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UpSan Bobcat
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Distribution of minutes

Posted: 1/4/2011 7:37:08 AM

I've heard a lot of people complain about the minutes given to certain players, so I'm wondering how you would spread them out? There are 200 minutes total to give out, so who gets them?

Andrew Ruck
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RE: Distribution of minutes

Posted: 1/4/2011 7:54:46 AM

Cooper - 35
Freeman - 30
Washington - 30
Baltic - 30
Kellogg - 30
Hall - 25
Keely - 10
Others - 10

As you can see, I want to see a clearly defined top 5 and a clearly defined 6th man. I want more Tommy & Nick because they can shoot and don't make a ton of mistakes...Statements that can't be made about Keely/Rico/Sayles at this point. T.J. can make things happen at certain moments and is a good guy to take in and out depending on the flow of the game. I think we are a well conditioned team that can handle a smaller rotation for awhile, until others start to improve and play their way into the rotation.

It is a very fluid situation though, as players go thru slumps or improve a LOT throughout the year.

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RE: Distribution of minutes

Posted: 1/4/2011 7:58:41 AM

What you guys are discussing is in a "perfect" world, you have fouls, match-ups, hot hands are all factors in PT.

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RE: Distribution of minutes

Posted: 1/4/2011 8:04:29 AM

    Here's the Minute's break down after 14 Games.

Player                                         GP                       Minute per Game.

DJ Cooper                                   14                         35.2
Devaughn Washington               13                         27.2
Tommy Freeman                         13                         24.8
Ivo Baltic                                     14                         24.6
Nick Kellogg                                14                         22.6
Reggie Keely                              14                         21.1
TJ Hall                                         14                        19.6
Asown Sayles                             14                        17.4
Rico Johnson                              14                         12.6
David McKinley                              4                           8.3
Tunji Adedipe                              10                           5.5
Ethan Jacobs                                7                           2.6
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Last Edited: 1/4/2011 8:13:46 AM by BobcatGman

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RE: Distribution of minutes

Posted: 1/4/2011 10:36:44 AM

John C. Wanamaker wrote:

What you guys are discussing is in a "perfect" world, you have fouls, match-ups, hot hands are all factors in PT.

Thanks Captain Obvious...You're right...Shut it down. Sorry to bother you.

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RE: Distribution of minutes

Posted: 1/4/2011 11:16:17 AM

LOL....sensitive aren't we? Some of those team minutes are all so skewed by the blowouts and the few bad teams we played where others got minutes that they do not normally get. I was simply throwing out the variables to keep in mind. Sorry to offend you

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RE: Distribution of minutes

Posted: 1/4/2011 11:33:30 AM

No, not at all offended, just jabbing at you. We know there are other variables...I even mentioned that to a certain extent in my post (about it being very fluid). But for the purposes of discussion, it's fun to lay out the minutes in a perfect world as of right now and see how people vary.

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RE: Distribution of minutes

Posted: 1/4/2011 11:36:54 AM

How many shots should we miss in a game?

Should never have a turnover?

Should the other team ever score?

Andrew, my post was not directed at you, but a common statement....No where in this tread was there a mention of variables or a perfect situation. I was just providing a little food of thought.

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RE: Distribution of minutes

Posted: 1/4/2011 12:50:27 PM

Fair enough...but why not follow up that food for thought with playing along? Where are your minutes going?

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RE: Distribution of minutes

Posted: 1/4/2011 2:01:35 PM

My minutes are going no where because I am not the coach. I know that sounds strange to some, but I cannot even pretend to know better about this team than the coaches. Even when Tim was here, a coach I am on record for not liking, I never critized his gamemanship, I just did not like him as a person. I try very hard to look at coaching decisions objectively, wether they work or not. I always remind myself that this is there job and I do not want them second guessing me while at work. I do not look down on those who do enjoy the what if game, I just usually don't play.

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RE: Distribution of minutes

Posted: 1/4/2011 11:57:47 PM

Your aversion to '2nd guessing' is curious, Wanny, given that 2nd guessing is an integral part of what a coach must face in first rank college sports.

We have 9 guys playing double digit minutes on average. I think there's a consensus that we are athletic (if not skilled as far as basketball and offense go). So, it would seem to me that we have a club which should apply full court and 3/4 court pressure fairly often. Do we do that at all? If so, how much?

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RE: Distribution of minutes

Posted: 1/5/2011 9:52:04 AM

Monroe, let's look at the minutes of games that are actually close and quality games, I am not going to take the time to do this, but I am sure if you remove the blow out wins and losses what you will find is that the bench is shorter than what the raw numbers indicate. Example, I believe that David McKinley is averaging 8 min a game, however that figure is skewed and you can not expect to see him play 8 min.

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RE: Distribution of minutes

Posted: 1/5/2011 9:58:08 AM

John C. Wanamaker wrote:

It appears that the website quotes minutes in "games played" vs. minutes played per total games which is a more accurate indication of how many minutes folks are playing. If you add all of the minutes up it currently comes to 221.5 per game.

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RE: Distribution of minutes

Posted: 1/5/2011 10:06:43 AM

Alan Swank wrote:

John C. Wanamaker wrote:

Alan that is exactly my point, the "official" minutes that are posted above are in games played, and those games represent non-competitive games that skewed minutes. A more meaningful look would be to throw those games out (as well as the 4 OT's) and you will then see what the minutes look like when the game is competitive to get a true indication of the rotation and players that the coach feels comfortable with.

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RE: Distribution of minutes

Posted: 1/5/2011 2:43:11 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Funny you say this Monroe, because I was asking this question to my companions on the way back to Columbus Sunday night after the RMU game. Seems to me that we have a roster capable of more 3/4 court and 1/2 court pressure/trapping defense that we've seen in the past.

Now...If I were distributing minutes...I don't think I can say specifically how many minutes any one player should be playing, but this is what my rotation would look like.

Starting 5 depending on the size and/or approach of the opponent:

1 - DJ - I'm not sure he isn't capable of 40 mins a game half the time. Clearly, we go as he goes.
2- Kellogg - clearly needs to play more minutes than he has so far IMO
3- Freeman/Hall - TJ can't be taking that many jump shots if he is going to play starters minutes
4- Baltic - I think, our most consistent post player, not our best.
5- Washington - the guy we need to get more from the most. I think we need 15pts, 10 boards a game from him to succeed.

Bench:
1st off: Freeman/Hall - whoever doesn't start. Instant offense theory says to me Tommy should be the 6th man.
2nd: Sayles - can play the 3,4,5 in MAC games, and can handle the ball reasonably well.
3rd: Johnson - and when he's in, I feel like we should be trapping/pressing more to use his quickness. Also, why not have him on the floor on occasion with DJ, Nick, and Tommy, and go small to create matchup problems sometimes?
4th: Keeley - I'd give him 17-19 mins a game, mostly to keep Devo out of foul trouble. He needs to play stronger and play as big as he is.

This highlights the need, desperately, to have found a way to keep another player from Coleman, Kinney, AB, or Horne on the roster. That, and the Alex Kellogg hole is noticeable when foul trouble creeps in.

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RE: Distribution of minutes

Posted: 1/5/2011 3:01:54 PM

Wanny, you are probably a very nice person and we would probably have fun drinking several adult beverages together.

But your path of missing the main point by following the details too closely is not fun. You are too often missing the forest because you're looking at the trees. Here, 9 guys who I noted have all played in 13 or 14 games, so it says above. On the basis of playing in all or almost all of our games and averaging double-figure minutes I think it can be said that we have at least a 9 man rotation to this point this year.

Keep this concentration on minutia up I will have to begin charging you my hourly rate ($478 in 2010) for the re-orientation to correctness which I have to provide.

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RE: Distribution of minutes

Posted: 1/5/2011 6:09:38 PM

OCF still lobbying for Offutt and Smith to get playing time.....

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RE: Distribution of minutes

Posted: 1/6/2011 2:26:00 AM

Bobcat Love wrote:

OCF still lobbying for Offutt and Smith to get playing time.....

That is so humorous. Bet you waited all week for the right moment to post that.

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RE: Distribution of minutes

Posted: 1/7/2011 8:47:20 AM

I am still holding out for Ricardo to turn the corner at the 2 spot. He has done better with his defense. I think the only thing holding him back is his desire to do too much with his passing... He just has to make solid passes. Nothing fancy or risky. We have plenty of other experienced guys that can do that. The only thing flashy that I want to see from him is being aggressive going to the hoop. Solid D, solid passes, aggressive going to the hoop. He should be golden if he can do that.

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RE: Distribution of minutes

Posted: 1/8/2011 1:09:47 AM

I see a consensus building here - and I agree with this distribution

Last Edited: 1/8/2011 1:10:40 AM by RSBobcat

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