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Topic: EMU beats Div. II Ferris State before 485 fans

Topic: EMU beats Div. II Ferris State before 485 fans

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Jeff McKinney
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EMU beats Div. II Ferris State before 485 fans

Posted: 1/5/2011 11:58:28 AM

And the article called that an "announced crowd", which usually means there weren't actually that many people there.

I think EMU is still winless vs. Div. I clubs. They have had some close calls with decent teams, however.

This attendance is unacceptable for the MAC.

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RE: EMU beats Div. II Ferris State before 485 fans

Posted: 1/5/2011 12:15:21 PM

they need to schedule Bryant, as Bryant has two wins, one over a DI opponent (Iona) then they had a real slugfest with Oberlin College to raise the record to 2-12

Last Edited: 1/5/2011 12:17:40 PM by John C. Wanamaker

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RE: EMU beats Div. II Ferris State before 485 fans

Posted: 1/5/2011 12:49:17 PM

Jeff McKinney wrote:

That's just sad. Oakland stole EMU's lunch. And, it doesn't look like EMU is gonna ever get it back.

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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RE: EMU beats Div. II Ferris State before 485 fans

Posted: 1/5/2011 1:09:26 PM

Jeff McKinney wrote:

This school is unacceptable for the MAC, Jeff. People want the MAC to change but don't want to do anything to change the MAC. Get rid of EMU, you split football/basketball revenues one less way and you improve as a football/basketball conference.

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RE: EMU beats Div. II Ferris State before 485 fans

Posted: 1/5/2011 1:17:23 PM

It's a shame with that very nice basketball facility they have.

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RE: EMU beats Div. II Ferris State before 485 fans

Posted: 1/5/2011 2:04:03 PM

Jeff McKinney wrote:

It's a shame with that very nice basketball facility they have.

That's exactly what I thought when I saw this post!

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RE: EMU beats Div. II Ferris State before 485 fans

Posted: 1/5/2011 2:38:25 PM

There is hierarchy of attendance leaders in this league and we are always at the top

Several thousand for a weekend game, a few thousand for a weeknight game
Ohio

2K - 3.5K for any game, same people no matter the day
Akron
Kent State
Ball State
WMU

Rarely over 2K despite not being a terrible program
Miami
Buffalo (I wonder if interest will grow this season. They appear to be a contender and are in a highly-populated area)
Bowling Green

Bring a book because you won't be distracted
EMU
NIU

Incomplete, new arena has stimulated interest, even though the team sucks
CMU
Toledo (With the right coach, these guys should always be contenders)

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RE: EMU beats Div. II Ferris State before 485 fans

Posted: 1/5/2011 2:51:48 PM

shabamon wrote:

The thing that is sad is that those bottom four have nice arenas as far as I can tell.

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RE: EMU beats Div. II Ferris State before 485 fans

Posted: 1/5/2011 3:55:52 PM

Jeff McKinney wrote:

It's a shame with that very nice basketball facility they have.

Not to mention having one of the better MAC programs under Ben Braun. Starting to become a distant memory, but those teams of Earl Boykins, Derrick DIal, Grant Long, etc. . . were as good as get in this league.

Note: speaking of Boykins, he recently scored 22 in a MIlwaukee win on the road v. Lakers. An ageless wonder.

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RE: EMU beats Div. II Ferris State before 485 fans

Posted: 1/5/2011 5:21:18 PM

Any other conference would demand better from EMU...as the flagbearers of sub-mediocrity - the MAC lets this persist.

I agree with the Fan of the Game - This is unacceptable for MAC Standards. Steinbrecher needs to get off his ass and send these people a message that we won't tolerate it anymore.

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RE: EMU beats Div. II Ferris State before 485 fans

Posted: 1/5/2011 9:38:43 PM

So what do you do after you boot out EMU? Pick another to boot out and just goto 10 teams? Scout promising programs from "lesser" conferences? Just asking.

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RE: EMU beats Div. II Ferris State before 485 fans

Posted: 1/5/2011 10:38:12 PM

Andrew Ruck wrote:

So what do you do after you boot out EMU? Pick another to boot out and just goto 10 teams? Scout promising programs from "lesser" conferences? Just asking.

If the contract isn't signed, I throw UMASS over a barrel and tell them to bring men's ball or walk. Then I move BG to the west with natural rival Toledo.

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RE: EMU beats Div. II Ferris State before 485 fans

Posted: 1/6/2011 12:33:30 AM

I think the MAC needs new blood in hoops. Time to add Oakland and IUPUI to the west division and Cleveland State and Wright State to the east division. All 4 teams would boost MAC's average rpi.

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RE: EMU beats Div. II Ferris State before 485 fans

Posted: 1/6/2011 8:16:50 AM

I think you'd have an awfully hard time convincing Cleveland State or Wright State that they'd be better off in the MAC -- the HL is a much better place to be at this point. For Oakland and IUPUI it would seem to be a sideways move at best.

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RE: EMU beats Div. II Ferris State before 485 fans

Posted: 1/6/2011 4:58:58 PM

I remember the talk about kicking out EMU in the early 80's. It's always been there for obvious reasons. We played some games at their old field house in the late 70's where the teams and their staff outnumbered the fans. I'm not even kidding. Then, in about 82 or 83 I attended a football game there when Ohio visited. I was shocked to see a high school type stadium and less than 1000 people in attendance. The MAC threatened them with expulsion if they didn't upgrade their facilities. They did upgrade them and drew decently for awhile, but they are in the shadow of Michigan and can't get out. Picture our campus being less than 5 miles from OSU and you can figure it out.

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RE: EMU beats Div. II Ferris State before 485 fans

Posted: 1/6/2011 5:07:16 PM

I remember attending a game there in their old Field House during the Gary Trent years. It was the game where Jeff Boals messed up his knee and never played for Ohio again. The place was absolutely packed. I think Eastern drew pretty well in their old Field House at times during the Ben Braun era. But overall, they have not drawn well, and they seem to be in an incurable slump right now.

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RE: EMU beats Div. II Ferris State before 485 fans

Posted: 1/6/2011 5:33:48 PM

To beat a dead horse again, you need a smaller MAC not a bigger one. Too many struggling franchises and too many franchises in the dying/stagnating state of Ohio. BG and EMU are easy cuts. Take your pick between Akron and Kent State. Then you have the 4 quadrants of Ohio covered with Ohio, Miami, Toledo and Akron/Kent State. Then, maybe axe CMU to get down to 8 schools.

In a 1-bid conference, more fans can be hopeful for an NCAA bid. Plus, you split all revenues 8 ways instead of 12 and you don't have to host a money-losing MAC Championship game in football. A 7-game league football schedule could would also give teams the chance to schedule another money game. You could add Temple and UMASS (and Maybe Army and Navy to get back to 12) for football, I'm indifferent on that. You can try to force UMASS and Temple's hand on hoops but you won't win.

The MAC was ranked 16th in the Sagarin as of the end of play yesterday with a central mean of 70.92. Removing EMU (worst Sagarin in the MAC) and BG (4th-worst Sagarin in the MAC) would improve that to 72.57. That's good enough for 14th and within hailing distance of Horizon (11th at 74.87), Missouri Valley (12th at 74.13) and West Coast (13th at 73.73).

If you eliminated EMU, BG, Akron and CMU, the MAC central mean would be 72.85.

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RE: EMU beats Div. II Ferris State before 485 fans

Posted: 1/6/2011 7:51:09 PM

Ted Thompson wrote:

The MAC was ranked 16th in the Sagarin as of the end of play yesterday with a central mean of 70.92. Removing EMU (worst Sagarin in the MAC) and BG (4th-worst Sagarin in the MAC) would improve that to 72.57. That's good enough for 14th and within hailing distance of Horizon (11th at 74.87), Missouri Valley (12th at 74.13) and West Coast (13th at 73.73).

If you eliminated EMU, BG, Akron and CMU, the MAC central mean would be 72.85.

What you are basically saying though is even with the bottom 4 MAC programs removed the MAC is at best a marginal 2 bid conference. If you are looking to improve basketball I wouldn't start by cutting Akron one of the better MAC schools over the last decade and close to Quicken Loans arena. CMU is a MAC football power and is adding luxury lodges to its football stadium they would have to stay. BG has had a lot of success in MAC football and basketball over the years and it would be tough to justify letting them go. It would be nice to trade EMU for Illinios State and reduce the directional look of the league.

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RE: EMU beats Div. II Ferris State before 485 fans

Posted: 1/6/2011 8:06:51 PM

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To beat a dead horse again, you need a smaller MAC not a bigger one.

Exactly. When you have a clogged toilet, you don't add more turds and hope for the best. You gotta dislodge some to get things working again.

Whether it be collegiate sports or fast food, a Big MAC leads to clogged toilets...

McLean this conference.

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RE: EMU beats Div. II Ferris State before 485 fans

Posted: 1/6/2011 8:58:00 PM

I'm wondering if it would make sense for the A10 to explore adding some teams from the MAC to try and form a FBS football conference and Ohio trying to be part of that. With Temple already playing FBS ball and UMass, Charlotte looking to move up that would only require 5 more for an FBS league. The A10 could add Ohio, Buffalo, Kent State, Marshall and East Carolina to form a mid atlantic football conference. That would make the A10 a hybrid like the Big East especially if it could let a couple of its weaker schools go like St. Bonaventure and La Salle. Miami would be stuck in the MAC with BG and Ball State but quite honestly that is where they belong.

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RE: EMU beats Div. II Ferris State before 485 fans

Posted: 1/6/2011 9:30:03 PM

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Huh? The A-10 has no interest in FBS football. They would like to get rid of Fordham and St. Bonaventure or Duquesne. That would only happen if DePaul and Marquette ever leave/get pushed out of the Big East. It's a Philly league so LaSalle is safe.

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RE: EMU beats Div. II Ferris State before 485 fans

Posted: 1/6/2011 9:43:09 PM

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Ted Thompson wrote:

Since the NCAA Tourney expanded in 1975 to allow multiple teams from one conference, the MAC has earned two bids 6 times (1975, 1985, 1986, 1995, 1998, 1999). Based upon tourney seedings, the league may have earned a 2nd bid twice in the 2000's if Kent St. had lost the MAC Tourney. So, in the main, the MAC is a one bid conference. Why try to dilute the chances of that bid and the revenue it provides?

As for BG, they last appeared in the NCAA Tourney in 1968. They had a couple of nice years under Urban Meyer. I don't think another Urban Meyer is walking through that door anytime soon. This isn't the ACC where you can have two schools so close. People give a damn to a certain extent about Toledo, not BG.

You can argue about who to cut. You only need one out of Akron/Kent State. Kent St. has been historically bad in both sports but has had a good decade in hoops. Akron has definitely made a bigger investment. CMU helps in football but hurts in hoops. Same for NIU.

At the end of the day, I think it's too hard to be a high-performing mid-major conference with 12 teams. Too hard to get many of the pistons firing correctly. Especially when some of the pistons never fire (EMU and BG).

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RE: EMU beats Div. II Ferris State before 485 fans

Posted: 1/6/2011 11:34:07 PM

WMU would likely have earned an at-large in 2004, and CMU an extra bid in 2003 as well, had either tripped up late in the MAC tournament.

I agree that the MAC is too large, and that EMU contributes little, but beyond that one could make the case that we are among the dead weight schools. We've won only 1 MAC regular season basketball title in 25 years (and just 2 in the last 36 years), with zero football titles in the last 42 years. That is pretty weak, even if we have won the MAC tournament two more times during that stretch.

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RE: EMU beats Div. II Ferris State before 485 fans

Posted: 1/7/2011 7:38:40 AM

I can't imagine a MAC without CMU or BG.

And, to take a step back and remove the green tint, if we are to suggest that those two schools are not at the minimum standard for this conference, is Ohio at that same minimum standard.

I don't think an argument that Ohio brings you this particular quadrant of the state is bringing much to the table.

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RE: EMU beats Div. II Ferris State before 485 fans

Posted: 1/7/2011 8:26:31 AM

Going off long term results of the 2 major sports programs, there is no question Ohio would be in the discussion of which programs to get rid of. However, going off fan support, there is no question we are at the TOP of the list of programs to keep. And to think that is the case even despite our less than stellar results. Because of this, there is no way Ohio would be on the chopping block. The opposite is true for Miami (great results, terrible support).

For me, I would look at fan support and facilities or overall investment before I looked at results.

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