by himself. He needed 3 big men (Wennington, Cartwright, and Perdue) to foul the crap out of Ewing, O'Neal, etc to keep them in the ball games they needed to win. He needed Rodman to counter Malone. He needed Kerr and Paxon to be open on the wing. He needed Hodges to be a threat in the corner. He needed Stacey King to sit on the bench....

However, all those guys needed MJ to practice hard and give full effort for every game. Let's be honest. Dennis Rodman came to the Bulls after the whole incident in San Antonio and we heard how David Robinson disapproved of his behavior on and off the court and we were concerned with his distractions when he came to the Bulls. Rodman was given the perfectly clear choice of playing hard or getting out of the way. When push came to shove, Rodman understood that you don't mess with MJ and his pursuits of championships. No other player on that team could have controlled Rodman like MJ did.

NOTE: I don't know if I agree with the sentiment that Rodman>Bosh. Rodman didn't score a lick and was basically a scoreless 4 in the paint. What he gave the Bulls was an extra defender. If the Heat have 10 issues to contend with right now, number 1 is low post defense. This is what Rodman brought. However, he's not a substitute for Chris Bosh. In fact, I think Chris Bosh takes a lot of heat for this team right now when he could be used a heck of a lot more effectively for the Heat (Screen-Rolls, etc).

Last Edited: 12/3/2010 11:49:55 AM by medler

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RE: MJ - Lebron video - just thought folks would like it

Posted: 12/3/2010 12:12:49 PM

I have trouble with Lebron now because of HOW he left. Not that he left.

But, this is all Dan Gilbert's fault. He had Lebron James. For 7 seaons. Surrounded him with absolute crap.

Last year was a decent mix of players. But, would have been miraculous for that group to beat the Celtics and the Lakers.

Gilbert whiffed.

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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RE: MJ - Lebron video - just thought folks would like it

Posted: 12/3/2010 5:12:19 PM

medler, LeBron has made it clear Cleveland is not his hometown. A lot of Akronites get upset when someone tries to say Cleveland is their home, and it's become obvious he doesn't like C-town. Maybe he never did.

And honestly, being less like Jordan is a good thing. Sure, he won 6 rings, but that doesn't compensate for his near-sociopathic tendencies and that he's generally a terrible person. LeBron might be vilified right now, but he's not a bad person by any stretch.

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RE: MJ - Lebron video - just thought folks would like it

Posted: 12/3/2010 7:58:35 PM

I saw a documentary about LeBron and his friends from SMSV and how they were best of friends and played together since they were born and yadda yadda yadda. I got the impression Bron never wanted to the man, he just wants to be one of the guys. Jordan and Kobe, WANT to be the man, and part of the fall out from that is that they appear to be not very nice people in real life. But on the court, its that killer instinct that matters.

Sure Jordan had Pippen and Co. but last year the Cavs were the best team in the league. How much better of a supporting cast do you need?

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RE: MJ - Lebron video - just thought folks would like it

Posted: 12/3/2010 8:18:36 PM

LeBron has never stated a desire to be the best basketball player. He wants to be loved and a huge celebrity. I wonder sometimes if maybe we're wrong for criticizing a person for not trying to be something he doesn't want to be.

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RE: MJ - Lebron video - just thought folks would like it

Posted: 12/3/2010 8:22:29 PM

The world is filled with "nice" people. However, I'm not dropping $100+ for a ticket to see a nice guy give it a shot. I want a friggin' championship for my cash.

Winning=the point.

I don't change my avatar to honor the Stanley Cup Runner-up...

Last Edited: 12/3/2010 8:23:20 PM by medler

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RE: MJ - Lebron video - just thought folks would like it

Posted: 12/3/2010 11:02:05 PM

I don't subscribe to that theory. That's what gets rapists idolized.

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RE: MJ - Lebron video - just thought folks would like it

Posted: 12/4/2010 12:28:25 AM

I'm no basketball historian, but in my book LBJ is not in MJ league. In talent yes. But LBJ doesn't have the intangibles of passion and a killer instinct. Yes, MJ had a nice supporting cast and all championship teams do. But MJ was the key that triggered all these guys. He made the guys around him who they were and without him, they would have zero championships. I can't say the same for LBJ. Miami may have just as good of a chance of winning a championship if LBJ was replaced by a handful of other NBA top tier players. On the other hand, I think Chicago only wins with MJ providing the power. LBJ doesn't have the intangibles that MJ had.

If I was building a team and had a choice between MJ and LBJ, I wouldn't have to think twice about who I'd want if a championship was my main goal.

One thing I would say though in LBJ's defense, Chicago (minus MJ) would easily have defeated last years Cleveland team (minus LBJ).

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Posted: 12/4/2010 2:32:19 AM

This thread is pointless as Miami is, at best, the third best team in the east, and that's only if they turn it around.

Miami will make the playoff's sure...but there's no way they make it past Boston or Chicago.

GIlbert surrounded LBJ with the players LBJ wanted to be surrounded with. I don't think Mike Brown was the right coach, but the team was a good team...LBJ wasn't winning 60 something games a season all on his lonesome.

Oh, and Chris Bosh is horrible. It makes me lol everytime I think about the fact that he has a max contract.

Last Edited: 12/4/2010 2:33:20 AM by OrlandoCat

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RE: MJ - Lebron video - just thought folks would like it

Posted: 12/4/2010 9:53:42 AM

Bobcat Dragon wrote:

I don't subscribe to that theory. That's what gets rapists idolized.

RED HERRING!

We're talking sports...c'mon!

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RE: MJ - Lebron video - just thought folks would like it

Posted: 12/4/2010 11:01:45 AM

medler wrote:

Bobcat Dragon wrote:

I don't subscribe to that theory. That's what gets rapists idolized.

RED HERRING!

We're talking sports...c'mon!

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RE: MJ - Lebron video - just thought folks would like it

Posted: 12/4/2010 11:58:30 AM

Game Five He Quit.

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RE: MJ - Lebron video - just thought folks would like it

Posted: 12/4/2010 12:22:16 PM

perimeterpost wrote:

Sure Jordan had Pippen and Co. but last year the Cavs were the best team in the league. How much better of a supporting cast do you need?

This.

I remember at the beginning of the season last year when everyone on ESPN and other media outlets were saying that Lebron finally had the type of talent around him that he needed to win a championship. I didnt buy the "finally" part because all they added was an aging Shaq.

Then when the playoffs were going on and the Cavs were struggling, it was back to, "well, he doesnt have ANYONE on the team to help him." I'm sorry, but he had 2 all-star caliber players in Williams and Jamison. Now people can argue that Jamison was terrible on defense but that was not something new (coming from a Wizards fan). He also had 2 7-footers who, while near the end of their career, were still able to help out on the boards and add some scoring to the nix. He also had budding players in Hickson (not sure why he didnt see more action in the playoffs) and Gibson (ditto). Add in Varejao, who plays good post defense and rebounds.

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RE: MJ - Lebron video - just thought folks would like it

Posted: 12/4/2010 6:54:44 PM

medler wrote:

Bobcat Dragon wrote:

I don't subscribe to that theory. That's what gets rapists idolized.

RED HERRING!

We're talking sports...c'mon!

It's not a red herring, it's the point. If all we care about is what they do on the field/court/rink, that's a problem, and it enables those people.

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