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The decent: - Devaughn Washington.  37 minutes and a double-double, but he's just not playing as strong inside as he used to.  I don't know if he's afraid to miss or hesitant to what, but he should be asserting himself in the paint and he's not.  We need him to. - We're still, amazingly, 63rd in RPI. The bad: - The defensive collapse leading to a 18-0 run.  We all know this.  I still don't know what happened.  I will guess we had a lot of open shots rim out that normally go down and that got us down mentally.  Poor DJ couldn't buy a basket. - Our response to the IUPUI press.  We were scared of it.  Several times we flirted with a 10 second violation and it completely disrupted our offense, resulting in bad possessions. - 24.6% turnover rate, especially when you only force turnovers 15.1% of the time. - The inside-out game.  The ball would go inside and not come back out.  Our forwards are bound and determined to shoot the ball whenever they get it.  IUPUI figured this out and started collapsing as soon as a ball came into the key.  I can remember Devaughn passing out one (and it was kind of a weird slingshot pass), and it found a wide-open Nick in the corner.  I don't think I need to explain the benefits of our bigs passing.  This is, I think, the biggest problem in our offense right now. - Off-ball movement.  Our coaches spent most of the second half alternately begging and demanding people move.  Again,  I don't think I need to explain why this is a problem. "Loyalty to a hometown or city is fleeting and interchangeable, but college is a stamp of identity."- Kyle Whelliston, One Beautiful Season. My blog about depression and mental illness: https://bit.ly/3buGXH8 Back to Top Ted Thompson Administrator Member Since: 11/11/2004 Location: MAC Play Post Count: 7,723 Status: Offline     RE: Good and Bad    Posted: 12/13/2010 8:21:42 AM  Bobcat Dragon wrote: - We're still, amazingly, 63rd in RPI. I see Ohio at 115 in the RPI. Follow Ohio Football recruiting on the BobcatAttack.com football recruiting database. Back to Top Ohio69 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,062 Status: Offline     RE: Good and Bad    Posted: 12/13/2010 8:44:49 AM  Not sure anyone can sum it up better than Dragon just did. So many missed shots during that late run by IUPUI.  So many.  And most were good looks.  Uhg. Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?..... Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,365 Status: Offline     RE: Good and Bad    Posted: 12/13/2010 9:08:01 AM  The team in general, and DJ in particular, doesn't respond well to presses.  If there's one drawback to DJ, that's it.  Every time DJ has been neutralized, it seems it's because of a press.  That's what TN did in the NCAA last year -- they had somebody in his face all the time.  I didn't see yesterday's game, so I don't if that's what happened, but it's something the opposition is looking at, I'm sure.  It's gotta be something Groce needs to work on, not just with DJ but with everybody. Among the good, it was great to see Freeman get his stroke back.  I was concerned that maybe he was still feeling the effects of the concussion, especially since he played only five minutes against IL St. the other night. We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top anorris General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Location: Bristol, CT Post Count: 2,262 Status: Offline     RE: Good and Bad    Posted: 12/13/2010 9:54:42 AM  Ted Thompson wrote: Bobcat Dragon wrote: - We're still, amazingly, 63rd in RPI. I see Ohio at 115 in the RPI. Looking at my two typical sources for RPI, I'm guessing Dragon is looking at bbstate, which appears to mirror realtimerpi.com, and Ted at udpride.com.  Unfortunately, realtimerpi (which had us 63) updates only daily, and it doesn't happen until as late as 1pm Eastern some days -- so it doesn't include yesterday's games yet.  UDPride has updated. I was also really happy with Reggie yesterday -- he looked like he was playing with some confidence inside.  Hope he can keep it up! Last Edited: 12/13/2010 9:55:42 AM by anorris Back to Top JSF General User Member Since: 1/29/2005 Location: Houston, TX Post Count: 6,554 Status: Offline     RE: Good and Bad    Posted: 12/13/2010 9:54:42 AM  You're right, Pataskala.  It might take time, especially if DJ is inexperienced against the press (and I think he is), but I have confidence he'll figure it out. Last Edited: 12/13/2010 9:55:18 AM by JSF "Loyalty to a hometown or city is fleeting and interchangeable, but college is a stamp of identity."- Kyle Whelliston, One Beautiful Season. My blog about depression and mental illness: https://bit.ly/3buGXH8 Back to Top John C. Wanamaker General User Member Since: 1/2/2005 Post Count: 1,103 Status: Offline     RE: Good and Bad    Posted: 12/13/2010 10:01:35 AM  IUPUI did a great job on the press of once DJ gave the ball up they kept him from getting it back.  As I said earlier this team has to find another scoring and distribution option because you Point Guard doing it all is a bad thing.  "Half the money I spend on advertising is wasted; the trouble is I don't know which half." Back to Top giacomo General User Member Since: 11/20/2007 Post Count: 2,734 Status: Offline     RE: Good and Bad    Posted: 12/13/2010 10:42:12 AM  I didn't see the game, but to have them score 16 consecutive points from the 8 minute mark until the 2 minute mark is very dissapointing, especially at home. I'll say it again, a good team wins that game. We are not yet a good team. Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: Good and Bad    Posted: 12/13/2010 12:57:50 PM  John C. Wanamaker wrote: IUPUI did a great job on the press of once DJ gave the ball up they kept him from getting it back.  As I said earlier this team has to find another scoring and distribution option because you Point Guard doing it all is a bad thing.  Agreed. With so much focus paid to DJ we need someone to take that load off of his shoulders. The obvious choice is Kellogg but it may take some time for him to be comfortable in that role. As heartbreaking as the loss was yesterday there were still some very encouraging things that were on display yesterday. Dragon covered most of them.  It was great seeing Keely come out of his funk. That was easily his best overall game IMO. Back to Top Jeff McKinney Moderator Member Since: 11/12/2004 Post Count: 6,155 Status: Offline     RE: Good and Bad    Posted: 12/13/2010 2:12:39 PM  Good post by the Dragon.  Back to Top Casper71 General User Member Since: 12/1/2006 Post Count: 3,090 Status: Offline     RE: Good and Bad    Posted: 12/13/2010 2:14:43 PM  Didn't see or hear this game.  Any time outs caused during the opponents run?  Any set play called after to "get a good shot"? Back to Top bobcat28 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: United States Post Count: 808 Status: Offline     RE: Good and Bad    Posted: 12/13/2010 2:45:01 PM  Bobcat Dragon wrote: A game we all want to forget for sure.  The mood around the team after the game was pretty bad.  They just don't seem happy out there.  I think some soul searching is in the near future.   Still, there were some bright spots: The good: - Reggie Keely.  That may have been his best game so far.  Showed poise inside.  Got the ball and didn't hesitate, took it strong to the hole.  Stepped out and hit a couple mid-range jumpers, played some good defense and did work on the glass.  Really, just a very good performance and I hope this is indicative of things to come. - Defensive rebounding.  The Jaguars are not a good rebounding team, but I choose to look at it positively.  We got 81.3% of possible d-rebounds, by far our best performance of the year.  Two or three guys under the rim on most shots, usually the closest guy got the ball.  It was nice to see. - Ball movement from the 1-3 positions.  The guards and Tommy did a good job keeping the ball moving, finding open men for three (we missed a lot of good looks yesterday), and getting the ball into the post. - Defense for the first 35 minutes or so.  Until we went up 10, I was really happy with our defense.  Rotations were good, gave up few good looks, and the Jags took a large number of contested jumpers. - Tommy Freeman.  Led the team with 17 points, chipped in 3 assists and 2 steals.  Looked a lot better out there and he's ready to be his normal self soon. The decent: - Devaughn Washington.  37 minutes and a double-double, but he's just not playing as strong inside as he used to.  I don't know if he's afraid to miss or hesitant to what, but he should be asserting himself in the paint and he's not.  We need him to. - We're still, amazingly, 63rd in RPI. The bad: - The defensive collapse leading to a 18-0 run.  We all know this.  I still don't know what happened.  I will guess we had a lot of open shots rim out that normally go down and that got us down mentally.  Poor DJ couldn't buy a basket. - Our response to the IUPUI press.  We were scared of it.  Several times we flirted with a 10 second violation and it completely disrupted our offense, resulting in bad possessions. - 24.6% turnover rate, especially when you only force turnovers 15.1% of the time. - The inside-out game.  The ball would go inside and not come back out.  Our forwards are bound and determined to shoot the ball whenever they get it.  IUPUI figured this out and started collapsing as soon as a ball came into the key.  I can remember Devaughn passing out one (and it was kind of a weird slingshot pass), and it found a wide-open Nick in the corner.  I don't think I need to explain the benefits of our bigs passing.  This is, I think, the biggest problem in our offense right now. - Off-ball movement.  Our coaches spent most of the second half alternately begging and demanding people move.  Again,  I don't think I need to explain why this is a problem. You forgot to give credit to the HVAC team. Another solid performance from them yesterday. Back to Top Jeff McKinney Moderator Member Since: 11/12/2004 Post Count: 6,155 Status: Offline     RE: Good and Bad    Posted: 12/13/2010 2:51:52 PM  Casper71 wrote: Didn't see or hear this game.  Any time outs caused during the opponents run?  Any set play called after to "get a good shot"? Ohio got a number of "good shots" during IUPUI's 18-0 run.  We just were not making them.  However, it possibly could have helped to call a strategic time out.  We'll never know now.  Back to Top Ted Thompson Administrator Member Since: 11/11/2004 Location: MAC Play Post Count: 7,723 Status: Offline     RE: Good and Bad    Posted: 12/13/2010 3:00:44 PM  Casper71 wrote: Didn't see or hear this game.  Any time outs caused during the opponents run?  Any set play called after to "get a good shot"? I looked at the play-by-play. There were two media timeouts and one team timeout during the run. GOOD! LAYUP by WASHINGTON, De. [PNT]            08:25  49-39  H 10 ASSIST by Freeman, Tommy                                       08:25                                                                                            08:09  49-41  H 8  GOOD! LAYUP by SIAKAM, Christian [PNT]                                                                                            08:09              ASSIST by ASHWORTH, John FOUL by Keely, Reggie (P3T4)                                    08:09  49-42  H 7  GOOD! FT SHOT by SIAKAM, Christian SUB IN : Kellogg, Nick                                                   08:09              SUB IN : GIBBS, Donovan SUB IN : Baltic, Ivo                                                          08:09                                                                                            07:48              FOUL by YOUNG, Alex (P3T7) TIMEOUT MEDIA                                                             07:48 MISSED FT SHOT by Freeman, Tommy                    07:48 REBOUND (OFF) by Baltic, Ivo                                    07:48 SUB IN : WASHINGTON, De.                                       07:48              SUB OUT: GIBBS, Donovan SUB OUT: Kellogg, Nick                                               07:48              SUB OUT: SIAKAM, Christian SUB OUT: Baltic, Ivo                                                      07:48                                                                                            07:43              SUB IN : PATTON, Mitchell MISSED JUMPER by Cooper, D.J.                              07:36              REBOUND (DEF) by ASHWORTH, John                                                                                            07:24  49-45  H 4  GOOD! 3 PTR by NOBLES, Leroy                                                                                            07:24              ASSIST by ASHWORTH, John MISSED 3 PTR by Freeman, Tommy                         07:02              REBOUND (DEF) by YOUNG, Alex                                                                                            06:38              MISSED LAYUP by PATTON, Mitchell                                                                                            06:38              REBOUND (OFF) by GIBBS, Donovan                                                                                            06:33  49-47  H 2  GOOD! TIP-IN by GIBBS, Donovan [PNT] MISSED 3 PTR by Cooper, D.J.                                   06:26 REBOUND (OFF) by WASHINGTON, De.                  06:26 MISSED LAYUP by WASHINGTON, De.                     06:22              BLOCK by GIBBS, Donovan REBOUND (OFF) by (TEAM)                                        06:20 SUB IN : Johnson, Ricardo                                          06:20 TURNOVR by Cooper, D.J.                                          06:12                                                                                           06:12              SUB IN : SIAKAM, Christian                                                                                           06:12              SUB OUT: PATTON, Mitchell REBOUND (DEF) by WASHINGTON, De.                05:58              MISSED JUMPER by YOUNG, Alex MISSED 3 PTR by Johnson, Ricardo                        05:36              REBOUND (DEF) by SIAKAM, Christian REBOUND (DEF) by WASHINGTON, De.                05:21              MISSED 3 PTR by NOBLES, Leroy TURNOVR by Johnson, Ricardo                               04:59                                                                                          04:55              STEAL by NOBLES, Leroy                                                                                          04:51              TIMEOUT TEAM SUB IN : Sayles, Asown                                              04:51 SUB IN : Keely, Reggie                                               04:51 SUB OUT: WASHINGTON, De.                                  04:51                                                                                          04:37              TURNOVR by GIBBS, Donovan STEAL by Baltic, Ivo                                                      04:36 MISSED JUMPER by Baltic, Ivo                                  04:22 REBOUND (OFF) by Keely, Reggie                          04:22 SUB IN : Freeman, Tommy                                        04:19 SUB OUT: Johnson, Ricardo                                     04:19 MISSED LAYUP by Cooper, D.J.                                04:05              REBOUND (DEF) by SIAKAM, Christian                                                                                          03:56  49-50  V 1  GOOD! 3 PTR by NOBLES, Leroy                                                                                          03:56              ASSIST by YOUNG, Alex MISSED 3 PTR by Freeman, Tommy                        03:24 REBOUND (OFF) by Keely, Reggie                           03:24 MISSED JUMPER by Sayles, Asown                         03:17              REBOUND (DEF) by NOBLES, Leroy                                                                                           02:59  49-53  V 4  GOOD! 3 PTR by NOBLES, Leroy TIMEOUT TEAM                                                             02:56 SUB IN : Kellogg, Nick                                                  02:56              SUB OUT: SIAKAM, Christian SUB IN : WASHINGTON, De.                                      02:56 SUB OUT: Freeman, Tommy                                      02:56 SUB OUT: Sayles, Asown                                            02:56 SUB OUT: Keely, Reggie                                             02:56 MISSED JUMPER by Cooper, D.J.                             02:40              REBOUND (DEF) by SIAKAM, Christian FOUL by Cooper, D.J. (P2T5)                                     02:19                                                                                          02:05  49-55  V 6  GOOD! JUMPER by NOBLES, Leroy                                                                                          02:05              ASSIST by SIAKAM, Christian SUB IN : Cooper, D.J.                                                  02:05              SUB IN : NOBLES, Leroy SUB IN : Freeman, Tommy                                         02:05              SUB IN : YOUNG, Alex SUB IN : Keely, Reggie                                                02:05              SUB IN : GIBBS, Donovan                                                                                           02:05              SUB IN : ASHWORTH, John                                                                                           02:05              SUB IN : SIAKAM, Christian TIMEOUT MEDIA                                                            02:04 SUB OUT: WASHINGTON, De.                                   02:04              SUB OUT: NOBLES, Leroy SUB OUT: Cooper, D.J.                                                02:04              SUB OUT: YOUNG, Alex SUB OUT: Kellogg, Nick                                              02:04              SUB OUT: GIBBS, Donovan SUB OUT: Freeman, Tommy                                      02:04              SUB OUT: ASHWORTH, John SUB OUT: Keely, Reggie                                             02:04              SUB OUT: SIAKAM, Christian MISSED JUMPER by Keely, Reggie                           01:42              REBOUND (DEF) by YOUNG, Alex FOUL by Freeman, Tommy (P1T6)                            01:27  49-56  V 7  GOOD! FT SHOT by YOUNG, Alex                                                                                           01:27  49-57  V 8  GOOD! FT SHOT by YOUNG, Alex GOOD! FT SHOT by Cooper, D.J.                               01:20  50-57  V 7  FOUL by SIAKAM, Christian (P5T8) GOOD! FT SHOT by Cooper, D.J.                               01:20  51-57  V 6 Follow Ohio Football recruiting on the BobcatAttack.com football recruiting database. Back to Top Casper71 General User Member Since: 12/1/2006 Post Count: 3,090 Status: Offline     RE: Good and Bad    Posted: 12/13/2010 3:21:09 PM  A reading of the play by play sees a Media Time Out at 7:48 with OHIO up 49-42.  Then, a team Time Out called at 2:59 after a 3-pointer that culminated an 11-0 run making the score 53-49.  Out of the Time Out DJ missed a jumper and comitted a foul resulting in two more points...essentailly, GAME OVER at that point.  Must have been a miserable 5 minutes of basketball. Back to Top tiptondevilcat General User Member Since: 11/1/2010 Post Count: 65 Status: Offline     RE: Good and Bad    Posted: 12/13/2010 7:52:58 PM  Ted Thompson wrote: SUB OUT: Baltic, Ivo                                                      07:48                                                                                            This did not happen, I was watching the rotation of the bigs. Unless my screen is too small( 56") and I missed something this did not happen till he missed a hedge, Nobles buried a 3 from the top and Freeman and Sayles barked at him all the way back to the huddle under 2 mins. I believe he went to the end chair and was removed from the game with a towel around his neck for the duration. Could be he is the one unteachable? Love the archives, makes it easier to coach from 200+ miles away. 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